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do you believe that there are other creatures in universe, or just in the earth ?

do you believe that there are other creatures in universe, or just in the earth ?

  • the creatures exist only in the earth

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • the creatures exist in earth and universe (both)

    Votes: 38 97.4%

  • Total voters
    39

InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
The form of life we are most familiar with is the carbon based organic chemistry - this is by no means the only possible basis of life, but any other basis would require a capacity similar to carbon's suitability for the creation of complex chemical structures. The elements necessary for organic chemistry carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen etc are the most abundant in the universe (sans helium, which is quite irrelevant for most discussions of chemical reactions by virtue of being inert). So, of the single basis of life that we are aware of, we know the fundamental components required for its construction are ubiquitous (functionally for the purposes of this discussion).

However, the construction of entities that could be called 'life' (not entirely easy to define btw) requires more than simply the presence of these elements; it also requires the presence of a suitable set of conditions so as to facilitate chemical reactions of the nature required for the construction and replication of these complex chemical structures. How many planets might have conditions suitable for the creation of 'life', much of the work on this has been on attempting to locate planets within a certain distance of a star so as to have liquid water (as needed for organic chemistry). Exactly how common are these conditions is unclear, it is however perhaps more common than we once believed: http://www.religiousforums.com/foru.../156092-earth-uniquely-situated-life-not.html However this is using the perspective that we have formed as a result of the nature of life on earth - there are potentially other forms, sulfur or boron based life for example; given the prevalence of the elements used in organic chemistry, it does however seem to be the more suitable avenue with which to direct our attentions in the search for environments suitable for life.

As for the search for evidence of life (as opposed to the conditions that could give rise to life), I believe that this is a far more problematic endevour as a result of the vast distances (and thus time delays) between stars. Let us assume for a moment that there is another star on the other side of the center of the milky way the same distance from the center as we are (that would make it about 52,000–56,000 ly away from us since we are relatively close to mid way from the center); let assume that right this very instant they developed radio technologies and were thus able to create electromagnetic disturbances that when it reached earth we might possibly be able to detect - we will have to wait 52 to 56 thousand years to detect this (and that is if we were listening for signals from the right direction of the universe).

Given our current technological competencies, searching for suitable conditions for life is a far more fruitful endevour (though were the other to pay off the return would be immensely greater), this may change in the future as our capacity to detect and analyse signals from a wider range of origins, through a wider range of mechanisms and able to achieve reliable results utilising smaller periods of observation perhaps this will change. We have little evidence to suggest there is life outside of earth; but far less to suggest there can not be. Indeed everything seems to suggest it is likely there is but that we merely have not (and perhaps will not) detected them.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I definitely think that life exists elsewhere. The math is against Earth being the only planet with life on it, or even sentient life.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
for you opinion is there other creatures (Aliens) out side the earth ?

btw
The God in Holy Quran inform us that HE creat other creatures in the heaven .

Alshura 42-28/39

(28)
And of His portents is the creation of the heaven and the earth, and of whatever beasts He hath dispersed therein. And He is Able to gather them when He will. (29)

وَمِنۡ ءَايَـٰتِهِۦ خَلۡقُ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ وَمَا بَثَّ فِيهِمَا مِن دَآبَّةٍ۬*ۚ وَهُوَ عَلَىٰ جَمۡعِهِمۡ إِذَا يَشَآءُ قَدِيرٌ۬






There's no way, as of now, to know for sure there is life on other planets, but I've always thought there could be,
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
But what are the odds the "combination" our exact circumstances happened to make for human beings on another planet ?

Take a look at how we even exist..Its a miracle...Take it all...the distance from our sun ...we have a planet that BLOCKS us and has from being smashed with debris.... etc...
 

InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
But what are the odds the "combination" our exact circumstances happened to make for human beings on another planet ?
For human beings to have evolved on another planet? Absurdly unlikely.

For some other form of intelligent life? Far more likely (still improbable for any particular life supporting environment though)

Then again, there is no apparent reason to suggest that human life is 'special' in comparison to other forms of potential intelligent life.
 
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DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
[QUOTEFor human beings to have evolved on another planet? Absurdly unlikely.][/QUOTE]

I agree...

For some other form of intelligent life? Far more likely (still improbable for any particular life supporting environment though)

I agree. hmmm...but space is infinity so..........

Then again, there is no apparent reason to suggest that human life is 'special' in comparison to other forms of potential intelligent life

Ummm..Im special because its me and I'm priveledged. IM a MIRACLE . :D
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
The odds even with "infinity " of human beings existing on another planet are slim to none.Sorry I mean we would be rare .
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Are people crazy enough to THINK there is another planet that not only has human beings ..but WHALES ? bees ??? Apple trees??? Cat fish ??? Sharks ? Roaches :eek:
 
for you opinion is there other creatures (Aliens) out side the earth ?
There are countless races of intelligent beings in the universe. However, they don't just exist in some solar systems far away from our solar system. The extraterrestrials are "visiting" our world currently and have been carrying out covert activities, some very sinister, in order to gain control of the world, apparently unbeknownst to many people in the world, as demonstrated in this thread and the forum.
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...ting-mostly-reported-west-10.html#post3551999
 
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Cardboard

Member
Are people crazy enough to THINK there is another planet that not only has human beings ..but WHALES ? bees ??? Apple trees??? Cat fish ??? Sharks ? Roaches :eek:

All i can think about when i hear things such as this is Carl Sagan.

“I worry that, especially as the Millennium edges nearer, pseudoscience and superstition will seem year by year more tempting, the siren song of unreason more sonorous and attractive. Where have we heard it before? Whenever our ethnic or national prejudices are aroused, in times of scarcity, during challenges to national self-esteem or nerve, when we agonize about our diminished cosmic place and purpose, or when fanaticism is bubbling up around us - then, habits of thought familiar from ages past reach for the controls. Carl Sagan.

 

Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
It is a mathematical certainty that there is other life in the universe somewhere. Who or what that life is, however, we can only guess at. Recently it has been estimated that there maybe between as many as 8.8-60 billion habitable earth-like worlds in this galaxy alone.
 

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
It is a mathematical certainty that there is other life in the universe somewhere. Who or what that life is, however, we can only guess at. Recently it has been estimated that there maybe between as many as 8.8-60 billion habitable earth-like worlds in this galaxy alone.
If it was a mathematical certainty, it would be the case that it was somehow logically impossible for there to be only one inhabited planet in the universe. That's silly.
 

Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
Remember, just because its possible to talk to aliens doesn't mean they're paying attention. ;)


I don't think we can talk to them. Human beings can't even communicate with each other. Democrats can't communicate with Republicans. America can't communicate with Russia. Parents can't communicate with their children or each other, sometimes. So what do we think we could ever say to aliens? Don't forget that something that is extraterrestrial is going to be unlike anything we've imagined (forget hollywood).

We also try to communicate in ways that aren't effective or efficient. We beam radio signals into space. Now let us suppose there is a spacefaring civilisation out there. And that space-travel is as common to them as air travel is to us. That being the case they would need something beyond radio in order to make that system of travel work. Radio is too slow. Their ships may need to communicate with each other, and to communicate with their homeworld, etc. So they would need a more immediate method of communication than radio waves.

Now if this method of communicating is more effective and efficient than radio, it is reasonable to speculate that radio may have gone the way of the telegram and, given a sufficient period of time, perhaps they stop listening for radio transmissions altogether. So, in effect, we're trying to send a telegram to someone with a cell-phone in the hope they'll get the message.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
for you opinion is there other creatures (Aliens) out side the earth ?

Yes. The universe is quite big, after all.

It does not at all follow that we will ever find any evidence of their existence, however. Besides any considerations of how to create a common language of some sort, who knows what how long an alien might live and how quickly or slowly he might interact with others. For all we know bacteria might be intelligent, but we will be hard pressed to communicate with them anyway.

And the very reason why I believe there is alien life is also the reason why I doubt we will ever know that for a fact. What are the odds of reaching it from here from on our tiny blue sand grain?
 

NobodyYouKnow

Misanthropist
I voted for 'both' because it all depends on what you mean by 'creature'.

If you were to say humans or animals as we know them, then nope, I think we are pretty much unique there.

I'll also extend that to anything with two eyes, a mouth, two arms and two legs...so if you are talking about 'Grey Aliens' I will also say...nope.

Life exists on other planets, but 'not as we know it, Jim'. It could be a single-celled organism, maybe having silicon as a base instead of carbon, or any other element we don't know of that's not of this world...

It could be a form of algae, or it could be some form of consciousness without a body...who knows?

Is life on other planets 'intelligent'? well, that would depend on the type of intelligence and the type of life...so 'the jury is still out' on that one.
 
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