Do you feel like your designed?

[DavidFirth]

Chimps are actually smarter than human children until age three. Part of the problem whereas they don't seem as smart as us when that young is that they cannot speak as we can, but when taught computerese, they're quite impressive. Chimps are one of the few animals that can figure out that their reflection in a mirror is not another chimp but themselves.

Google "Washoe" for some more information.

See my preceding post.

 

[metis]

Well, according to your beliefs they've had millions of years already. To think they will in less than a million doesn't sound rational.

Why assume that they have to be like us? The point of reproduction is to keep the line going, and they've been successful at doing so. Intelligence is only one factor of many for possible survivability.

 

[Mohsen]

Its common sense we need all the sciences but he point is poor design. As it is humans are probably the only species on the planet that require fire to process meat.
How Has Longevity Changed Throughout History?
"Life Expectancy From the 1800s to Today
From the 1500s onward, till around the year 1800, life expectancy throughout Europe hovered between 30 and 40 years of age. Since the early 1800s, Finch writes that life expectancy at birth has doubled in a period of only 10 or so generations. Improved health care, sanitation, immunizations, access to clean, running water and better nutrition are all credited with the massive increase."

I agree Europe and Greater Asia was a cesspit during the industrial revolution and the steam age.

But the Middle East was thriving. So was China, Africa, and India - people lived long fruitful lives. 30/40 years of age was still considered "young". In many ways, Europe is still playing "catch up".

Small wonder, the fight is on for the middle east and the land between the two rivers. People who live along the equator, do live longer. This was established in ancient times and has been a theme ever since. Only war got in the way of it!

Peace

 

[DavidFirth]

Why assume that they have to be like us? The point of reproduction is to keep the line going, and they've been successful at doing so. Intelligence is only one factor of many for possible survivability.

Well, one reason why I know I'm designed is because animals are animals and I'm no animal. That was my point. I'm not an animal and I never will be animal. Apes are not intelligent beings with souls and they never will be.

There are other reasons, of course, but I doubt you would want to hear them.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well, according to your beliefs they've had millions of years already. To think they will in less than a million doesn't sound rational.

We evolved through the use of our large brains, at one time I suspect competing apes were superior, forcing us out of the trees, so we had to adapt to new environmental conditions and circumstances, and that's when our brains grew given us an evolutionary advantage.

I don't think other branches of apes evolved as fast because there was no need to adapt.

 

[DavidFirth]

Why assume that they have to be like us? The point of reproduction is to keep the line going, and they've been successful at doing so. Intelligence is only one factor of many for possible survivability.

And you macroevolutionists are always pointing out all the similarities. Try looking at all the differences for a change. Yellow and gold look similar but they are not the same thing and they didn't evolve from the same thing.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Well, one reason why I know I'm designed is because animals are animals and I'm no animal. That was my point. I'm not an animal and I never will be animal.

Begging your pardon here, but I pulled up an article to help you understand this better...

Are humans considered animals? | Discovery Kids

Unless you're claiming you're not human...

 

[Mohsen]

We evolved through the use of our large brains, at one time I suspect competing apes were superior, forcing us out of the trees, so we had to adapt to new environmental conditions and circumstances, and that's when our brains grew given us an evolutionary advantage.

I don't think other branches of apes evolved as fast because there was no need to adapt.

Is this what counts as evolutionary explanations that are supposed to be factual?

Peace

 

[metis]

Well, one reason why I know I'm designed is because animals are animals and I'm no animal.

Are you vegetable? a virus? inanimate? if none of these, you're an animal.

Apes are not intelligent beings with souls and they never will be.

How do you know they don't have "souls"? What objective evidence can you produce to indicate that?

I don't know if they do or don't as there really is no objective way to tell. Nor do I really care.

 

[DavidFirth]

Begging your pardon here, but I pulled up an article to help you understand this better...

Are humans considered animals? | Discovery Kids

Unless you're claiming you're not human...

Not interested in such a discussion. Sir, I am not an animal, my ancestors were not animals and nothing you can say can change that. I am a firm believer in Jesus Christ. Trying to get me to look at Biblical alternatives is not ever going to happen.

 

[DavidFirth]

Are you vegetable? a virus? inanimate? if none of these, you're an animal.

How do you know they don't have "souls"? What objective evidence can you produce to indicate that?

I don't know if they do or don't as there really is no objective way to tell. Nor do I really care.

See above post. I believe humans are not animals and shouldn't be classified or categorized as animals. We are humans created in God's image with souls. Apes are not.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Not interested in such a discussion. Sir, I am not an animal, my ancestors were not animals and nothing you can say can change that. I am a firm believer in Jesus Christ. Trying to get me to look at Biblical alternatives is not ever going to happen.

 

[Mohsen]

How do you know they don't have "souls"? What objective evidence can you produce to indicate that?

All living beings have souls - but according to my Muslim belief (and Judeo-Christian belief as well) the animal kingdom will not be accounted for judgement, and thus, doesn't have the same level of intelligence as us! We're an higher soul, compared to the "Lower life forms".

I know you went on to write this,

I don't know if they do or don't as there really is no objective way to tell. Nor do I really care.

but I'm just clarifying for the sake of being clear - even though this was not directed at me.

peace

 

[Revoltingest]

Were I designed, I'd expect a better result.

 

[metis]

And you macroevolutionists are always pointing out all the similarities. Try looking at all the differences for a change. Yellow and gold look similar but they are not the same thing and they didn't evolve from the same thing.

There's no such thing as a "macroevolutionist". Evolution is evolution, and there's not one iota of evidence to suggest that it stops at any particular point.

What you and so many others do is to conflate religious teachings with scientific inquiry, and they simply ain't the same.

 

[Mohsen]

Were I designed, I'd expect a better result.

Work out, then!

peace

 

[metis]

See above post. I believe humans are not animals and shouldn't be classified or categorized as animals. We are humans created in God's image with souls. Apes are not.

That's the realm of religion, not science, and one shouldn't be imposing religious beliefs into the arena of science any more than science should be dictating religious beliefs.

 

[DavidFirth]

Tactics of a 5 year old. Maybe your friends are impressed. I guess your pride got a boost from that.

Try posting cartoon pics. They are much funnier and I might even chuckle a bit.

 

[DavidFirth]

That's the realm of religion, not science, and one shouldn't be imposing religious beliefs into the arena of science any more than science should be dictating religious beliefs.

Sir, your science isn't truth. It's false reality based entirely on assumptions.

I know the truth. Neither you nor any Harvard grad can deter me from it.

 

[Mohsen]

That's the realm of religion, not science, and one shouldn't be imposing religious beliefs into the arena of science any more than science should be dictating religious beliefs.

I don't believe they (science and religion) are mutually exclusive.

The Islamic Golden Age did much to fuel the enlightenment period of Europe which took it out of its' "Dark Ages".

Why, it was Ibn al Haythm (known as Al Hazen in the west) who actually gave us the Scientific Method we have today - and he did this with inference to God through his investigating the Qur'an!

Peace