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MJFlores

Well-Known Member
I base it on a number of things. I'm still waiting for an actual answer to my question. I'm not going to hold my breath, though.

Your question is what makes me think that my translation of the bible is better or correct than the next guy besides me?

I don't know that but what I know is my beliefs are in consonance and in accordance with the Bible.

Example - there is only one God, the Father while Jesus Christ was sent by the only true God
 

Jane.Doe

Active Member
Your question is what makes me think that my translation of the bible is better or correct than the next guy besides me?

I don't know that but what I know is my beliefs are in consonance and in accordance with the Bible.

Example - there is only one God, the Father while Jesus Christ was sent by the only true God
And the other guy sitting next to you (a Catholic or Baptist or Orthodox etc) also says HIS beliefs are consonance and in accordance with the Bible.
So what do you do then? One Bible, many different interpretations of that same Bible.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Your question is what makes me think that my translation of the bible is better or correct than the next guy besides me?

I don't know that but what I know is my beliefs are in consonance and in accordance with the Bible.
I get that, but people who believe differently also know that their beliefs are in accordance with the Bible. For example, I'm just guessing that you have something in your church that is the equivalent of communion or the Lord's Supper. Do you believe that when you drink the wine and eat the bread you are eating the actual flesh and blood of Jesus Christ, or something that symbolizes His flesh and blood?
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
And the other guy sitting next to you (a Catholic or Baptist or Orthodox etc) also says HIS beliefs are consonance and in accordance with the Bible.
So what do you do then? One Bible, many different interpretations of that same Bible.

A Catholic, a Baptist and an Orthodox enters a bar, they drink

However if they discuss about the Bible this is what they are expected to do:

The Catholic will just place the Bible on his lap and pray the rosary.
The Baptist will just read a verse and talk about his life experience.
The Orthodox will not even read the Bible because he has not seen that before.

Believe me, things will just be a waste of time with these three.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
A Catholic, a Baptist and an Orthodox enters a bar, they drink

However if they discuss about the Bible this is what they are expected to do:

The Catholic will just place the Bible on his lap and pray the rosary.
The Baptist will just read a verse and talk about his life experience.
The Orthodox will not even read the Bible because he has not seen that before.

Believe me, things will just be a waste of time with these three.
Since neither you nor Jane nor I are Catholic, Baptist or Orthodox, perhaps we can make some headway.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
I get that, but people who believe differently also know that their beliefs are in accordance with the Bible. For example, I'm just guessing that you have something in your church that is the equivalent of communion or the Lord's Supper. Do you believe that when you drink the wine and eat the bread you are eating the actual flesh and blood of Jesus Christ, or something that symbolizes His flesh and blood?

I would be taking the Holy Supper this March 2.
The Holy Supper is a yearly commemoration of our Lord Jesus Christ's suffering, death and resurrection.
We eat the unleavened bread [no yeast] and the juice of fruit of the vine [grape].
We dont call it communion - which is a Catholic terminology
We dont believe in transubstantiation - which again is Catholic in terminology
We eat to commemorate the new covenant
We eat to be forgiven from our sins - so we have to repent before taking the Holy Supper.
We eat to be judged, if the Lord would not forgive
The unleavened bread and the drink are not to be taken lightly
 

Jane.Doe

Active Member
A Catholic, a Baptist and an Orthodox enters a bar, they drink

However if they discuss about the Bible this is what they are expected to do:

The Catholic will just place the Bible on his lap and pray the rosary.
The Baptist will just read a verse and talk about his life experience.
The Orthodox will not even read the Bible because he has not seen that before.

Believe me, things will just be a waste of time with these three.
So your entire epistemology is based on... stereotypes to justify completely ignoring people?
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
So your entire epistemology is based on... stereotypes to justify completely ignoring people?

Based on experience - I was a Catholic and irreligious before.
The Philippines is predominantly Catholic and we have an irreligious president.


Been there, done that.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
We dont believe in transubstantiation - which again is Catholic in terminology
Okay. Mormons don't believe in transubstantiation either. But ask any knowledgeable Catholic to justify his belief in transubstantiation using the Bible and he may point you to John 6:53-55, which states, "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed." Verses 60-61 continue: "Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?" A believing Catholic will tell you that it would be absurd for anyone to be offended by merely drinking wine and eating bread that symbolized His blood and His body. Clearly, they must have been offended only because He was *supposedly* telling them that the bread and wine were actually his body and blood. Despite the fact that I understand those verses differently than a Catholic would, I can acknowledge that the Catholic has indeed provided biblical support for his beliefs.

Now you and I both see this differently than the Catholics. What I'm trying to get you to acknowledge is that certain verses (many verses, in fact) can be interpreted (i.e. understood) in different ways. Even if we were all reading the same translation, we'd end up with two different beliefs.
 
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MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Okay. Mormons don't believe in transubstantiation either. But ask any knowledgeable Catholic to justify his belief in transubstantiation using the Bible and he may point you to John 6:53-55, which states, "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed." In verses 60-61, we read, "Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?" A believing Catholic will tell you that it would be absurd for anyone to be offended by merely drinking wine and eating bread that symbolized His blood and His body. Clearly, they must have been offended only because He was *supposedly* telling them that the bread and wine were actually his body and blood. Despite the fact that I understand those verses differently than a Catholic would, I can acknowledge that the Catholic has indeed provided biblical support for his beliefs.

Now you and I both see this differently than the Catholics. What I'm trying to get you to acknowledge is that certain verses (many verses, in fact) can be interpreted (i.e. understood) in different ways. Even if we were all reading the same translation, we'd end up with two different beliefs.

Very true - 1 John 3:1
you have to know why - 2 Corinthians 4:4
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
So are you saying that everyone who does not interpret the Bible exactly the same way you do is a "blinded unbeliever"? You can't possibly really believe that.

I didn't interpret it, but you read it so I guess you hit the thought plainly.

The Bible is bigger than the both of us and the whole world combined - that I believe.

It is alive and active.Hebrews 4:12
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
I didn't interpret it, but you read it so I guess you hit the thought plainly.

The Bible is bigger than the both of us and the whole world combined - that I believe.

It is alive and active.Hebrews 4:12
Wow. I guess I just can't get my brain around that kind of everybody-who-believes-differently-from-me is a bad person.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Wow. I guess I just can't get my brain around that kind of everybody-who-believes-differently-from-me is a bad person.

Katzpur, it's difficult for me also to go there. But since I've seen it and heard it so many times now, I believe now that it is indeed an area of mind where people can go to. The extreme 'us versus them' mentality. But George bush said it too ... 'You either for us or against us'. There is absolutely no room for others at Fundamentalist Hotel.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Katzpur, it's difficult for me also to go there. But since I've seen it and heard it so many times now, I believe now that it is indeed an area of mind where people can go to. The extreme 'us versus them' mentality. But George bush said it too ... 'You either for us or against us'. There is absolutely no room for others at Fundamentalist Hotel.
That's really about the only explanation, I guess, but it's just so flippin' illogical!
 

syo

Well-Known Member
When someone ask a direct question about the religion you follow/believe in, do you feel threatened by the questions,
I feel very angry. Religion is private. I don't want people asking about religion. Then I let a minute pass and then I say religion is private, why do you ask? I wait for an answer and after I say religion is private, I answer the question. Here in the forums we are anonymous and we choose what to say. In real life, when they talk religion face to face I become angry. :mad:
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I feel very angry. Religion is private. I don't want people asking about religion. Then I let a minute pass and then I say religion is private, why do you ask? I wait for an answer and after I say religion is private, I answer the question. Here in the forums we are anonymous and we choose what to say. In real life, when they talk religion face to face I become angry. :mad:
Can i ask why you get angry?
Personally what i write in the forum is the same as i say in real world too no difference
 
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