Do you prefer Michelle Obama or Gavin Newsom for U.S. President?

[Twilight Hue]

Of course they're oppressive totalitarian regimes, which is why it's silly to compare them to democrats, who by global standards are right of center.
Europe is more left/liberal than the U.S., so why aren't those countries Soviet analogs? They have better worker rights, high standard of living, etc. and we're not even near the top when it comes to freedom.

https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world

Freedom Index by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

Standard of Living by Country | Quality of Life by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

Now let's have a look at the political compass:

Republicans are typically in the upper right quadrant, whereas democrats are typically in the lower left (communists would be upper left).

No. It's the fact that socialists are accepted and even embraced as members of the Democrat party making the party a liability and threat to this nation.

A silly dumb graphic isn't going to change that fact.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's such blatant projection, and to my mind them acknowledging that Trump is what they claim about Biden. They seem to be using these inaccurate words to normalize what Trump has done, and is: an authoritarian that does not honor his oath of office, nor values democracy. Anyone who supports Trump has to hold the same anti-democratic values, Trump does not offer anything more advantageous to America than Chris Christies, except the huge middle finger to the rule of law, democracy, to democrats, etc.

Their sense of morality is shallow, selective, sanctimonious, and hypocritical. They're devoid of honor.

 

[Wandering Monk]

No. It's the fact that socialists are accepted and even embraced as members of the Democrat party making the party a liability and threat to this nation.

A silly dumb graphic isn't going to change that fact.

Do you even know what a socialist is, or are you just using buzz words?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you even know what a socialist is, or are you just using buzz words?

Typical stupid tactic used consistently. Duh u no what a socialist is??.... duh.

Let's just say socialists have no place in US government.

 

[Father Heathen]

No. It's the fact that socialists are accepted and even embraced as members of the Democrat party making the party a liability and threat to this nation.

A silly dumb graphic isn't going to change that fact.

This is why nobody here takes you seriously.

 

[Father Heathen]

Do you even know what a socialist is, or are you just using buzz words?

"socialist" = anything conservatives don't like or understand.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This is why nobody here takes you seriously.

That's because a good number here are Socialists and communists themselves.

Not surprised given the political disposition present.

 

[F1fan]

Their sense of morality is shallow, selective, sanctimonious, and hypocritical. They're devoid of honor.

Remember back when republicans bragged about being the party of family values? They knew themselves well enough many years ago to drop that absurdity, even their own voters would laugh. What has their moral framework become? An extreme assault against any right and liberty that democrats defend. It's odd that DeSantis is doing so poorly since he is so deliberate as being anti-woke, that's what the conservative voter wants. Could it be many of them don't want to be so obvious, and prefer a more covert attack against liberalism and democracy? Trump is talented as a deviant in knowing how to vilify others, and the rest of the republican candidates lack that talent even though they try to hard to be a cheap copy. It's sad to see these folks attempt being "tough on woke" and their audience offers just a smattering of applause. That's gotta hurt the ego.

 

[F1fan]

That's because a good number here are Socialists and communists themselves.

Not surprised given the political disposition present.

No they aren't. And even if they were, don;t you think the citizens have the freedom to vote for what works for them?

 

[Twilight Hue]

No they aren't. And even if they were, don;t you think the citizens have the freedom to vote for what works for them?

BS. One look in the socialist only and communist only DIRs will give you all the information in the raw as to who those people are.

Socialist and Communist ideology is not supportive of freedom in the least , so no , it will not work for anybody but the fans of those systems.

As a reminder this is America, not Communist China or Socialist Venezuela

 

[Sand Dancer]

The very fact open socialists/Marxists are, is, has , and will be completely and fully accepted into the Democrat party without nary a peep, a rebuttal , outrage, complaint, objection, or rebuke is telling that modern day Democrats have embraced Socialists and Marxists as being one of them.

That's the fact of the matter as it stands.

The left has centrist people, as well as Socialists, and the right has centrist people, as well as Fascists. We need 4 parties instead of just two.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The left has normal people, as well as Socialists, and the right has normal people, as well as Fascists. We need 4 parties instead of just two.

That would weed out the cancer.

 

[Sand Dancer]

That would weed out the cancer.

I don't know why we haven't done this by now.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I don't know why we haven't done this by now.

Because they know that by themselves, they can't win, so the tactic is to intentionally infiltrate and force a transition of parties whom in the past, would never ever accept any socialist and fascist persons into their ranks and call them their own.

Unfortunately the cancer is well on its way for a political takeover unless something is done about it before it is too late.

Imo the Democrat party is already Socialist now in its ideology.

 

[metis]

Do you even know what a socialist is, or are you just using buzz words?

Even though the above was not meant for me, my experience is that so many on the right stereotype them and assume they're Marxists. Bernie Sanders is a self-proclaimed "Scandinavian-style socialist", and yet I betcha so many assume he's a "communist".

BTW, same with some others, such as AOC.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Even though the above was not meant for me, my experience is that so many on the right stereotype them and assume they're Marxists. Bernie Sanders is a self-proclaimed "Scandinavian-style socialist", and yet I betcha so many assume he's a "communist".

BTW, same with some others, such as AOC.

This is my take on what socialism is now in the US and what it has accomplished so far... A Combat Marine of 100 years brought to tears.

 

[Father Heathen]

Remember back when republicans bragged about being the party of family values? They knew themselves well enough many years ago to drop that absurdity, even their own voters would laugh. What has their moral framework become? An extreme assault against any right and liberty that democrats defend. It's odd that DeSantis is doing so poorly since he is so deliberate as being anti-woke, that's what the conservative voter wants. Could it be many of them don't want to be so obvious, and prefer a more covert attack against liberalism and democracy? Trump is talented as a deviant in knowing how to vilify others, and the rest of the republican candidates lack that talent even though they try to hard to be a cheap copy. It's sad to see these folks attempt being "tough on woke" and their audience offers just a smattering of applause. That's gotta hurt the ego.

For them, it isn't about right or wrong, nor true or false, but rather win or lose. They've long and loudly bellowed about freedom, law and order, morality, democracy, etc. but they've demonstrated that they'll toss it all in the trash without hesitation if they find it politically advantageous to do so.

 

[Revoltingest]

"socialist" = anything conservatives don't like or understand.

To be fair, liberals mis-use the term
"socialism" as much as conservatives.
It's a post-dictionary age we live in.

What definition do you use?

 

[Father Heathen]

That's because a good number here are Socialists and communists themselves.

Not surprised given the political disposition present.

No, it's because by dismissing the political compass as "a dumb, silly graphic" it demonstrates either an inability or unwillingness to understand how the spectrum actually works. Without that understanding, you have no business attempting to debate the topic. Nobody is interested in your one dimensional cartoon perspective.

 

[Father Heathen]

This is my take on what socialism is now in the US and what it has accomplished so far... A Combat Marine of 100 years brought to tears.

What do you suppose he's crying about in particular? LGBT rights? Racial equality? Reproductive freedom?