Do you find it to be racism?

[Nimos]

Someone suggestrd " not dealing with"?

Is there a difference?

If everyone said as you did, wouldn't that result in a "not dealing with" or do you think that racism is purely an issue for black people and therefore they should be the ones dealing with it, as I said I don't understand what you meant with that comment you started out making?

Am I wrong in understanding what you said as meaning that "If something doesn't directly affect me then it is not an issue, worth spending time on"?

 

[Audie]

Is there a difference?

If everyone said as you did, wouldn't that result in a "not dealing with" or do you think that racism is purely an issue for black people and therefore they should be the one dealing with it, as I said I don't understand what you mean with that comment you started out making?

Am I wrong in understanding what you said as meaning that "If something doesn't directly affect me then it is not an issue, worth spending time on"?

Rong on all counts

 

[Nimos]

Rong on all counts

Fair enough

So who was this directed at or what did you mean by it:
I think Ibam glad Iblive ina multiracial city
that is not condtantly obsessed with raceraceracerace.
Will you guys ever get tired of it
and get on with life?

 

[Audie]

Fair enough

So who was this directed at or what did you mean by it:
I think Ibam glad Iblive ina multiracial city
that is not condtantly obsessed with raceraceracerace.
Will you guys ever get tired of it
and get on with life?

The constant barrage of race this race that,
is that somehow a solution?
Not every freaking thing is about race.

Mom tells me when she was in the USA
" homeless" was the obsession.

 

[Nimos]

The constant barrage of race this race that,
is that somehow a solution?
Not every freaking thing is about race.

Mom tells me when she was in the USA
" homeless" was the obsession.

Well what is it about then and what solution do you see that would solve this? or do you just mean that not everything is about racism? And people should be more concerned about one of the 10000 other issues that torment the human race and our planet?

What if someone came and said a similar thing about the homeless or about starving people or children getting molested or what other thing that is an issue in the world, or is it just because you don't personally think that racism is as important as the environment or war or whatever thing you find more relevant?

 

[Audie]

Well what is it about then and what solution do you see that would solve this? or do you just mean that not everything is about racism? And people should be more concerned about one of the 10000 other issues that torment the human race and our planet?

What if someone came and said a similar thing about the homeless or about starving people or children getting molested or what other thing that is an issue in the world, or is it just because you don't personally think that racism is as important as the environment or war or whatever thing you find more relevant?

You are ranting at someone who onlyexists
in your head, perhaps to give an illusion
of moral high ground.
Get over yourself.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What are your

It's why Star Trek is better. It had all that and more WAY before it became Hollywood trendy.

 

[Nimos]

You are ranting at someone who only exidts in your head, prrhaps to give an illusion of moral
high ground.
Brt over yourself.

Nevermind then, I thought your statement were based on an argument and not just some random comment, have nothing to do with morality.

 

[Nimos]

It's why Star Trek is better. It had all that and more WAY before it became Hollywood trendy.

Yeah, I like Star trek as well. At at least the good old ones, haven't really gotten hooked on the new ones, for some reason they seem to suffer from some of the same issues as Star wars.

I tried to watch some of the Star trek Discovery I think it is, but I just couldn't stand the main character, her attitude were extremely annoying I think. So had to give up on that.

And have heard a lot of bad things about the Picard one as well, so haven't bothered watching that either. Some of the newer movies were decent enough I think, despite most of the characters are being rather childish in their behavior compared to the older Star trek, but guess that is just the new trend, that characters has to express unrealistic or over the top emotions, because its more action packed or something, don't know. But it does make the whole idea of a structured Star trek with chain of command etc. seem more like a couple of school children rather than highly trained officers.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yeah, I like Star trek as well. At at least the good old ones, haven't really gotten hooked on the new ones, for some reason they seem to suffer from some of the same issues as Star wars.

I tried to watch some of the Star trek Discovery I think it is, but I just couldn't stand the main character, her attitude were extremely annoying I think. So had to give up on that.

And have heard a lot of bad things about the Picard one as well, so haven't bothered watching that either. Some of the newer movies were decent enough I think, despite most of the characters are being rather childish in their behavior compared to the older Star trek, but guess that is just the new trend, that characters has to express unrealistic or over the top emotions, because its more action packed or something, don't know. But it does make the whole idea of a structured Star trek with chain of command etc. seem more like a couple of school children rather than highly trained officers.

I just call everything after TNG fan fiction. Because it basically is. Although I did enjoy DS9, and it features one of my favorite ST episodes (Under the Pale Moonlight).
Amd I agree, after Roddenberry died it changed and suffered and very quickly warped into something it's not (like Sisko accepting his role as a religious prophet, more action and less philosophy).

 

[Nimos]

I just call everything after TNG fan fiction. Because it basically is. Although I did enjoy DS9, and it features one of my favorite ST episodes (Under the Pale Moonlight).
Amd I agree, after Roddenberry died it changed and suffered and very quickly warped into something it's not (like Sisko accepting his role as a religious prophet, more action and less philosophy).

Yeah have it the same way with Star wars to be honest. I know some about the Star trek universe, but mostly its like how the characters behave etc. and the tone of the show. And its not like they can't develop it, but as with Star wars these people don't care about anything really, its just about making money on behalf these franchises and whether they destroy them or not, doesn't really seem to matter.

I think this is a great example of what I mean, about how the behavior and tone of Star trek have changed, despite their behavior is actual explained or addressed in the actual lore. But these people don't care at all, I think its more of a mixture of the producers wanting to stand out as these geniuses trying to pull their own touch it rather than realizing the creators vision, so I agree its a mixture of fan fiction, which is not necessarily bad, but in other cases they are directly hurting the original work done by the creator:

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yeah have it the same way with Star wars to be honest. I know some about the Star trek universe, but mostly its like how the characters behave etc. and the tone of the show. And its not like they can't develop it, but as with Star wars these people don't care about anything really, its just about making money on behalf these franchises and whether they destroy them or not, doesn't really seem to matter.

I think this is a great example of what I mean, about how the behavior and tone of Star trek have changed, despite their behavior is actual explained or addressed in the actual lore. But these people don't care at all, I think its more of a mixture of the producers wanting to stand out as these geniuses trying to pull their own touch it rather than realizing the creators vision, so I agree its a mixture of fan fiction, which is not necessarily bad, but in other cases they are directly hurting the original work done by the creator:

No surprise there's very few examples from from Star Trek, with the newer fan fics dominating the video.
Granted, I do think Star Trek got a bit moral stuffy and preachy at times, amd sometimes seemed to forget are human (especially when Troi let a computer talk her out of a real chocolate milkshake, and what we learn about the food replicators in that scene), but it seems a shame we don't expect much from our story heroes anymore. Granted TV standards probably played some role, but the crew of the Enterprise used to represent much of the best qualities of humans, and they looked better for refraining from profanity.
Now it's a bunch of interchangeable meatheads.

 

[Stevicus]

Yeah have it the same way with Star wars to be honest. I know some about the Star trek universe, but mostly its like how the characters behave etc. and the tone of the show. And its not like they can't develop it, but as with Star wars these people don't care about anything really, its just about making money on behalf these franchises and whether they destroy them or not, doesn't really seem to matter.

I think this is a great example of what I mean, about how the behavior and tone of Star trek have changed, despite their behavior is actual explained or addressed in the actual lore. But these people don't care at all, I think its more of a mixture of the producers wanting to stand out as these geniuses trying to pull their own touch it rather than realizing the creators vision, so I agree its a mixture of fan fiction, which is not necessarily bad, but in other cases they are directly hurting the original work done by the creator:

I think the timing also might explain some of the differences. Star Trek The Original Series started in the mid-1960s, a time of political tumult, so the political aspects reflected the times. Perhaps some of it was overdone, but it still remains a classic series and a longtime fan favorite. It did even better through the 70s in syndication.

Star Wars was a different kettle of fish, since it came out in 1977, when the public had grown weary of politics and were ready for escapism. It wasn't really political, and it really had no deep plot. But it was fun, and people enjoyed it - and some kids went to see it multiple times (no VCRs back in those days).

I think TNG came out 10 years later, although that was after several Star Trek movies were made. But it seemed more reflective of the time it was in, the 1980s. There were still some political episodes, though.

 

[Nimos]

No surprise there's very few examples from from Star Trek, with the newer fan fics dominating the video.
Granted, I do think Star Trek got a bit moral stuffy and preachy at times, amd sometimes seemed to forget are human (especially when Troi let a computer talk her out of a real chocolate milkshake, and what we learn about the food replicators in that scene), but it seems a shame we don't expect much from our story heroes anymore. Granted TV standards probably played some role, but the crew of the Enterprise used to represent much of the best qualities of humans, and they looked better for refraining from profanity.
Now it's a bunch of interchangeable meatheads.

Agree, also its fun with some variety in characters, Star trek were always very "noble" or what to say, both in how they behaved but also the characters a lot of the time actually had dialogs rather than just firing off one liners in a steady stream, mixed with a lot of outbursts and constant cursing.

If you look at one like Darth Vader or even the emperor in the original Star wars, they had intelligence behind them, they were not just going around yelling and being evil just for doing so. Whereas in the newer Star wars, these new bad guys have no consistent personality, they are pretty much all just very angry children that just yell and scream and kill/hurt everything around them, because they have to be evil.

 

[Nimos]

I think the timing also might explain some of the differences. Star Trek The Original Series started in the mid-1960s, a time of political tumult, so the political aspects reflected the times. Perhaps some of it was overdone, but it still remains a classic series and a longtime fan favorite. It did even better through the 70s in syndication.

Star Wars was a different kettle of fish, since it came out in 1977, when the public had grown weary of politics and were ready for escapism. It wasn't really political, and it really had no deep plot. But it was fun, and people enjoyed it - and some kids went to see it multiple times (no VCRs back in those days).

I think TNG came out 10 years later, although that was after several Star Trek movies were made. But it seemed more reflective of the time it was in, the 1980s. There were still some political episodes, though.

What I like about Star trek in that regard is that it is suppose to be in the future and from the clip you can see that Kirk indicate that all this cursing were how people used to talk. And even though its minor details and its not the biggest problem, I still think it shows that the creator at least thought about how language might evolve etc.

In regards to Star wars it is highly political I would say, its basically about the fall of democracy and the rise of tyranny, suppression, hope and good versus evil. But its not like stupid evil. The empire were created under the excuse of being able to deliver something better and more secure, than a failing democracy. Even the officers clothing are highly inspired by nazi uniforms I would say. The fact that they are hunting down a minority group in form of the Jedi's etc. But it obviously depends how you understand the story, but its not just a mindless movie like independence day, not that there is anything wrong with that