Do you feel like your designed?

[idav]

I agree Europe and Greater Asia was a cesspit during the industrial revolution and the steam age.

But the Middle East was thriving. So was China, Africa, and India - people lived long fruitful lives. 30/40 years of age was still considered "young". In many ways, Europe is still playing "catch up".

Small wonder, the fight is on for the middle east and the land between the two rivers. People who live along the equator, do live longer. This was established in ancient times and has been a theme ever since. Only war got in the way of it!

Peace

Let me put it another way, only the genetically lucky survive. Humans are often born with all sorts of ailments not conducive to a long life. That's without considering people predisposed to any number of sicknesses including virus susceptibility and chances of getting various types of cancers. Heart disease being the most prevalent thing killing us, the natural world kills us more than any violent thing we can think of. That's more evidence of poor design.

This list is ridiculous for a designed being.
The 10 most likely ways you’re going to die

Heart disease
Cancer
Respiratory issues
Accidents
Stroke
Alzheimer's
Diabetes
Influenza
Nephritis
Then self harm is last

Those are some flawed humans.

 

[Mohsen]

Let me put it another way, only the genetically lucky survive. Humans are often born with all sorts of ailments not conducive to a long life. That's without considering people predisposed to any number of sicknesses including virus susceptibility and chances of getting various types of cancers. Heart disease being the most prevalent thing killing us, the natural world kills us more than any violent thing we can think of. That's more evidence of poor design.

This list is ridiculous for a designed being.
The 10 most likely ways you’re going to die

Heart disease
Cancer
Respiratory issues
Accidents
Stroke
Alzheimer's
Diabetes
Influenza
Nephritis
Then self harm is last

Those are some flawed humans.

Well, all living things on earth have to die, friend - this is not evident of "poor design".

Is a flower, designed poorly? It too, dies. Yet we think it perfect in its beauty and fragrance, its' purpose to bloom, no matter how brief, is proof of its' perfection... but come the long winter - it too must die - this is not proof of poor design, It's only proof of mortality.

Humans too, go through a bloom, it's called puberty and adulthood - and lasts up to approx the age of 40, beyond which it all goes south.

Prepare for your long winter, coz its' coming... GoT fans, this one is specially for you

Peace

 

[idav]

See above post. I believe humans are not animals and shouldn't be classified or categorized as animals. We are humans created in God's image with souls. Apes are not.

So he designed an ape with opposable thumbs and threw in a soul?

 

[Revoltingest]

Work out, then!

peace

Exercise don't cure ugly.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Tactics of a 5 year old. Maybe your friends are impressed. I guess your pride got a boost from that.

Try posting cartoon pics. They are much funnier and I might even chuckle a bit.

 

[Mohsen]

Exercise don't cure ugly.

Beauty can be quite subjective. Just like belief, so don't worry too much

peace

 

[Revoltingest]

Beauty can be quite subjective. Just like belief, so don't worry too much

peace

Me no worry.
I have the gift of low expectations!

 

[Mohsen]

Me no worry.
I have the gift of low expectations!

You'll never be disappointed then

Peace

 

[DavidFirth]

So he designed an ape with opposable thumbs and threw in a soul?

Apes were created on Day 5 along with the rest of the animals, no soul. Humans were created on Day 6. God Himself breathed life into them and gave them souls. Humans were created in God's image. Apes were not, they are spiritually no different from the other animals.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Well, all living things on earth have to die, friend - this is not evident of "poor design".

Is a flower, designed poorly? It too, dies. Yet we think it perfect in its beauty and fragrance, its' purpose to bloom, no matter how brief, is proof of its' perfection... but come the long winter - it too must die - this is not proof of poor design, It's only proof of mortality.

Humans too, go through a bloom, it's called puberty and adulthood - and lasts up to approx the age of 40, beyond which it all goes south.

Perhaps you'll share this notion with my daughter who died at 21 from a rare sarcoma.

^^ Evidence of poor design.

 

[metis]

Sir, your science isn't truth. It's false reality based entirely on assumptions.

False.

Neither you nor any Harvard grad can deter me from it.

That's obvious. You only believe you "know the truth", and that has led you to use your religious approach as a set of blinders. One can only learn if they "walk humbly with God", as Micah said, and keep an open mind. You have closed yours off, but there's time for you to change that and marvel even more on creation.

 

[DavidFirth]

Okay, that's better. That's more in the 13-14 year old range.

 

[metis]

I don't believe they (science and religion) are mutually exclusive.

I didn't say they were, but even though their areas may overlap, their approach is very different .

The Islamic Golden Age did much to fuel the enlightenment period of Europe which took it out of its' "Dark Ages".

Yes, I did study and teach that, including studying Islam in a fair amount of detail. Long story.

Gotta go, so have a great weekend.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Apes were created on Day 5 along with the rest of the animals, no soul. Humans were created on Day 6. God Himself breathed life into them and gave them souls. Humans were created in God's image. Apes were not, they are spiritually no different from the other animals.

Is it not possible that apes evolved from "Day" 5 to "Day" 6? There are even members of the clergy that buy into this.

 

[Mohsen]

Perhaps you'll share this notion with my daughter who died at 21 from a rare sarcoma.

^^ Evidence of poor design.

You valued her existence all the more for it, no? I believe she is in a better place than we are now. You're not the only one who has lost loved ones early. I have too. We learn from these losses, to treasure moments. I feel your pain somewhat. But prefer not to talk about it here, because it isn't conducive to the learning experience. One thing I will say, friend, is that I have a natural empathy with you here! To have known a life, for a brief time before it is taken, is heart renderingly painful, but we learn so much from the experience. I truly am sorry for your loss and though you may not be a believer, I hope you can see my good and honest intentions in the words I write next - may God grant you ease from your loss, and pray God give you reunion with her, in the next life, Amen!

- God bless, and peace!

 

[Mohsen]

I didn't say they were, but even though their areas may overlap, their approach is very different .

Yes, I did study and teach that, including studying Islam in a fair amount of detail. Long story.

Gotta go, so have a great weekend.

Yeah I guess that's my cue too, friend.

It's 2:07am lol, forums are addictive. (read that as, I had a good time here tonight, so thank you all who participated - and thank you OP)

God bless, time for bed!

Peace

 

[George-ananda]

I understand why people think that way, it is amazing and mind-boggling on how things really work, but I find skeptical and critical approaches paramount if these type of mysteries are to be solved by those living.

I'm not sure what you mean by a skeptical approach. I am not advocating saying 'God did it' and not studying everything until we understand everything.

It's rather sad to see that our life spans are just too short to see any answers of this nature come to pass.

We'll learn more and more all the time and, as I believe in reincarnation and that consciousness is eternal, I think we will be there to see it.

 

[SalixIncendium]

You valued her existence all the more for it, no? I believe she is in a better place than we are now. You're not the only one who has lost loved ones early. I have too. We learn from these losses, to treasure moments. I feel your pain somewhat. But prefer not to talk about it here, because it isn't conducive to the learning experience. One thing I will say, friend, is that I have a natural empathy with you here! To have known a life, for a brief time before it is taken, is heart renderingly painful, but we learn so much from the experience. I truly am sorry for your loss and though you may not be a believer, I hope you can see my good and honest intentions in the words I write next - may God grant you ease from your loss, and pray God give you reunion with her, in the next life, Amen!

- God bless, and peace!

I genuinely appreciate the sentiment and well wishes, but I wasn't attempting to come across as emotional, nor was I fishing for sympathy. I was merely submitting evidence of the claim made ITT that the design contains flaws, supporting my first post ITT.

 

[Mohsen]

I genuinely appreciate the sentiment and well wishes, but I wasn't attempting to come across as emotional or fishing for sympathy. I was merely submitting evidence of the claim made ITT that the design contains flaws, supporting my first post ITT.

Well, if dead legs are evidence for bad design then i'm a fool, coz I should have known better than to stay in one position too long

my point was that "all living things in the world, die" - at what age, is irrelevant! The idea here is that death is not proof of bad design. It is the experience of living which is considered fair or unfair - and that itself is subjective, as we know.

Peace

 

[idav]

Apes were created on Day 5 along with the rest of the animals, no soul. Humans were created on Day 6. God Himself breathed life into them and gave them souls. Humans were created in God's image. Apes were not, they are spiritually no different from the other animals.

It says breathes life into them in the Bible but you added "and gave them souls". Your not supposed to add to scripture. It says life and all animals including plants have life, remarkable the Bible knew it too. More specifically it says became a living soul.