Do you feel like your designed?

[Mister Silver]

Yes, I was designed. By my parents when my father provided me with half of his DNA and my mother provided me with the other half through the sperm meeting the egg in my mother's womb.

 

[abc]

I tend to think of multicellular life forms as robots made of meat. It is possible to design a human, dog or tree part by part. Theoretically we could create a life form by growing organs from stem cells and then create a patchwork of operating organs. Ethics aside, mankind's discoveries of the functional traits of each part of the body, along with surgical advances and inspirations for the field of robotics, proves it is entirely possible to design life forms. We were designed naturally of flesh while metal-and-silicon robots are artificial adaptations, which is the only major difference. Needless to say, in both cases of design, malfunctions and bugs will persist, along with the occasional virus.

If we were created from a patchwork of organs humans would never exist. The human body is such a complex system that it could have never just happened by chance. The functional traits of each individual part work together to form the whole being. There has to be a creator with an ultimate plan in mind.

 

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If I was designed, it wasn't a great design. Any half-decent engineer could have done better.

Then why haven't they?

 

[Altfish]

Then why haven't they?

Do I really need to answer that?

 

[abc]

Do I really need to answer that?

Please do. I am curious.

 

[metis]

The human body is such a complex system that it could have never just happened by chance. The functional traits of each individual part work together to form the whole being.

At least hypothetically, this is not true. Supplementing mutations and [random] genetic drift is natural selection, so what ever "works" tends to move on to the next generations but what ever "doesn't work" tends to get dropped. Over vast amounts of time, lots of changes can take place.

Now, does this mean there cannot be a "creator"? Of course not.

 

[abc]

At least hypothetically, this is not true. Supplementing mutations and [random] genetic drift is natural selection, so what ever "works" tends to move on to the next generations but what ever "doesn't work" tends to get dropped. Over vast amounts of time, lots of changes can take place.

Now, does this mean there cannot be a "creator"? Of course not.

How can natural selection and creation both work at the same time?

 

[metis]

How can natural selection and creation both work at the same time?

Most cosmologists now think it's likely that energy and matter may well go back into infinity, so there might not have been a "creation" from nothing. Quantum mechanics seems to indicate this as a strong possibility.

However, again, this does not intrinsically mean there was no "intelligence" behind it all.

 

[Altfish]

Please do. I am curious.

There have been numerous articles on this, the sort of things that come up are...
1. Design eyes without a blind spot.
2. Our genitalia are a mess: urine and semen come out of the same hole in males, and the female reproductive system seems totally unable to handle our large-headed babies.
3. We have to eat vitamin C to not get scurvy, while most animals make it themselves.
4. The human backbone. Originally evolved for an all-fours-walking quadruped where it worked under tension – like a suspension bridge. Now evolved to support upright Homo sapiens, where it has to work under compression. If you imagine the engineering problems involved in upending a suspension bridge to use it as a pillar, you get some idea as to why humans are so prone to back problems.
5. The existence of the pharynx, a passage used for both ingestion and respiration, with the consequent drastic increase in the risk of chocking.
6. Get rid of the appendix, it no longer does anything useful.

That's a good start, but there are more flaws in the human body

 

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Most cosmologists now think it's likely that energy and matter may well go back into infinity, so there might not have been a "creation" from nothing. Quantum mechanics seems to indicate this as a strong possibility.

However, again, this does not intrinsically mean there was no "intelligence" behind it all.

If energy and matter go back into infinity and there might not have been a creation from nothing then there cannot be a creator behind it. This means that natural selection and creation cannot both work at the same time.

 

[metis]

If energy and matter go back into infinity and there might not have been a creation from nothing then there cannot be a creator behind it.

No doubt a single creator would present a hypothetical problem, but possibly not multiple creators.

This means that natural selection and creation cannot both work at the same time.

Most Christian theologians believe in "theistic evolution", namely that there's been an evolutionary process but God was behind it all.

 

[FearGod]

No. I have epilepsy (a seizure disorder) where neurons in the brain misfire spontaneously. It's always a surprise and never pre-planned yet to doctors and to the brain is absolutely normal to have spontaneous activity in the brain for whatever reason. We can find patterns but the reason it's considered an illness is not only how it affects us but how it affects the brain. Not the patterns but the activity itself. We don't know.

Same as cancer, depression, and other forms of illnesses and condition. Same as nature and same as a unpredicted miscarriage.

We need to learn how to deal with there is no design, no purpose in and of itself, and no living eternally to comfort ourselves in the illusion life-our physical bodies-do not die.

Energy (fancy word? spirits) do not die. Energy always exist. It's not designed either hence why neurons go haywire. Yet, why does it need to be designed, divine, or things of that nature?

In and of itself, life doesn't make sense, does it's own thing, and doesn't stop for us just because we take care of it the best we can.

Design? No. I've had seizures all my life. I compare life to seizures. Why would I expect anything more?

If there were no seizures and no illnesses of any kind, will you then change your mind?

 

[Nakosis]

Given the many diverse functions and processes of the human body, coupled with the fact that there are independently functioning life forms that support and maintain your body as a living organism, do you feel there is any sense of design prevalent enough that would make or cause you to feel that way?

What is it?

Sure, we were designed for survival, which basically requires the ability to procreate at a rate which exceeds the mortality rate.

Life was a design of chemical evolution, intelligence was a design of biological evolution. The many wonderful things to be brought forth by intelligent design we've seen and will see going forth into the future.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If there were no seizures and no illnesses of any kind, will you then change your mind?

Unpredicatibility of life isnt dependent on me. Spontaneous nature of life happens in all things. Seizures are normal. The brain is made for neurons to go haywire just as the body was made for cells to split. Nothing is an "illness" in life.

What makes it an illness is how we percieve it affecting us. Our bodies we are born, live, age, and die. Thats normal.

"Illness" will always be present because the body is not made to live forever and energy never dies. So we need to be confortable with uncertainty.

 

[abc]

There have been numerous articles on this, the sort of things that come up are...
1. Design eyes without a blind spot.
2. Our genitalia are a mess: urine and semen come out of the same hole in males, and the female reproductive system seems totally unable to handle our large-headed babies.
3. We have to eat vitamin C to not get scurvy, while most animals make it themselves.
4. The human backbone. Originally evolved for an all-fours-walking quadruped where it worked under tension – like a suspension bridge. Now evolved to support upright Homo sapiens, where it has to work under compression. If you imagine the engineering problems involved in upending a suspension bridge to use it as a pillar, you get some idea as to why humans are so prone to back problems.
5. The existence of the pharynx, a passage used for both ingestion and respiration, with the consequent drastic increase in the risk of chocking.
6. Get rid of the appendix, it no longer does anything useful.

That's a good start, but there are more flaws in the human body

Those are all valid flaws but

Any half-decent engineer could have done better.

assumes that we could have done better.

You didn't really offer many solutions that are created by humans to those problems that you stated.

 

[Altfish]

Those are all valid flaws but
assumes that we could have done better.

You didn't really offer many solutions that are created by humans to those problems that you stated.

I was talking about designing a better body, not constructing it.
But appendix are cut out, we have caesarean births, we dose ourselves with vitamin , etc

 

[FearGod]

Unpredicatibility of life isnt dependent on me. Spontaneous nature of life happens in all things. Seizures are normal. The brain is made for neurons to go haywire just as the body was made for cells to split. Nothing is an "illness" in life.

What makes it an illness is how we percieve it affecting us. Our bodies we are born, live, age, and die. Thats normal.

"Illness" will always be present because the body is not made to live forever and energy never dies. So we need to be confortable with uncertainty.

What do you mean by the body is not made to live forever? how it was made as not to live forever
or for some hundreds of years?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What do you mean by the body is not made to live forever? how it was made as not to live forever
or for some hundreds of years?

The body, as soon as it's born, starts to decay. We reach to a certain age point and then we start dying. We are literally dying as we speak (or type). Unless you believe in reincarnation, I can't figure how the body would live for some hundred years. Unless only miracles happen in a certain era, skips a thousand years of our life time, then picks up again later.