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Do you prefer Michelle Obama or Gavin Newsom for U.S. President?

Patrick66

Member
Their sense of morality

It's always a laugh to see abortionists preaching about morality!

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F1fan

Veteran Member
That's true as well.

Obviously at present this country has socialist aspects , most obvious clear example would be the Post Office completely run and controlled by the government.

The issue is harm. Like turning things that are completely legal today into something illegal tomorrow, which to me is more often than not, a proverbial nail into the coffin of freedom. Weither it's miniscule or huge, a nail is a nail and compulsary legislation is a key driver.
Freedom is never one sided. Take guns as an example, the freedom to own them means many citizens lose their right to life. Which is more important as rights go?
It should be about winning hearts and minds, not forcefully cramming things down ones throat that dosent meet a particular ideology.
Like trying to get women more access to contraception and reproductive care rather than outlawing abortion services?
If elective legislation were employed more often I don't think things would be as bad as they are now.
Give us examples.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
I believe one or the other will be America's next president. I believe it's Michelle's for the taking, if she wants the job. Would you be happy with either or do you prefer another?
I don't think either can run based on their records. Although competence does not appear to matter to Democrat voters. It may be more about puppets and sound bites; TV show Presidents. Michelle has no real record and her running would draw attention to former President Obama, who was never put through the wringer about his worse than Nixonian spying of candidate Trump. Biden set a precedent of putting ex-presidents through the wringer. Neither Obamas may not want that much legal attention drawn to the past.

Newsom's state of California is bleeding people and businesses. They are moving out to other to states that are more sane, competent and safe. Imagine him as president causing people to flee America. Maybe the Democrats can run them as a third party team in a third world country to increase the pace of people leaving there and immigrating to America.

Just yesterday the friendly battle between networks again made Fox News the number one watched News Station by a large margin. They dominate all the main time slots. Fox is not as biased as they had been, and are increasing their audience in the middle. The main reason for continued rise, is the Left wing news stations are failing to report important news, so they can run cover for the Bidens and Swamp. Fox is running these stories like any good and honest journalist should. America can see the contrast, and the lack of responsible journalism is harming the other News companies as people flee like leaving California. As these News Organization start to hemorrhage money, they may need to go back to their roots and become responsible journalists, then the game of fake news will be over. This will make it tough on the Democrats.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The downside of Biden is that his senile dementia is becoming too obvious to hide and will be far worse by 2028, assuming that he's even alive by then.
I've listened to him a great deal, and I don't see evidence of any serious dementia. Yes, as we age, we will slip more often, but Biden also has the advantage of decades of experience behind him.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Just yesterday the friendly battle between networks again made Fox News the number one watched News Station by a large margin. They dominate all the main time slots.
Fox is not a news station, and it was that way from the get-go when Murdoch stated that he created it to reflect a conservative bent.
Fox is not as biased as they had been, and are increasing their audience in the middle.
There's some improvement mainly during the afternoon shows, but the 8-11 p.m. time slots are still heavily pushing pro-Trump propaganda.
The main reason for continued rise, is the Left wing news stations are failing to report important news, so they can run cover for the Bidens and Swamp.

PolitiFact is used by both sides of the isle, of course they're happy to talk about this when it suits them, but the networks have been rated for accuracy by PolitiFact and at least three other independent sources, and their results were quite similar. Most accurate are 1. PBS NewsHour and then 2. CNN. Least accurate are 1. Fox and then 2. MSNBC. The newer stations, such as NewsMax were not tested as far as I've seen.

Note that these evaluations were not judging bias-- only accuracy in news reporting.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
I've listened to him a great deal, and I don't see evidence of any serious dementia. Yes, as we age, we will slip more often, but Biden also has the advantage of decades of experience behind him.

Which has become more apparent during the last few days abroad. As a young man he had a pronounced stuttering problem and overcame it.
So yes sometimes gives him a problem. I loved how he made a campaign add from the mouth of Marjory Taylor Green.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist

pearl

Well-Known Member
Exactly. And if Biden supposedly has serious dementia, then how are we to regard Trump's level of brain activity?

Notice the fourth - grade language he reads from a teleprompter. He can neither write nor read with any intelligence. His only concern is himself, always has been.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Notice the fourth - grade language he reads from a teleprompter. He can neither write nor read with any intelligence. His only concern is himself, always has been.
And it also one of the reasons he refuses to testify, and I betcha he won't tomorrow as scheduled either.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Freedom is never one sided. Take guns as an example, the freedom to own them means many citizens lose their right to life. Which is more important as rights go?

Like trying to get women more access to contraception and reproductive care rather than outlawing abortion services?

Give us examples.
Did you hear about a bill being proposed by the Conservatives. It will extend the child care credits and health insurance to the unborn. If I am not mistaking, bonus will start after 6 weeks of pregnancy. Six weeks is when unborn females start to get their lifetime of eggs. Males get their equivalent at birth. This will put the Left in a bind, since they will be afraid to appear to be anti-child care or anti-girl, but they will still need to appease their abortion base.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Did you hear about a bill being proposed by the Conservatives. It will extend the child care credits and health insurance to the unborn.
Ah, socialized medicine. Excellent. What about other citizens that are alive and breathing? This sounds like more games by the right.

If they want to spend money by supporting poor women and their reproductive care I would support it, and hope they spend more money on expanding more healthcare access.
If I am not mistaking, bonus will start after 6 weeks of pregnancy. Six weeks is when unborn females start to get their lifetime of eggs. Males get their equivalent at birth. This will put the Left in a bind, since they will be afraid to appear to be anti-child care or anti-girl, but they will still need to appease their abortion base.
Ah, this is just a game for republicans, not actual concern about the public.
 
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