Do you find it to be racism?

[Nimos]

Deep Space Nine had a black station commander. It was a great series.

The real question is, "Is it written well, or is it infested with politicized junk"?

That is the biggest issue, it is not written well.

The show doesn't really make any sense if you haven't seen the movies or at least know who some of the characters are. There is close to no character introduction or development at all. But if you have seen the movies, the series is so inconsistent with these movies, that it actually ruins them to the point where they don't really make sense in a lot of ways. And even within the series itself, in just the three 3 episodes released so far, it is also inconsistent. And then you add all the other stuff on top of that and you have an extremely weak tv series. So its not just the poor acting that is bad, its across the board.

 

[Nakosis]

As some of you might know a new Star wars series were just released and it is featuring a black woman as one of the core characters.

Before the show premiered Disney made this comment:
"We are proud to welcome Moses Ingram to the Star Wars family and excited for Reva’s story to unfold. If anyone intends to make her feel in any way unwelcome, we have only one thing to say: we resist."

I have watched/read about some people commenting on this, but would be interesting in hearing what people here think about it.

So the show have gotten mixed feedback from what I understand, some think its fine and others don't. One of the big criticisms is the Reva character (amongst others), which many find to be a poorly acted / written / boring character. (I share that view as I do for pretty much all the characters in the show.)

Whether you agree or might not even have seen the show is besides the point. Because what a lot of people that are complaining about this is that the show and the characters are poor and that it has nothing to do with whether this actress is of black skin color or not. And people are angry at Disney for trying to turn this into a matter of racism, like the tweet above, before the show even aired. And that making a comment like this is surely going to draw attention to this character and actress and obviously being the internet there will be people that will see an opportunity of making racists remarks and troll, but far the majority of people from what I understand are not even interested in this.

But do you find it to be racists of Disney to point out this single character/actor, even before the showed aired, simply because she is black?

Couldn't one argue that this should be of absolutely no importance whatsoever? I mean would they have pointed her out had it been played by a white actress?

Also keep in mind, that there have been other black characters in Star wars before, like Lando and Finn, which were both liked.

Obviously Disney had to "shrink" Finn on their poster, so they could sell it in China:

Yet, Disney doesn't seem to have a huge issue with this.

To me, I find it to be racist of Disney to point out these things, when there is no need. Clearly if she gets comments etc. because of her skin color afterwards, then that should be
addressed and fought, but what is the point of constantly making a difference and pointing it out? What are your thoughts on this?

I suspect it is fear by Disney of not being seen as socially conscious in the US/Canada. Whereas in China their audience has a different mindset.
They are not racist, they are capitalists. They'll promote their product in whatever way, they feel, will gain them the most profit.

 

[Audie]

As some of you might know a new Star wars series were just released and it is featuring a black woman as one of the core characters.

Before the show premiered Disney made this comment:
"We are proud to welcome Moses Ingram to the Star Wars family and excited for Reva’s story to unfold. If anyone intends to make her feel in any way unwelcome, we have only one thing to say: we resist."

I have watched/read about some people commenting on this, but would be interesting in hearing what people here think about it.

So the show have gotten mixed feedback from what I understand, some think its fine and others don't. One of the big criticisms is the Reva character (amongst others), which many find to be a poorly acted / written / boring character. (I share that view as I do for pretty much all the characters in the show.)

Whether you agree or might not even have seen the show is besides the point. Because what a lot of people that are complaining about this is that the show and the characters are poor and that it has nothing to do with whether this actress is of black skin color or not. And people are angry at Disney for trying to turn this into a matter of racism, like the tweet above, before the show even aired. And that making a comment like this is surely going to draw attention to this character and actress and obviously being the internet there will be people that will see an opportunity of making racists remarks and troll, but far the majority of people from what I understand are not even interested in this.

But do you find it to be racists of Disney to point out this single character/actor, even before the showed aired, simply because she is black?

Couldn't one argue that this should be of absolutely no importance whatsoever? I mean would they have pointed her out had it been played by a white actress?

Also keep in mind, that there have been other black characters in Star wars before, like Lando and Finn, which were both liked.

Obviously Disney had to "shrink" Finn on their poster, so they could sell it in China:

Yet, Disney doesn't seem to have a huge issue with this.

To me, I find it to be racist of Disney to point out these things, when there is no need. Clearly if she gets comments etc. because of her skin color afterwards, then that should be
addressed and fought, but what is the point of constantly making a difference and pointing it out? What are your thoughts on this?

I think Ibam glad Iblive ina multiracial city
that is not condtantly obsessed with raceraceracerace.
Will you guys ever get tired of it
and get on with life?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I think Ibam glad Iblive ina multiracial city
that is not condtantly obsessed with raceraceracerace.
Will you guys ever get tired of it
and get on with life?

America is certainly the most racially obsessed country in the world. We're neurotic about it. People from other countries are usually astonished by it, I find. I think we even put South Africa to shame, even with their history of apartheid.

 

[Audie]

I suspect it is fear by Disney of not being seen as socially conscious in the US/Canada. Whereas in China their audience has a different mindset.
They are not racist, they are capitalists. They'll promote their product in whatever way, they feel, will gain them the most profit.

Like here. Profit!
Run as fast as you can judt to stay where you are!

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[Audie]

America is certainly the most racially obsessed country in the world. We're neurotic about it. People from other countries are usually astonished by it, I find. I think we even put South Africa to shame, even with their history of apartheid.

Stop it!.
I hate agreeing with you!

 

[Nimos]

I think Ibam glad Iblive ina multiracial city
that is not condtantly obsessed with raceraceracerace.
Will you guys ever get tired of it
and get on with life?

I guess you should say that to Georg Floyd's family and friends and other people that suffers from racism. I don't get what you point is with this comment? Clearly all of us that doesn't care about skin color would be more than happy to move on, but that doesn't exactly seem like an option, does it?

 

[Nakosis]

Like here. Profit!
Run as fast as you can judt to stay where you are!

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Looks like they are finally getting around to changing the name.
Taiwan's racist toothpaste to change name in 2022 | Taiwan News | 2021-12-15 14:06:00

However....

Spoiler: Apparently no one is offended.

 

[Stevicus]

To me, I find it to be racist of Disney to point out these things, when there is no need. Clearly if she gets comments etc. because of her skin color afterwards, then that should be
addressed and fought, but what is the point of constantly making a difference and pointing it out? What are your thoughts on this?

I recall back when the first Star Wars movie came out in 1977, there were some who complained that they didn't have any black actors in the film.

On the other hand, those who would hire a black person just to prove that they're not racist might be accused of tokenism, which is still a form of racism.

I sometimes think of this whenever I see companies or college recruiting pamphlets, where they might show some students on the cover, which clearly indicates a deliberate attempt to present a racial and gender balance.

So, it may be tokenism without trying to be obvious about it.

 

[Audie]

I guess you should say that to Georg Floyd's family and friends and other people that suffers from racism. I don't get what you point is with this comment? Clearly all of us that doesn't care about skin color would be more than happy to move on, but that doesn't exactly seem like an option, does it?

You guys are welcome to wallow in it forever.

 

[Audie]

I recall back when the first Star Wars movie came out in 1977, there were some who complained that they didn't have any black actors in the film.

On the other hand, those who would hire a black person just to prove that they're not racist might be accused of tokenism, which is still a form of racism.

I sometimes think of this whenever I see companies or college recruiting pamphlets, where they might show some students on the cover, which clearly indicates a deliberate attempt to present a racial and gender balance.

So, it may be tokenism without trying to be obvious about it.

Ha. In China we're very upfront about
tokenism.
Theres always " white monkey" work for
those who want it.
Or you can shill for the CCP.
The whiter the better.

 

[Audie]

Looks like they are finally getting around to changing the name.
Taiwan's racist toothpaste to change name in 2022 | Taiwan News | 2021-12-15 14:06:00

However....

Spoiler: Apparently no one is offended.

Notice the eye shape

Robot or human?

 

[Stevicus]

Ha. In China we're very upfront about
tokenism.
Theres always " white monkey" work for
those who want it.
Or you can shill for the CCP.
The whiter the better.

Yeah, I've heard of companies in China hiring white guys just for PR purposes. Does it pay well?

 

[Audie]

Yeah, I've heard of companies in China hiring white guys just for PR purposes. Does it pay well?

I dunno.
Its very undignified tho.

 

[Stevicus]

I dunno.
Its very undignified tho.

Yeah, it does seem that way. Maybe it might appeal to someone aspiring to be a comedy actor or something.

 

[Truth in love]

As some of you might know a new Star wars series were just released and it is featuring a black woman as one of the core characters.

Before the show premiered Disney made this comment:
"We are proud to welcome Moses Ingram to the Star Wars family and excited for Reva’s story to unfold. If anyone intends to make her feel in any way unwelcome, we have only one thing to say: we resist."

I have watched/read about some people commenting on this, but would be interesting in hearing what people here think about it.

So the show have gotten mixed feedback from what I understand, some think its fine and others don't. One of the big criticisms is the Reva character (amongst others), which many find to be a poorly acted / written / boring character. (I share that view as I do for pretty much all the characters in the show.)

Whether you agree or might not even have seen the show is besides the point. Because what a lot of people that are complaining about this is that the show and the characters are poor and that it has nothing to do with whether this actress is of black skin color or not. And people are angry at Disney for trying to turn this into a matter of racism, like the tweet above, before the show even aired. And that making a comment like this is surely going to draw attention to this character and actress and obviously being the internet there will be people that will see an opportunity of making racists remarks and troll, but far the majority of people from what I understand are not even interested in this.

But do you find it to be racists of Disney to point out this single character/actor, even before the showed aired, simply because she is black?

Couldn't one argue that this should be of absolutely no importance whatsoever? I mean would they have pointed her out had it been played by a white actress?

Also keep in mind, that there have been other black characters in Star wars before, like Lando and Finn, which were both liked.

Obviously Disney had to "shrink" Finn on their poster, so they could sell it in China:

Yet, Disney doesn't seem to have a huge issue with this.

To me, I find it to be racist of Disney to point out these things, when there is no need. Clearly if she gets comments etc. because of her skin color afterwards, then that should be
addressed and fought, but what is the point of constantly making a difference and pointing it out? What are your thoughts on this?

If Disney did not have double standards they would have none.

They have not accepted that most Americans just don’t care that much about skin color. It’s like they are stuck in 1900z

 

[Nimos]

You guys are welcome to wallow in it forever.

Yeah have it the same way with child molestation, its not part of my life, so those people and children that suffers or see it as an issue, should just move on.

 

[Audie]

Yeah have it the same way with child molestation, its not part of my life, so those people and children that suffers or see it as an issue, should just move on.

If you think obsessing about every wrong of the past is the way to future, thats your mistake, its
on you.
I found a way to get beyond something far worse than you will ever experience.

 

[Nimos]

If you think obsessing about every wrong of the past is the way to future, thats your mistake, its
on you.
I found a way to get beyond something far worse than you will ever experience.

Well not dealing with issues as if they are of no concern seems to me like a bad way of doing it. If there is a problem it should be addressed and tried solved or improved at least, rather than simply ignoring it as if it is not even a problem.

Its a very strange way of looking at things in my opinion, sort of in a "if it doesn't affect me, then its not an issue or worth spending time on" kind of way.

Couldn't everyone that live now, say the same about the environment, why should we care, its probably not going to affect us anyway?

 

[Audie]

Well not dealing with issues as if they are of no concern seems to me like a bad way of doing it. If there is a problem it should be addressed and tried solved or improved at least, rather than simply ignoring it as if it is not even a problem.

Its a very strange way of looking at things in my opinion, sort of in a "if it doesn't affect me, then its not an issue or worth spending time on" kind of way.

Couldn't everyone that live now, say the same about the environment, why should we care, its probably not going to affect us anyway?

Someone suggestrd " not dealing with"?