Do You Know Why You Don't Believe?

[Japaholic]

God is what trancends intellectual thought, God is everything in the universe we dont understand. God simply IS.

Whats gone wrong is that (he says picking on 2 religions in particular)humans have used this to their advantage and exploited it for gain. What Jesus and Mohammed said is used to justify atrocities the world over.

As for redemption? That will only happen when people reclaim what is theirs and say NOT IN MY NAME.

Priests jailed for sexual abuse, Immams preaching murder. Not in my name, my God does not sanction that. Thus, in a rather large nutshell, I can not call myself Christian nor Muslim.

I am devine, I have a mind which is powerful and wonderful. Thing is, so do you.

Spiritual freedom comes from having absolute faith in yourself and from living a good life to the best of your abilities. A label only ties you down. I am as happy in a Mosque, A Church or a Buddhist Temple. I can pray in any of them.

And for those who believe in nothing, a prayer can give you focus and cement the direction your lifes going to take. Its like making an oath to yourself. Surely an athiest can believe in themselves???

 

[Sententia]

God is what trancends intellectual thought

Then how would you know? Its nice you have an opinion though.

 

[Luminous]

I am an overuser of reason and logic. That is why i do not know.

We are all born "Agnostic" and we stay agnostic, whether we admit it or not.

 

[LuisDantas]

What is the reason you don't believe in God? Or the reason you're not absolutely positively sure God exists?

I'd guess the number one reason is because people see bad things happening all around them and can't understand why God would allow it to happen.

How would you rate the other reasons not to believe?

You're right about the main reason. I don't know about the others. It seems too arbitrary and unstable a measure to take; I feel that it would change every time I thought about it.

Now the key question, where would you rate your own ego as a reason and do you realize it's the main reason?

I have no idea. Quite frankly, it is of no importance whatsoever, not worth thinking about even. I feel so because I have long realized that believing in God is not at all something worth attempting, and in fact is a very minor and strictly personal religious matter.

The world, after all, is pretty much the same for theists and atheists. What does possibly change is our own internal stance to it, and it is self-defeating to demand ourselves to believe (or to unbelieve) out of some expectation of how things "should" be.

That said, I'm a bit curious: do you think that there is some significant participation of "ego" in disbelief in God? If so, why/how?

 

[Naturalist_Atheist]

Do you realize, SuperUniverse. That you, as well as all the other theistic people in the world believe in God only for selfish reasons?

You don't like the fact that the universe is amoral. That it doesn't care about you. You can't stand to have something bigger or more grand than YOU. So you have to believe that there was a guy who created all this, and he did it just for you. Because he loves you. Aw.. You're so special.

 

[Naturalist_Atheist]

I am an overuser of reason and logic. That is why i do not know.

We are all born "Agnostic" and we stay agnostic, whether we admit it or not.

Then why bother to label ourselves as such? I don't see the point if everyone is agnostic. It's like asking someone where they were born and them responding, "Earth." Well no duh it's Earth. No duh you're agnostic.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Do you realize, SuperUniverse. That you, as well as all the other theistic people in the world believe in God only for selfish reasons?

You paint with a wide brush, sloppy strokes, and unwarranted arrogance.

 

[Darkwater]

God is ********.......never the less I encourage my oldest sonm to go to church,so he says."meh.this religion thing is not for me,I'm just not into all that *god* stuff"

So I say *me & your young brother(3) like it* .......they both kiss it off.

So that is how it is in my house.S'pose it is all down to the mother,who is NOT into religious stuff unless it fits her very narrow minded agenda.

ahem.

 

[UnTheist]

Can arrogance ever be warranted?

 

[Naturalist_Atheist]

You paint with a wide brush, sloppy strokes, and unwarranted arrogance.

I love this guy. Always full of himself. Always throwing around his witty little metaphors. Keep up the good work buddy. My post was meant to be taken sarcastically. It was my response to the OP, which I felt was conveying the same arrogant message on the opposite side of the coin. Oh well.... See you in the next thread. :run:

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It was my response to the OP, which I felt was conveying the same arrogant message on the opposite side of the coin. Oh well....

What you said was ...

Do you realize, SuperUniverse. That you, as well as all the other theistic people in the world believe in God only for selfish reasons?​

It was a pathetically stupid (not to mention sloppy) statement. Would you care to defend it? No? I thought not.

 

[Naturalist_Atheist]

What you said was ...

Do you realize, SuperUniverse. That you, as well as all the other theistic people in the world believe in God only for selfish reasons?
​

It was a pathetically stupid (not to mention sloppy) statement. Would you care to defend it? No? I thought not.

Once again. It was meant to be sarcastic. Would I care to defend it. Of course not. I don't believe it. But I used the same "logic" the OP used to make his/her "point." I was, what I felt, obviously making light of the OP's reasoning when he/she created a thread, asking atheists/nonbelievers why they do not believe, and then at the same time telling them why they do not believe.

It's just as stupid to say people believe in gods because they're selfish as it is to say people don't believe in gods because they are egotistical.

Oh but who am I anyway. I mean come on now... I don't even know what "Ontology" or "Epistemology" mean. I must be completely ignorant on every issue.(Just a heads up, this is more sarcasm. If you're having a hard time keeping up again.)

Now do you care to ignore me again and take my original post out of context once more? I feel like I'm going in circles here. I await your next smug response.

 

[Naturalist_Atheist]

What I said was...

Do you realize, SuperUniverse. That you, as well as all the other theistic people in the world believe in God only for selfish reasons?

What the OP said was...

Now the key question, where would you rate your own ego as a reason and do you realize it's the main reason?

...As related to disbelief. And ALL disbeleivers.

Both statments are equally retarded. The only difference is the OP meant what he said. I did not.

 

[Japaholic]

Can arrogance ever be warranted?

arrogance – noun, offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.


You could argue that one mans arrogance is another mans confidence. If I think I am right about a particular topic I may stand up and argue for my own standpoint. Is that arrogance? Is that bigotry? Or - is that my own confidence being misinterpreted due to my lack of appropriate language to express myself fully?

I have met some folk over the years who through a lack of eloquence are often misunderstood.

However, knowingly displaying arrogance to others is never warrented. Great in theory, difficult in practice.