Do you believe that Jesus is YHVH?

[TrueBeliever37]

Why would God have to do that? Since angels are superior to humans in power and ability, what makes you think that The Almighty would need to become a mere human to set things right? What Kings have servants, and then do the servants' jobs themselves?

What does John say about who was manifested in the flesh?

John 1:14..." And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."

So John 1:1 is rendered..."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Since there was no capitals in Greek this verse has to be read according to Greek understanding.

From the Interlinear....
In en the beginning archē was eimi the ho Word logos, and kai the ho Word logos was eimi with pros · ho God theos, and kai the ho Word logos was eimi God theos."

So from John 1:1 we see that "the Word" was "with THE God" (ho theos) and that he was a god ("theos"), which in Greek means 'a divine mighty one'. There is then a distinction between THE Divine Mighty one" and "a divine mighty one".

Since the Greeks were polytheists, there was no word in their language that meant just one supreme god. All their gods had names and collectively were simply known as "the gods". When the Greek scriptures spoke of the "one God" of Israel, the Jews had stopped using his name, therefore the only way to distinguish him was to use the definite article (THE) as we would in distinguishing a person with the same name as a celebrity....if there was a guy named Brad Pitt e.g. we would say not "THE Brad Pitt".

Notice the word "ho" (meaning THE) and see that the first mention of God is "ho theos" but the second one has no definite article....this indicates that "the Word was with THE God" but the Word was a 'divine mighty one'...not THE God. So, it was the Word who became flesh...not THE God.

Jesus is called God's servant in the scriptures...so how can one equal part of God be a servant to another part of himself? That is nonsense!

THE God (YHWH) is immortal and cannot die, but Jesus was 100% mortal human and offered his life in exchange for what Adam had left as an inheritance for his children. All that was needed to redeem mankind was an equivalent life. Jesus volunteered to do the job. His Father resurrected him from the dead.

Deeje,

God is a Spirit. John 4:24
He didn't have flesh and blood to shed for man's sins. He looked out across the expanse of time, and saw that there would be no one able, to be that perfect sacrifice. He said my arm isn't shortened, I will bring salvation myself. The reason he did it, was to show us how much he loved us.

I want to point out, that I didn't say God turned himself into a man. I am saying he took on a fleshly body, the seed of Abraham. The body he veiled himself with, was a man's body.

What does Paul say about who was manifest in the flesh? He said, God was manifest in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16 So, do you believe he was God?

The Messiah said he would resurrect himself from the dead - remember, he said destroy this temple and in 3 days, I will raise it up. (It was YHWH dwelling in that body, that is why he could say that.)

As far as John 1:1 goes, the word Logos means - thought, idea, concept, plan. So this involves the plan of God, and the carrying out of this plan.

In the beginning was the plan, the plan was with God, the plan involved God, nothing was made without this plan in mind, when the time came for God to take on flesh, that part of the plan unfolded. Known unto God are all of his works from the beginning of the world. Acts 15:18
For instance in Revelation 13:8 , it says the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. This has to be in the mind of God - in his plan. Because we know it didn't literally happen until around 33 AD.

 

[Desert Snake]

Has nothing to do with whats hebrew.

YHWH, is Hebrew, it's the subject of this thread. It has everything to do with Hebrew, and how it matches the Greek text, or English text, and if you even use that word.

 

[Desert Snake]

Relates is a trinitarian word.

Actually it's 'a word.'.

To take the language hebrew etc out

There is one creator
One savior
One spirit

The creator is not a savior
The spirit came from the creator
The savior is an incarnation of the creators dictations of a prophet in OT.

Genesis 1:26
Actually, it is 'let us make man in our image'.

There is divinity in all three: that is the trinity (relationship between three people/things/ideas)

Has nothing to do with whats hebrew.

I'm not entirely sure what your argument is.
I never said that that name in Hebrew is the name that I would use, to define trinity concept with, or anything like that.

 

[Desert Snake]

God is a name, in the English Bible. It is also a name/title, and used with descriptors, can refer to other gods, ie the god zeus, or false gods.

Father,
Son
Spirit
God

 

[Desert Snake]

Cross language wise, you can make a textual argument, that YHWH refers to the Father, or you make a textual argument, that YHWH refers to the Son, or, make an argument, that it is the same being, altogether.

Hence with the common usage of YHWH, the question is, do you relate this to Jesus, etc.

 

[Clear]

Clear said : I have to agree with Deeje on the specific point that it is the Son/Messiah who was the actual creator of the earth/planets/etc. in early christian literature and he acted under the authority and direction of the Father in accomplishing this specific portion of God the Fathers' plan for mankind. (post #76)

Truebeliever37 said : “The problem is, you are disagreeing with YHWH. Isaiah 44:24 YHWH said that he maketh all things, and that he stretched forth the heavens alone, and spreadeth abroad the earth by himself. The reason the NT has verses showing that the one called the Messiah had created everything, is because he was YHWH manifest in the flesh. It was YHWH dwelling in that body.” (post 77)


Hi Truebeliever37 :

You misunderstand me : I DO agree with you that early Judeo-Christian literature represents Jehovah of the Old Testament as the Messiah of the New Testament. I was simply agreeing with Deejes specific point that in early Judeo-Christian tradition, the son (Jesus) was also viewed as the creator of the world under the authority and direction of his Father.

In Isaiah 44:24, the Masoretic uses a term biased towards "creating" (עשה), however, the Septuagint uses a term that means a “completion” of a thing (συντελων). Taken together, the terms better describe what neither alone reveals. The Father had a plan which the son completed.

This is the reason I liked Deejes’ point. It described this specific historical point in good clarity. I did not mean to approve of everything Deeje said, but I was trying to be specific in approval of a single concept.

Good Journey Truebeliever37.


Clear
σετζτωω

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Jhvh: Adonay
Jesus: Adonai/Greek

Jhvh: Kyriou
Jesus:: Kyriou.

Jhvh:Lord
Jesus:Lord

Psalms 110:1

 

[robocop (actually)]

Sorry but it would mean what it says. It didn't say they would confess he was one in purpose. It said they will confess he is YHWH.

Please explain a little better, why you are saying he had to pray to begin with, since you believe he is another person of the Godhead.

God said "Let us make man in our own image." It's hard for me to explain any better.

 

[Deeje]

He was the image of the invisible God, because that was the body that YHWH took on, in order to have flesh and blood to shed for man's sins.

As I have said before....God is the Supreme Being...he did not need to become a human to save mankind. He sent his faithful and willing servant to carry out that task. Jesus was a servant of his Father.

Acts 3:13-15..."The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him. 14 But ye denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted unto you, 15 and killed the Prince of life; whom God raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses."

You can see that God's "Servant Jesus", was "the Prince of Life" whom "God raised from the dead".
A servant cannot be his own Master. And a Prince is the son of a King.

Jesus did not raise himself from the dead because if he was God, he was immortal and could not die in the first place. God resurrected his servant, not himself.

Yes, he was the firstborn of every creature - the firstborn from the dead, as Colossians 1:18 explains.

The two designation mean entirely different things. The "firstborn of all creation" means that the son is a created being. He was the very first thing God created. He was the "beginning of the creation by God." (Revelation 3:14)

"Firstborn from the dead" means that Jesus was also the first human to be raised to spirit life in heaven. (John 3:13) When the curtain in the temple was rent in two when Jesus gave up his life, it signified that the way was now open for his anointed disciples to follow. No one went to heaven before Jesus. (John 3:13)

It was YHWH dwelling in that body, that is why he said things like, I and my Father are one,

John 17:21-22..."that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one". (ESV)

It is a 'oneness' of thought and purpose. No trinity here.

if you have seen me you have seen the Father,

He is the "image" of his Father....a reflection of his personality. This is a figure of speech.

now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

"Me and my Father....two separate individuals...like Jesus said at John 17:3..." And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." Why is it not necessary to "know" the third person of the trinity?

This three part God is very tricky. Bits of him can be in three places at once and they can talk to each other without being more than one God.....how incredibly fortunate for those Christians who are trying to be monotheistic.

the Father that dwelleth in me, he does the works.

By his spirit God can 'dwell' in any of us. God's spirit is not a person but the power than emanates from the Father to accomplish his will. His spirit can be "poured out" and "fill" people, empowering them with supernatural abilities. Jesus was not able to perform miracles before he was anointed with holy spirit at his baptism. If he was God, surely he would have been performing miracles his whole life. Why do you think his own hometown people had difficulty accepting him as Messiah? He was just the Carpenter's son. One of at least 6 children in Mary and Joseph's household. Even Jesus' own siblings did not believe in him at first.

The flesh was called the son, and the eternal Spirit dwelling in the flesh was the Father.

Sorry, but the spirit in Jesus was not the Father....but from the Father. It was God's spirit, poured out also upon the disciples at Pentecost, empowering them to speak languages they had never learned.
That spirit gave the apostles and others abilities that normal humans do not have....like healing the sick, raising the dead.

like the prophecy in Isaiah 9:6 had said, the son that would be born, would also be the mighty God, and the everlasting Father.

Since the Hebrew word "god".... "'elohiym" means.....

1. god, goddess
2. godlike one
3. works or special possessions of God
4. the (true) God
5. God
   (Strongs)

The word is not used exclusively for Jehovah. The "son" of Isaiah 9:6 is a "Prince" and he is a "Mighty God"...but not the "Almighty" One.

Also interesting is the term "father" used here. The Hebrew word is "'ab" and it means....

1. father of an individual
2. of God as father of his people
3. head or founder of a household, group, family, or clan
4. ancestor
   
   (Strongs)

Jesus can rightly be called an "Eternal Father" because, as the 'head or founder' of the Christian Congregation he imparts everlasting life to those who put faith in him.

Isaiah 40:3 talks about a voice in the wilderness crying Prepare ye the way of YHWH, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. When you get to the NT - who does that voice turn out to be? Mark 1:2-3 It's John the baptist, right? Well who did John prepare the way for, and who showed up? It was the Messiah, right? But Isaiah says it was YHWH he prepared the way for.

Who was Jesus representing? He came to teach people about his Father, not himself. He said that nothing he taught came from him but from his God. (John 7:16) John the Baptist prepared the way for the Jews to accept their Messiah....if John had said he was God they would have stoned him for blasphemy.

Philippians 2:10-11 says that every knee will bow, and every tongue confess that the Messiah is YHWH.

No sorry, it says that Jesus is "Lord" ("kyrios") not YHWH. It also says that all that Jesus did was to the glory of his Father, not himself.

What else does that scripture say?

"And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:8-11)

Jesus was obedient to whom? Is one part of God subservient to the other parts? He was exalted? How does one exalt God? How can he be given a name 'higher' than what he already has as YHWH? (Psalm 83:18)

I believe you are distorting scripture to lean to your trinity doctrine.

Please - Don't just brush over this real quickly, actually read it, and consider the points made. There are so many more proofs in the scriptures.

I will make the same plea to you.There are no "proofs" in the Bible for a trinity because it just isn't there. It wasn't even part of "church" doctrine until almost 400 years after Jesus died. Its a disgusting lie IMO....one designed by the deceiver to catch "fish" of his own. But those who love it will cling to it no matter what.

But I don't want this to be too long.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

YHWH, is Hebrew, it's the subject of this thread. It has everything to do with Hebrew, and how it matches the Greek text, or English text, and if you even use that word.

Do you understand the point: creator, savior, spirit relationship?

Unless YHWH is someone else than these three, do you understand the point of my post outside language issues?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Actually it's 'a word.'.



Genesis 1:26
Actually, it is 'let us make man in our image'.




I'm not entirely sure what your argument is.
I never said that that name in Hebrew is the name that I would use, to define trinity concept with, or anything like that.

You have to put commentary to the first two comments. I dont know what youre trying to say.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Not really. Thats why Im more of a modalist, and use triune for name distinction.



YHWH isn't in the christian Bible..

I understand the concept, but it seems like some form of 'creator', who uses angels, and then used a ...man messiah, somehow?

I dont know if youre a trinitarian, to put it basically.

I do understand christian trinitarianism, but you are using your own words, and the Bible does have its own names/words


Bibliotech

I only know the trinity by what I read in the bible. If I went off people and thousands of anti-trinity websites, Id be like the people who fight over the word but not the biblical concept of it.

The bible uses different words to form the unity of creator, savior, and spirit. In that unity, the creator has his role, the savior his, and the spirit its. Persons doesnt always mean human being or a being of some sort. In the dictionary, it is also referred to for organizations. English is flexible with idioms.

I dont mention whether Im trinitarian because it hijacks the conversation. I see both views in scripture. They both make sense. It just depends on who is reading it and what interpretation they get from it.

Two views are:

Some christians dont seperate the image from the source

The other view, by definition, the image is different from the source.

Its how one choses to personalize their relationship with god: by source or by image.

The concept is easy when there is no pre-establish bias. Its with any topic. Christianity is no exception.

 

[Desert Snake]

I only know the trinity by what I read in the bible. If I went off people and thousands of anti-trinity websites, Id be like the people who fight over the word but not the biblical concept of it.

The bible uses different words to form the unity of creator, savior, and spirit. In that unity, the creator has his role, the savior his, and the spirit its. Persons doesnt always mean human being or a being of some sort. In the dictionary, it is also referred to for organizations. English is flexible with idioms.

I dont mention whether Im trinitarian because it hijacks the conversation. I see both views in scripture. They both make sense. It just depends on who is reading it and what interpretation they get from it.

Two views are:

Some christians dont seperate the image from the source

The other view, by definition, the image is different from the source.

Its how one choses to personalize their relationship with god: by source or by image.

The concept is easy when there is no pre-establish bias. Its with any topic. Christianity is no exception.

I truly believe the trinity to be a deific notation, that was not invented by the church, or later church, I should say. And that is where we get it. That is why the later church has its 'mystery', or perhaps there is some other reason, why they don't explain it fully, in the doctrine.
Trinitarians can understand the trinity, however in discussions, it can get mistaken for the doctrine argument, so forth.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@Disciple of Jesus

Modalism: the theological doctrine that the members of the Trinity are not three distinct persons but rather three modes or forms of activity (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) under which God manifests himself.

The reason trinitarians define each part of the trinity as seperate persons is because their roles (or activity) differ.

How is that view seperate from the trinity than the words that describe each activity to which god manfests himself?

Person isnt always used for human being
Trinity is a unit of three

How is different activity different from using three persons under the same concept of the manifestion of god shared by both parties?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Real trinitarians wouldn't say that there is more than one god, because the trinity itself is one God. Real trinity is similar to modalism.

There is difference enough, that I dont call myself a trinitarian, it's more than that.

I think its wording. When I practiced in Catholicism, there is a severe distinctio between creator, savior, and spirit. When I was in art history couple months ago, I learnes the Church killed people for idol worship. They reshaped jesus to mirror one of high athority but not to worship him as a person. In Mass, the body worshiped Within (through and from) christ. Its in the apostles creed, I believe.

Jesus is god/father because he is the image of his source

Jesus is not god/creator because the source sent his image for the image go do the will of the source

If YHWH means father, no, jesus is not the father/ceator. Trinitarins know this.

If it means god, they use that to explain the divinity and purpose of the savior in connection to the father.

The "mystery of faith" does not discribe the connection; therefore, I dont understand how anti-trinitarians can claim what they believe when they dont know themselves.

Im not a trinitatian. I experienced jesus to be a human, died as a human, flesh as human, and spirit as human without divinity. Thats my experience.

Non-tri puts just as more importance on christ as trinitaria s do. Worshiping the image or source sounds off but if you think about it, its just the interpretation of how one relates to the source. Through jesus directly to god.

Through meaning through the image to the source
Others say jesus points to the source
While others believe the image speaks for the source

Not wrong just interesting

Triune, triad, etc as I understand it is the same as trinity. By definition and scripture--not the anti stuff people say.

 

[Desert Snake]

I think its wording. When I practiced in Catholicism, there is a severe distinctio between creator, savior, and spirit.

I dont know what they taught you, however in the trinitarian belief that I am aware of, these are all God. And they are aspects of God.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I dont know what they taught you, however in the trinitarian belief that I am aware of, these are all God. And they are aspects of God.

They didnt teach me. I experienced it. Mass seperates the three under one head (the body/people), one medium (christ/eucharist), and one source-the spirit uniting the body to the eucharist through and in a Mass.

I think a lot of people who are indoctrinated say god is jesus. In the Catechism, it expresses by the holy spirit believers in christ make the church one with god. So, basically, the eucharist makes you one with god through christ.

Its in their catechism, bible, and whats done in Mass. I think I hear trinitarian evangalist worshiping the body/christ not his spirit. The Church never taught to worship people. Theyd kill people.

I studied scripture on my own. I understood the trinity better. Mass emphasized the experience. I was an convert; so, I saw differently. That, and explain it differently.

Its the language. Even catholics challenge how I express it because they dont express the mystery nor look into it. I guess to do so would be sacrilage, I dont know

 

[TrueBeliever37]

As I have said before....God is the Supreme Being...he did not need to become a human to save mankind. He sent his faithful and willing servant to carry out that task. Jesus was a servant of his Father.

Acts 3:13-15..."The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him. 14 But ye denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted unto you, 15 and killed the Prince of life; whom God raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses."

You can see that God's "Servant Jesus", was "the Prince of Life" whom "God raised from the dead".
A servant cannot be his own Master. And a Prince is the son of a King.

Jesus did not raise himself from the dead because if he was God, he was immortal and could not die in the first place. God resurrected his servant, not himself.



The two designation mean entirely different things. The "firstborn of all creation" means that the son is a created being. He was the very first thing God created. He was the "beginning of the creation by God." (Revelation 3:14)

"Firstborn from the dead" means that Jesus was also the first human to be raised to spirit life in heaven. (John 3:13) When the curtain in the temple was rent in two when Jesus gave up his life, it signified that the way was now open for his anointed disciples to follow. No one went to heaven before Jesus. (John 3:13)



John 17:21-22..."that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one". (ESV)

It is a 'oneness' of thought and purpose. No trinity here.



He is the "image" of his Father....a reflection of his personality. This is a figure of speech.



"Me and my Father....two separate individuals...like Jesus said at John 17:3..." And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." Why is it not necessary to "know" the third person of the trinity?

This three part God is very tricky. Bits of him can be in three places at once and they can talk to each other without being more than one God.....how incredibly fortunate for those Christians who are trying to be monotheistic.



By his spirit God can 'dwell' in any of us. God's spirit is not a person but the power than emanates from the Father to accomplish his will. His spirit can be "poured out" and "fill" people, empowering them with supernatural abilities. Jesus was not able to perform miracles before he was anointed with holy spirit at his baptism. If he was God, surely he would have been performing miracles his whole life. Why do you think his own hometown people had difficulty accepting him as Messiah? He was just the Carpenter's son. One of at least 6 children in Mary and Joseph's household. Even Jesus' own siblings did not believe in him at first.



Sorry, but the spirit in Jesus was not the Father....but from the Father. It was God's spirit, poured out also upon the disciples at Pentecost, empowering them to speak languages they had never learned.
That spirit gave the apostles and others abilities that normal humans do not have....like healing the sick, raising the dead.



Since the Hebrew word "god".... "'elohiym" means.....

1. god, goddess
2. godlike one
3. works or special possessions of God
4. the (true) God
5. God
   (Strongs)

The word is not used exclusively for Jehovah. The "son" of Isaiah 9:6 is a "Prince" and he is a "Mighty God"...but not the "Almighty" One.

Also interesting is the term "father" used here. The Hebrew word is "'ab" and it means....

1. father of an individual
2. of God as father of his people
3. head or founder of a household, group, family, or clan
4. ancestor
   
   (Strongs)

Jesus can rightly be called an "Eternal Father" because, as the 'head or founder' of the Christian Congregation he imparts everlasting life to those who put faith in him.



Who was Jesus representing? He came to teach people about his Father, not himself. He said that nothing he taught came from him but from his God. (John 7:16) John the Baptist prepared the way for the Jews to accept their Messiah....if John had said he was God they would have stoned him for blasphemy.



No sorry, it says that Jesus is "Lord" ("kyrios") not YHWH. It also says that all that Jesus did was to the glory of his Father, not himself.

What else does that scripture say?

"And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:8-11)

Jesus was obedient to whom? Is one part of God subservient to the other parts? He was exalted? How does one exalt God? How can he be given a name 'higher' than what he already has as YHWH? (Psalm 83:18)

I believe you are distorting scripture to lean to your trinity doctrine.



I will make the same plea to you.There are no "proofs" in the Bible for a trinity because it just isn't there. It wasn't even part of "church" doctrine until almost 400 years after Jesus died. Its a disgusting lie IMO....one designed by the deceiver to catch "fish" of his own. But those who love it will cling to it no matter what.

I can tell you don't understand what I have said, BECAUSE I DON"T BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY!

Why did the Messiah say destroy this temple (speaking of his body) and in 3 days I will raise it up? Are you saying he lied to us? The only way for this to be true, is if the Spirit of God dwelling in him was saying it. Because we know the scriptures say God raised the body.

The Spirit in him was the Father - Proof Scriptures - the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. John 14:10
For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead (deity) bodily. Colossians 2:9
To wit, that God was in Messiah reconciling the world unto himself. 2 Corinthians 5:19

The messiah was made of a woman, made under the law. You don't exist before you were made. Was the lamb literally slain from the foundation of the world? Or was it in the mind and plan of God. Revelation 13:8

Please answer each of the following questions:

1. Who is the Alpha and Omega, and the first and the last, the Almighty in Revelations 1:8 ?

2. Who is the first and the last in Revelations 1:17-18 ?

3. Who is the first and the last according to Isaiah 44:6 ?

4. Now who is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last in Revelation 22:12-13 ?

5. Can you have more than one who is the first and the last?

6. If the risen Messiah said I have all power in heaven and in earth, is he not the Almighty?


It was prophecied in Isaiah 9:6 that the son to be born would also be the mighty God, and the everlasting Father.
YHWH said in Isaiah 43:10-12 that there was no God (el) formed before him, and neither would there be after him. (The same Hebrew word for God is used in both verses. )
Just because it has mighty before it, doesn't change anything.
(Isaiah 10:20-21 is an example of where it calls YHWH the mighty God.)

 

[Desert Snake]

Lord
God

These are translated from different words, names.

 

[Deeje]

I can tell you don't understand what I have said, BECAUSE I DON"T BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY!

Since you seem to believe that Jesus is God then, are you supporting a binary?

Why did the Messiah say destroy this temple (speaking of his body) and in 3 days I will raise it up? Are you saying he lied to us? The only way for this to be true, is if the Spirit of God dwelling in him was saying it. Because we know the scriptures say God raised the body.

John 2:19-22:

By what he said, did Jesus mean that he would resurrect himself from the dead? Does that mean that Jesus is God, because Acts 2:32 says, “This Jesus God raised up”?

Such a view would conflict with Galatians 1:1, which ascribes the resurrection of Jesus to the Father, not to the Son. Using a similar mode of expression, at Luke 8:48 Jesus is quoted as saying to a woman: “Your faith has made you well.” Did he mean that she healed herself? No; it was power from God through Christ that healed her because she had faith. (Luke 8:46; Acts 10:38) Likewise, by his perfect obedience as a human, Jesus provided the moral basis for the Father to raise him from the dead, thus acknowledging Jesus as God’s Son. Because of Jesus’ faithful course of life, it could properly be said that Jesus himself was responsible for his resurrection.
He did not mean that he will raise himself from the dead independently of the Father as the active agent.

"But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you." (Romans 8:11)

It is God's spirit that gives life.

The Spirit in him was the Father - Proof Scriptures - the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. John 14:10

Do you ever use other translations?

"Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works." (NASB)

Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I speak to you I do not speak on My own. The Father who lives in Me does His works. (HCBS)

Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you, I do not speak on my own initiative, but the Father residing in me performs his miraculous deeds. (NET)

It helps to see how other translations render the verses. You get a much better view of the text....which in this case tells us plainly that the Father was working "through" his son by means of his holy spirit. They were God's works, not those of Jesus.

For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead (deity) bodily. Colossians 2:9

Again, how is this verse translated in other Bibles?

"For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily" (ESV)

"For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ" (CSB)

"For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body." (NLT)

In the Greek "fullness of deity"or "fullness of God's nature" (theótes) is speaking about the “divine quality” of God in Christ, and this is the only use of the word in the Christian Greek Scriptures. It does not mean "godhead" because to the Bible writers, there was no such thing.

The same can be seen from a similar Greek word, theiótes, which appears only at Romans 1:20, and which is rendered “divine nature” in many translations.

Being determined to make Jesus into God somehow makes those scriptures say something they don't.
There is not one scripture where Jesus says "I am God".

There is "God the Father" as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 8:6..." For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him."

There is a direct statement of who it was that the apostles accepted as God.....but you keep ignoring it.

To wit, that God was in Messiah reconciling the world unto himself. 2 Corinthians 5:19

What is this scripture telling us?

2 Corinthians 5:18-19...." All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation." (ESV)

Do you understand why reconciliation with God was necessary? Adam and his wife alienated themselves and all their offspring from God because of disobedience leading to sin. But The Father instituted a rescue mission right there and then by providing the means to deal the adversary who caused this rift, a fatal head wound, and eventually bringing Adam's children back home to God. (Genesis 3:15) His means of reconciliation was Jesus.

The messiah was made of a woman, made under the law. You don't exist before you were made. Was the lamb literally slain from the foundation of the world? Or was it in the mind and plan of God. Revelation 13:8

Are you saying that Jesus did not exist in heaven as a separate being until he was born as a human?

John 17:5;24..."And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.....Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world."

"The foundation of the world" is not the creation of the earth, but the creation of the human race. Jesus' services as redeemer and savior were not needed until mankind sinned and became alienated from God. It seems weird that sinful humans would need a "mediator" between them and God because of sin, but no mediator is needed between us and Jesus, which, if he was God would make no sense.

The Revelation is of course written in symbols as John was told. (Revelation 1:1)
Galatians 4:4...."But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law". Jesus was not "made of a woman" he was made by God through the power of his spirit. He completely erased any genetic input from Mary (who although chosen to bear God's son, was as sinful as any other woman) and grew a perfect embryo by transferring the lifeforce and personality of his faithful son, in order for him to be born as a human. He was not an incarnation of God, but an incarnation of his trusted son, his Father's servant.