I'm very, very tired. I have been for a long time.
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Do you look forward to death?
- Thread starter Spiderman
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The question wasn't about fear of death. I am not looking forwards to it. But at the same time, fear of death strikes me as unhealthy. I known people who really struggle with the concept of death, and letting others go, and there appears an element of imagining themselves as the corpse.
Ultimately, I'm going to die one day. I accept that, and think I have fairly healthy attitudes to death, and to living. But I have absolutely no reason to look FORWARDS to death at this point.
Your profile says you are 24. Why are you so very, very tired?
All you need is a challenge, mate...
Here's one...
Stupid Windows 10 broke my CKII Steam instance.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
dying lays to every gesture of my hand
it stands behind me at my shoulder
it chases me in my dreams
literally
I believe we crossover to the Presence of those....
who think and feel.....just like we do
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Me too...I have many souls I invoke...I feel their presence intensely. They are more alive than we are. I look forward to joining them.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
i see past relatives in my dreams
but i have no visitations
I suspect my situation to be hands off
God and heaven are awaiting to see......'How is THIS one going to turn out?!"
I suggest a large amount of plastic explosive. Preferably somewhere underneath a Microsoft office.
Pain. Just constant pain. During the day, in my sleep. It's been this way since I was 14 or so, maybe earlier. And it only gets worse. It will only ever get worse. My spine, my joints, only ever going to get worse. Then there's just stuff that's happened that I want to genuinely forget. I don't want to be reincarnated, I don't want memories of my life, I don't want anything after this. I just want an end point.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Hm. I haven't had that. I've been a very devoted-yes, devoted how many say ritualistic-devoted Christian in the short time I practiced. I had all the ups and downs, struggles, prayers, laughter, and heart-break of experiencing the passion on a daily basis. If anything, I think that my devotion is closer to being a nun than a lay believer. I visited a monastery just for that. Christianity isn't always what's inside that counts.
But dreams? Not everyone experiences Christ the same way and many people who do, actually do walk way because the more they learn about Christ and the Bible, the more they do not want to follow. Hard to believe? It is true no false and not something they did wrong or "didn't follow the right direction." Their direction is fine. No confusion. They knew what they were doing.
Not everyone is a luke-warm believer. Even to say that is belittling the very people who do have faith but are weak in it. They are spiritually growing and I've seen people grow and I've seen people fall but one thing both always depend on in their struggles and strength is Christ. If Christ said that you can only have faith of a mustard seed, what christian has the right to tell another his or her faith is luke warm.
Not everyone gets the spirit of Christ. When people do, not everyone wants to follow that spirit. It doesn't mean they are misguided, misunderstood, lost, or in between. It just means they made an informed, spiritual decision to walk away from Christ.
Can you imagine that?
Sometimes, yes. Sometimes, no. At the moment, I want to live but that could change depending on how things go.
I'm sorry to hear of your condition. But why does separation from your body into a place of serene happiness sound unappealing?
If I can remember what it was like before, it hasn't really gone away.
Rapha
Active Member
If Christ knows a technique will work, then He will do it that way. Some get messages via visions, fluke events, strangers saying something unique to them in the street and dreams.
Then it seems the Bible is belittling as i simply repeated what God has already written in His Word.
Revelation 3:16
So because you are lukewarm — neither hot nor cold — I am about to spit you out of My mouth!
Maybe this is why people turn away, because they cannot handle the truth.
Jesus is quite willing to help everyone return to Him. A simple prayer asking for a dream to be given to them that they will remember is all that is needed. There are no limitations as to what He can do.
Maybe i know what i know because my time is up. Hence, as you said, the luke warm believers are luke warm because they still have time to grow in Faith.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
shall we start thread with your post as op?
meghanwaterlillies
Well-Known Member
Your death would be absolutely useless and I don't mean on usury like lets see how much you can spread like butter, I mean on life itself, I have a defined name for Him. I would be turning to the living.
Even the greatest logic and/or emotion could define suicide or martyrdom or even supposed observed phycology as enlightenment or for all religious "purposes" or place. But it really doesn't.. And you may need no definite scripture ideology or exact form time or space to define it.
God could act anyway. Credit where credit is due.
However wasn't it described iconic "word of God" what I mean is it's described just like that in the beginning of John.. I meant the gospel of John.
So it starts with a witness to the light. Repentance is stated in it and that being was a word that Got crucified.
I don't have time to go all the way through it, no worries, but if you read it carefully it's mixed and mingled together.
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Not all people leave the church because of the church. A lot of us a genuine and very much a fact that we do not believe in god nor do we jesus. It has nothing to do with rejection, bad experiences, and so forth. It's just pure plain knowing god does not exist.
Can you understand that?
Can you put yourself in their shoes and try to believe that?
When I first voted it was 10 to 1. 10 people looking forward, 1 not. That surprised me big time. Even right now, having it be more that are, than not, I'm curious what others think about that?
I do take "look forward" to mean have a positive feeling about death/transition, but as I was responding, I saw it a bit neutral, in that you are honestly thinking about the topic (often) and thus looking forward to that moment, but not necessarily positive about it. Under the neutral consideration, it would be odd to find people that don't, IMHO.
I feel like I was pretty young when I realized no one knows what happens for sure, and so why is that reason (alone) to be afraid? Could easily be 'the best thing that ever happens to you' and so could be something to truly look forward to. Obviously, the flip side is true in that it could be the worst thing. It's not like we have zero stories about such a thing (i.e. near death experiences), so there's that information.
My spiritual position is that surely we go on, that death to ego (individual self) likely occurs and true self emerges / lives on (and that this true self is alive right now, fully aware of everything you've ever been up to, are up to now). Afterlife, as a concept barely makes sense to me, if life technically never stops. Would be like calling today 'afterlife' considering that my yesterday self is now dead and I've transitioned to this 'new self' or 'new life.' Also helps that God, ancestors, angels, etc. are all 'dead' by the way we use that term and yet still very much alive and communicating. Might be interpreted as 'make believe,' but then again, this life in the physical can, rather easily, be understood as (more) make believe.
I do take "look forward" to mean have a positive feeling about death/transition, but as I was responding, I saw it a bit neutral, in that you are honestly thinking about the topic (often) and thus looking forward to that moment, but not necessarily positive about it. Under the neutral consideration, it would be odd to find people that don't, IMHO.
I feel like I was pretty young when I realized no one knows what happens for sure, and so why is that reason (alone) to be afraid? Could easily be 'the best thing that ever happens to you' and so could be something to truly look forward to. Obviously, the flip side is true in that it could be the worst thing. It's not like we have zero stories about such a thing (i.e. near death experiences), so there's that information.
My spiritual position is that surely we go on, that death to ego (individual self) likely occurs and true self emerges / lives on (and that this true self is alive right now, fully aware of everything you've ever been up to, are up to now). Afterlife, as a concept barely makes sense to me, if life technically never stops. Would be like calling today 'afterlife' considering that my yesterday self is now dead and I've transitioned to this 'new self' or 'new life.' Also helps that God, ancestors, angels, etc. are all 'dead' by the way we use that term and yet still very much alive and communicating. Might be interpreted as 'make believe,' but then again, this life in the physical can, rather easily, be understood as (more) make believe.