Do you read the Bible empirically, that is, apart from personal bias and/or denominational interpretations?

[Eddi]

How much of what sort of bias is kinda important.
I keep seeing " bias" spoken of as if it's one thing.

True Believers think every it's a sacred book, every word
utterly profound, infallible, eternal.


That's how you get yecs, who have journeyed beyond all
reach of facts, logic, or reason. Zero chance of reconsideration of any sort for any reason. Objectivity? Ha.
That's the grim spectre of Bias.

Now, one might read a flight schedule, a student
might read his grade report, hoping for better news.

But the sane among us don't go into denial.

And ftm, reading the Bible in the most scholarly way
only emphasizes the deep bias hat the Truth is in there
somewhere, that this work is somehow worth devoting
ones life to it.

The level of sanity in that is open to question. Imo.

If b skpticism is " bias", in some negative way that suggests it interferes with accurate perception the, imo.
both skepticism and bias have lost all meaning as words.

To me any book, whether novel, text, history, or
" sacred" can be read in the same way in that
it should be read with an open mind alert to find
find what is in there, whatever it may be.

I don't think the bible is holy, I think it is a compendium of myths

Which is not to say it is without value

But I can only read it as myself

I can't read it as anyone else

Does this even need saying?

 

[Audie]

I don't think the bible is holy, I think it is a primative compendium of ridiculous myths

Which is not to say it is without value

But I can only read it as myself

I can't read it as anyone else

Does this even need saying?

Need? If you feel the need to say
you are as biased as the Believers,
go for it.
If you find you similarly lack capacity
for the discipline of objectivity required of
a researcher, say that too, as it suits.

Some try, and are pretty good at it
regardless.

 

[Eddi]

Need? If you feel the need to say
you are as biased as the Believers,
go for it.
If you find you similarly lack capacity
for the discipline of objectivity required of
a researcher, say that too, as it suits.

Some try, and are pretty good at it
regardless.

I'm not biased, I read it critically

But as myself, not as anyone else

Perhaps next time I read it I should transform myself into another human being

 

[Audie]

I'm not biased, I read it critically

But as myself, not as anyone else

Perhaps next time I read it I should transform myself into another human being

If all, the total, of all you saw was myths then yes,
IF that's the extent of your capacity, you prolly
would need to do a " George Washington's hatchet"
w mind and body. Repla c each at least once

 

[Eddi]

If all, the total, of all you saw was myths then yes,
IF that's the extent of your capacity, you prolly
would need to do a " George Washington's hatchet"
w mind and body. Repla c each at least once

They are myths but I think they have value

I am not a literalist but neither do I reject it as rubbish

 

[crossfire]

2. @crossfire - The Fire Sermon from Buddha shows liberation from taints through clinging no more. When understanding about clinging no more, Matthew 5:27-30 makes a whole lot more sense to you.

• What is it like for you to no longer cling? What's the purpose of earth when it's a clinging situation? Matthew 5:27–30 looks tragic with that hell word. I learned that no one is separated, and being here on earth is for our deeper understanding; however, no one is separated due to being here on the earth. So reading the fire sermon of Buddha then shows how that verse in Matthew 5:27–30 actually means liberation from taints through clinging no more. Do bhikkhus ever cling to Buddha? I looked online and learned Bhikkhus begs for assistance. When Bhikkhus were begging, were they clinging?

Tanha is fiery craving, while Upadana is clinging, much like fire clings to its fuel source. Together they are very much like an addiction, with all of the mental states that come with addiction. Clinging no more means getting over your addiction, along with disruptive mental states that come with being an addict. (You don't literally gauge your eyes out, you become estranged from the sights--you overcome your addiction.)

The whole world if full of opportunities to become addicted, and a lot of people have a variety of attachments or addictions to various things in this world. In that sense, the whole world is on fire. Hellfire is the burning mental anguish that people suffer due to their attachments/addictions. When you overcome your addictions, you can then walk through the hellfire experienced by he addicts here on earth without getting burned.

 

[River Sea]

don't think the bible is holy, I think it is a compendium of myths

Which is not to say it is without value

But I can only read it as myself

I can't read it as anyone else

Does this even need saying?

@Eddi I agree with you that I can only read it as myself, and I can't read it as anyone else.

@crossfire I realized I'd rather have freedom when reading and psychoanalyzing scenes than develop an addiction to seeking out why certain individuals rejected me because of the process I read.

Tanha is fiery craving, while Upadana is clinging, much like fire clings to its fuel source. Together they are very much like an addiction, with all of the mental states that come with addiction. Clinging no more means getting over your addiction, along with disruptive mental states that come with being an addict. (You don't literally gauge your eyes out, you become estranged from the sights--you overcome your addiction.)

The whole world if full of opportunities to become addicted, and a lot of people have a variety of attachments or addictions to various things in this world. In that sense, the whole world is on fire. Hellfire is the burning mental anguish that people suffer due to their attachments/addictions. When you overcome your addictions, you can then walk through the hellfire experienced by he addicts here on earth without getting burned.

 

[River Sea]

I wasn't aware that The Bible, which is the subject of this thread, was considered an engineering manual. As for the law, if there was any consensus on interpretation, there'd be a lot of unemployed lawyers

I agree with you @RestlessSoul when you wrote "there'd be a lot of unemployed lawyers."

My response: One unemployed lawyer who is a carpenter lacking abilities in understanding manual Torah should be Joseph, who encouraged his pregnant wife Mary to leave their home and travel to Bethlehem to register for Emperor Augustus' census, after which Mary gave birth in Bethlehem in April. I'm curious what the Mandaeans think of Joseph's legal abilities with the Torah manual, given that they believe Jesus was one of John's disciples. Was Zechariah, John's father, a better lawyer who knew the manual Torah than Joseph in encouraging Elizabeth to stay at home during her pregnancy and after John's birth? Elizabeth did not go to Bethlehem.

Everyone could be accounted for and pay taxes. And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. Luke 2:2 (NKJV): This doesn't mean women; am I understanding correctly? Also, no one conducts a census during December. Am I understanding correctly?

Luke's Gospel said that Joseph had to go to Bethlehem for the census of Quirinius “because he was of the house and lineage of David”. There would have been no reason for Mary to go there, as women were not counted in censuses.

I learned from here that women can stay home. Help me understand this?

Why did Joseph and Mary travel to Bethlehem for the census?

Answer (1 of 25): it was an attempt by the authors to have jesus fulfill a prophesy that the messiah was descended from the house of David and the rule was apparently that a Roman census meant you had to register in a town your distant ancestors came from. I know crazy since there was no census t...

www.quora.com

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you read the Bible empirically, that is, apart from personal bias and/or denominational interpretations?

Yes which is why it's clearly rubbish for anything practical or useful.

 

[River Sea]

Yes which is why it's clearly rubbish for anything practical or useful.

In reference to this: Do you read the Bible empirically, that is, apart from personal bias and/or denominational interpretations?

I struggle to understand the structure of this sentence that was asked of me when joining a Facebook group, and how I answered caused me to be blocked. I thought it was me that I yet need to improve in English, so I made a thread so I could discuss this structure type of sentence where next time someone writes with this structure I would easier comprehend.

When I re-read my thread I realized I had failed to explain this.

Maybe I should have had the thread titled, I struggle with this type of structure of language. Can we take a closer look so when someone uses this structure I can with ease comprehend? I think I fail at this thread explaining this. However, I'm improving because I'm learning.

 

[Balthazzar]

Do you read the Bible empirically, that is, apart from personal bias and/or denominational interpretations?

Never from the start and I'm always biased due to my embedded understanding of life and how life functions. Apart from denominational isn't even possible sometimes, so I do attempt to take a more academic approach playing the role of a detective or historian. It's more interesting this way anyway and a lot less threatening or fearful for me.

 

[Twilight Hue]

In reference to this: Do you read the Bible empirically, that is, apart from personal bias and/or denominational interpretations?

I struggle to understand the structure of this sentence that was asked of me when joining a Facebook group, and how I answered caused me to be blocked. I thought it was me that I yet need to improve in English, so I made a thread so I could discuss this structure type of sentence where next time someone writes with this structure I would easier comprehend.

When I re-read my thread I realized I had failed to explain this.

Maybe I should have had the thread titled, I struggle with this type of structure of language. Can we take a closer look so when someone uses this structure I can with ease comprehend? I think I fail at this thread explaining this. However, I'm improving because I'm learning.

I'll put it in simple terms.

Empirically, It simply dosent work regardless of bias and denominational interpretations. I read it in the same context as other ancient mythologies.

 

[River Sea]

Never from the start and I'm always biased due to my embedded understanding of life and how life functions. Apart from denominational isn't even possible sometimes, so I do attempt to take a more academic approach playing the role of a detective or historian. It's more interesting this way anyway and a lot less threatening or fearful for me.

@Balthazzar

I also believe in reincarnation and being born again

A pdf booklet by Geoffrey Hodson of the Theosophical society on reincarnation in early Christianity.

https://www.theosophical.org/files/resources/articles/ReincarnationChristianity.pdf

I will take a look at this later.
6 pages

https://www.theosophical.org/files/resources/articles/ReincarnationChristianity.pdf

I'm looking for this person, who I wanted to study more of

Greek philosophers on you tube. It appears Socrates didn't make out as well as others have, but he did understand a basic premise about understanding. I call it critical thinking. Apparently, it's called the Socratic method.

I think this is how I learn language, is through asking a question on one word or phrase, as was told to me else where, brought to my attention. Maybe not the best way of learning. Perhaps a slower way.

Never once did I claim the physical sun, when I refer to light who I saw in people radiate outward, this light can think.

light cycles thoughts,

i wasn't writing about physicals sun, but people would think i am. suddenly topic about math of speed of light, i go along with it because that's interesting too - which now I'm learning about, I love learning that too.

Lots of times I just go towards that learning too, because I want to, however I wasn't writing about physical sun, however after topic goes towards that, then i just go towards that too

I think what happens to me is I give up, and just go towards where the topic goes to, instead of writing about that.

I think that's what I do, but I'm interested in that too, speed of light which lately I learn about the letter c, which is well there's a c before this

the speed of light =
299 792 458 m / s

Here it is

Speed of light - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The speed of light in vacuum, commonly denoted c, is a universal physical constant that is exactly equal to 299,792,458 metres per second

See that c.

c is a universal physical constant

 

[I Am Hugh]

Do you read the Bible empirically, that is, apart from personal bias and/or denominational interpretations?

Not really. Not when reading for the sake of reading it. What I do most often is more like study and comparison.

 

[wellwisher]

Do you read the Bible empirically, that is, apart from personal bias and/or denominational interpretations?

I was brought up as a Catholic and never actually read the bible, until I was about 25. Catholics, have Sunday School and teach mostly the words and life of Jesus from the New Testament; Catechism. I learned about Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark, Moses, Solomon, David and Goliath and other things through stories and the movies; Producer and Director Cecil B DeMille and the 10 Commandments.

It was not until had studied Carl Jung and became quite knowledgeable in collective human symbolism, that I read the bible in an attempt to apply my knowledge of symbolism, to see if I could explain the symbols of prophesy. It was for the challenge. It was through re-interpreting, what had always been assumed to be warning at the end of Revelations, not to add or take away from the words of Prophesy, was not as a warning, but a hint how to solve the mystery. I decided to read the Bible like a textbook and highlight everything connected to prophesy; first to last page. I hired a girl to type the hi-lighted sections into my late 1980's circa computer/word processor, printed it out, cut it up into quote size pieces, and started to rearranged them like a giant zig saw puzzle. All the data was alway there, but it had been cleverly blended.

I few months ago I presented my final puzzle, through the beginning of the third horsemen, but started to notice I messed up some of the symbolism and was no sure if I should rearrange things, or present it as I had done. So I stopped for the time being. The first two horsemen felt perfect, but after that I was not sure anymore, since my own experiences, after doing the puzzle, were like curses. It took time to heal.

I have my own unique spin on many aspects of the Bible, such as law is from Satan. Why else would Satan be placed in the tree of knowledge of good and evil; Satan and law go together. God never wanted Adam and Eve to that tree; law. They could talk to Satan, which is why he was there but not eat; buy into this sales pitch. People still choose law; share in that original sin.

I also have the original inference that after the six days of Creation, when God rested on the seventh day, he has yet to come back to work. He is still on the Sabbath rest. There is nowhere after that in the entire bible that says it is the eight day. Each of the first seven days are clearly labeled. This misunderstanding may have to do with a God day not the same as an earth day. Day one has no earth so there is only the God day, which was highly time dilated by early gravity and General Relativity. Science knowledge was also helpful.

But also, during the six days, the daily stages of creation were epic creation; make the universe; stabilize the quantum state to hydrogen, the galaxies, stars and planets, life, etc. By the end of day six, everything is done, and the universe only needs a maintenance crew while God rested. It is not until toward the end of Revelations that epic creation happens, once again, with a Divine bejeweled city coming down from the sky and later God makes a brand new heaven and earth. He is definitely back to work, then. That is day eight. Those are things only God can do.

Satan was in charge during the Sabbath rest, until he was or shall be thrown from heaven in Revelation. He was God's hired hand. That is why God put Satan in the tree and they got along fine. After Satan is fired, Jesus is groomed and starts to take over clearing the way for Dad, when he comes back to work. Jesus said nobody has seen the Father except the Son, which is what happens on the Sabbath. It a day of rest for the family and not work, when Dads teach their sons.

The Prophesy puzzle created my own unique bias for reinterpreting the rest of the Bible. Paul makes more sense, since he contrasts the children of the promise; by faith, and the children of the bonded woman; by the law. Maintenance guys Jesus and Satan.

 

[River Sea]

c is a universal physical constant

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala @GoodAttention

A Question on One-Way Speed of Light

This question is for the @physicists, by Ron. Does gravity wave triangulation, with optical confirmation, constitute a one-way measurement of c?

discourse.peacefulscience.org

Because I'm learning about measurement of c

Unifying Gravity, Magnetism, Electricity & Dielectricity as ONE THING ONLY

Not sure how to do this?

How to measure C within the
Unifying Gravity, Magnetism, Electricity & Dielectricity as ONE THING ONLY?

 

[River Sea]

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala @GoodAttention

A Question on One-Way Speed of Light

This question is for the @physicists, by Ron. Does gravity wave triangulation, with optical confirmation, constitute a one-way measurement of c?

discourse.peacefulscience.org

The question that was asked, "Does gravity wave triangulation, with optical confirmation, constitute a one-way measurement of c?"

So I form a question
I ask, how to measure C within the
Unifying Gravity, Magnetism, Electricity & Dielectricity as ONE THING ONLY?

Because I'm learning about measurement of c

Not sure how to do this?

How to measure C within the
Unifying Gravity, Magnetism, Electricity & Dielectricity as ONE THING ONLY?

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala @GoodAttention

I remember answering this question

@Bthoth Let me practice two words that I'm processing into my memory.
Cations mean positive charge ions, and anion is a negative charge ion. Fe3+ is a rusty yellow color.

Here's where I read about c.

speed of light in vacuum, commonly denoted c, is a universal physical constant that is exactly equal to 299,792,458 metres per second (approximately 300,000 kilometres per second; 186,000 miles per second; 671 million miles per hour).[Note 3] According to the special theory of relativity, c is the upper limit for the speed at which conventional matter or energy (and thus any signal carrying information) can travel through space.

 

[River Sea]

I was brought up as a Catholic and never actually read the bible, until I was about 25. Catholics, have Sunday School and teach mostly the words and life of Jesus from the New Testament; Catechism. I learned about Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark, Moses, Solomon, David and Goliath and other things through stories and the movies; Producer and Director Cecil B DeMille and the 10 Commandments.

It was not until had studied Carl Jung and became quite knowledgeable in collective human symbolism, that I read the bible in an attempt to apply my knowledge of symbolism, to see if I could explain the symbols of prophesy. It was for the challenge. It was through re-interpreting, what had always been assumed to be warning at the end of Revelations, not to add or take away from the words of Prophesy, was not as a warning, but a hint how to solve the mystery. I decided to read the Bible like a textbook and highlight everything connected to prophesy; first to last page. I hired a girl to type the hi-lighted sections into my late 1980's circa computer/word processor, printed it out, cut it up into quote size pieces, and started to rearranged them like a giant zig saw puzzle. All the data was alway there, but it had been cleverly blended.

I few months ago I presented my final puzzle, through the beginning of the third horsemen, but started to notice I messed up some of the symbolism and was no sure if I should rearrange things, or present it as I had done. So I stopped for the time being. The first two horsemen felt perfect, but after that I was not sure anymore, since my own experiences, after doing the puzzle, were like curses. It took time to heal.

I have my own unique spin on many aspects of the Bible, such as law is from Satan. Why else would Satan be placed in the tree of knowledge of good and evil; Satan and law go together. God never wanted Adam and Eve to that tree; law. They could talk to Satan, which is why he was there but not eat; buy into this sales pitch. People still choose law; share in that original sin.

I also have the original inference that after the six days of Creation, when God rested on the seventh day, he has yet to come back to work. He is still on the Sabbath rest. There is nowhere after that in the entire bible that says it is the eight day. Each of the first seven days are clearly labeled. This misunderstanding may have to do with a God day not the same as an earth day. Day one has no earth so there is only the God day, which was highly time dilated by early gravity and General Relativity. Science knowledge was also helpful.

But also, during the six days, the daily stages of creation were epic creation; make the universe; stabilize the quantum state to hydrogen, the galaxies, stars and planets, life, etc. By the end of day six, everything is done, and the universe only needs a maintenance crew while God rested. It is not until toward the end of Revelations that epic creation happens, once again, with a Divine bejeweled city coming down from the sky and later God makes a brand new heaven and earth. He is definitely back to work, then. That is day eight. Those are things only God can do.

Satan was in charge during the Sabbath rest, until he was or shall be thrown from heaven in Revelation. He was God's hired hand. That is why God put Satan in the tree and they got along fine. After Satan is fired, Jesus is groomed and starts to take over clearing the way for Dad, when he comes back to work. Jesus said nobody has seen the Father except the Son, which is what happens on the Sabbath. It a day of rest for the family and not work, when Dads teach their sons.

The Prophesy puzzle created my own unique bias for reinterpreting the rest of the Bible. Paul makes more sense, since he contrasts the children of the promise; by faith, and the children of the bonded woman; by the law. Maintenance guys Jesus and Satan.

@wellwisher @GoodAttention @Bharat Jhunjhunwala @I Am Hugh @Balthazzar

I hadn't ever thought about that, God is resting.

The Jews thinks that sabbath is on the 6th day - so how come some Christians claims sabbath is on the 7th day and that is consider as rest, even though there's this word sun attach to that day

If we explore the names of the days of the week, I'll ask @Bharat Jhunjhunwala the meanings of the days of the week in Sanskrit, especially what are the meanings for saturday sunday, the 6th and 7th day

The loan borrow words is God still resting or working?

I forum a question

The loan borrow words showing is God still resting or working?

How does sun son 'child' rest compare to parent rest?

How does planet sun rest or is planet sun working?

What is work and what is rest?

When working where does work go as the work is used by who? A God who's resting or working?

 

[River Sea]

@wellwisher @GoodAttention @Bharat Jhunjhunwala @I Am Hugh @Balthazzar


@wellwisher

Satan was in charge during the Sabbath rest, until he was or shall be thrown from heaven in Revelation. He was God's hired hand. That is why God put Satan in the tree and they got along fine. After Satan is fired, Jesus is groomed and starts to take over clearing the way for Dad, when he comes back to work. Jesus said nobody has seen the Father except the Son, which is what happens on the Sabbath. It a day of rest for the family and not work, when Dads teach their sons.

How come Jesus is groomed and makes room for dad.

How come Satan is in charge during Sabbath rest?

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala what is this word Revelation in Sanskrit meaning?

How come Jesus didn't leave cause an exodus where the Romans took over? Jesus could have been the next Moses Krishna and helped many who were influenced by the Romans. What stops Jesus from being the next Moses Krishna?

Is Lucifer (Satan) related to Jesus through DNA? Maybe has a percentage of the R-M124 Gene?

 

[wellwisher]

@wellwisher @GoodAttention @Bharat Jhunjhunwala @I Am Hugh @Balthazzar

I hadn't ever thought about that, God is resting.

The Jews thinks that sabbath is on the 6th day - so how come some Christians claims sabbath is on the 7th day and that is consider as rest, even though there's this word sun attach to that day

If we explore the names of the days of the week, I'll ask @Bharat Jhunjhunwala the meanings of the days of the week in Sanskrit, especially what are the meanings for saturday sunday, the 6th and 7th day

The loan borrow words is God still resting or working?

I forum a question

The loan borrow words showing is God still resting or working?

How does sun son 'child' rest compare to parent rest?

How does planet sun rest or is planet sun working?

What is work and what is rest?

When working where does work go as the work is used by who? A God who's resting or working?

Based on the symbolism of Genesis; The first creation account is divided into seven days during which God creates light (day 1); the sky (day 2); the earth, seas, and vegetation (day 3); the sun and moon (day 4); animals of the air and sea (day 5); and land animals and humans (day 6). God rested from his work on the seventh day of creation, the Sabbath.

In the Bible, Sabbath rest means to cease regularly from and to enjoy the results of your work. It provides balance: “Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God” (Exodus 20:9–10). This instruction coincides with the God and creation symbolism where God works six days and rests on the seventh.

The Jewish people celebrate the Sabbath or seventh day on Saturday. Sunday is the first day of the week. Christians celebrate Sunday or first day of the week; Lord's day or let there be light; Sun-day. Sunday is also the eight day or the first day of a new cycle.

The main point I was making was, the human weekly cycles aside, there is no clear indication when the divine Sabbath ended; Genesis. I inferred this to be connected to the symbolism of Revelations, where epic style creation starts another cycle.

Revelations 21:
Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”