Do you read the Bible empirically, that is, apart from personal bias and/or denominational interpretations?

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How come Jesus is groomed and makes room for dad.

How come Satan is in charge during Sabbath rest?

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala what is this word Revelation in Sanskrit meaning?

How come Jesus didn't leave cause an exodus where the Romans took over? Jesus could have been the next Moses Krishna and helped many who were influenced by the Romans. What stops Jesus from being the next Moses Krishna?

Is Lucifer (Satan) related to Jesus through DNA? Maybe has a percentage of the R-M124 Gene?

The human sabbath is a reflection of the heavenly Sabbath. On earth human are not to work on the Sabbath. If human work needs to be done, you must prepare in advance and even hire those who do not celebrate, to work for you on the sabbath. So as God rested on the divine sabbath, as a reflection, Satan was God's hired hand, to oversee the earth and the humans.

This job was prepared for in advance by placing Satan in the Garden of Eden to meet Adam and Eve on the sixth day. Since Satan had a good rapport with Adam and Eve and they chose Satan, Satan was hired to watch over them as God rested. Satan was given the title of Lord of the Earth. Satan is both good and evil, which why he was in the tree of knowledge of good and evil; law. He can be good and then become cruel. He taught the humans law and punishment, which led to suffering, as God rested.

Jesus as the Son of God was also on Sabbath with God. He was sent to the earth and was born of a woman; Mary. Since Jesus was on Sabbath he could not use his full divine powers, but had to live as a human. This is part of the reason he could only do mild miracles; work like open the fridge, but he could not save himself from the human fate of death by the law.

But since he was the son the God, only his human body was killed but his spirit remained alive. This led to legal double jeopardy. By the law, death is the ultimate punishment. If one is killed by the law, they are removed from the law, since thy are dead and the debt paid in full. However, since Jesus was still alive, he could not be prosecuted again, and was now free from law.

This led to a political debate in Heaven, since Jesus had found a legal loophole that undermined Satan authority as Lord of the Earth. Jesus had prepared a place of eternal life so all could escape Satan and Law. This debate got heated and led to war with Satan, with Satan thrown from Heaven, removing his divine sanction; job contract, as Lord of the Earth. Satan left heaven and continued earth like nothing happened, causing many humans to follow his unsanctioned laws, as though this was still from God. This is the story of Revelations.

Jesus in the meantime, is sitting at the right hand of God, his Father, waiting for the divine Sabbath to end, learning from God. To do his work on earth, as he rested, Jesus hires a Servant. He is a Sensible Slave who is to give everyone their food at the proper time. Here we stand today.

Jesus and Satan are spirit and do not use or need DNA.

 

[Balthazzar]

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I hadn't ever thought about that, God is resting.

The Jews thinks that sabbath is on the 6th day - so how come some Christians claims sabbath is on the 7th day and that is consider as rest, even though there's this word sun attach to that day

If we explore the names of the days of the week, I'll ask @Bharat Jhunjhunwala the meanings of the days of the week in Sanskrit, especially what are the meanings for saturday sunday, the 6th and 7th day

The loan borrow words is God still resting or working?

I forum a question

The loan borrow words showing is God still resting or working?

How does sun son 'child' rest compare to parent rest?

How does planet sun rest or is planet sun working?

What is work and what is rest?

When working where does work go as the work is used by who? A God who's resting or working?

I don't know exactly what was being conveyed, but I view it as something needed ... like when you work out (weight training) you are required to allow the muscles a day or two to heal and rebuild themselves before hitting the weights again.

 

[Balthazzar]

@wellwisher @GoodAttention @Bharat Jhunjhunwala @I Am Hugh @Balthazzar


@wellwisher



How come Jesus is groomed and makes room for dad.

How come Satan is in charge during Sabbath rest?

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala what is this word Revelation in Sanskrit meaning?

How come Jesus didn't leave cause an exodus where the Romans took over? Jesus could have been the next Moses Krishna and helped many who were influenced by the Romans. What stops Jesus from being the next Moses Krishna?

Is Lucifer (Satan) related to Jesus through DNA? Maybe has a percentage of the R-M124 Gene?

We're ignorant until we're in the know, so we stumble through things in error often enough to acknowledge our need. Kind of like when kids are born. They have lots and lots to learn about as they grow and develop, and so do we as new parents. I have no idea what is being implied apart from what I already understand about life.

 

[Bobkitten]

The human sabbath is a reflection of the heavenly Sabbath. On earth human are not to work on the Sabbath. If human work needs to be done, you must prepare in advance and even hire those who do not celebrate, to work for you on the sabbath. So as God rested on the divine sabbath, as a reflection, Satan was God's hired hand, to oversee the earth and the humans.

This job was prepared for in advance by placing Satan in the Garden of Eden to meet Adam and Eve on the sixth day. Since Satan had a good rapport with Adam and Eve and they chose Satan, Satan was hired to watch over them as God rested. Satan was given the title of Lord of the Earth. Satan is both good and evil, which why he was in the tree of knowledge of good and evil; law. He can be good and then become cruel. He taught the humans law and punishment, which led to suffering, as God rested.

Jesus as the Son of God was also on Sabbath with God. He was sent to the earth and was born of a woman; Mary. Since Jesus was on Sabbath he could not use his full divine powers, but had to live as a human. This is part of the reason he could only do mild miracles; work like open the fridge, but he could not save himself from the human fate of death by the law.

But since he was the son the God, only his human body was killed but his spirit remained alive. This led to legal double jeopardy. By the law, death is the ultimate punishment. If one is killed by the law, they are removed from the law, since thy are dead and the debt paid in full. However, since Jesus was still alive, he could not be prosecuted again, and was now free from law.

This led to a political debate in Heaven, since Jesus had found a legal loophole that undermined Satan authority as Lord of the Earth. Jesus had prepared a place of eternal life so all could escape Satan and Law. This debate got heated and led to war with Satan, with Satan thrown from Heaven, removing his divine sanction; job contract, as Lord of the Earth. Satan left heaven and continued earth like nothing happened, causing many humans to follow his unsanctioned laws, as though this was still from God. This is the story of Revelations.

Jesus in the meantime, is sitting at the right hand of God, his Father, waiting for the divine Sabbath to end, learning from God. To do his work on earth, as he rested, Jesus hires a Servant. He is a Sensible Slave who is to give everyone their food at the proper time. Here we stand today.

Jesus and Satan are spirit and do not use or need DNA.

You have to be kidding! Where did you get such nonsense?

 

[GoodAttention]

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I hadn't ever thought about that, God is resting.

Not resting, I don't agree with the interpretation that God can "rest", meaning be in a state of inaction.

God was silent.

The Jews thinks that sabbath is on the 6th day - so how come some Christians claims sabbath is on the 7th day and that is consider as rest, even though there's this word sun attach to that day

The day starts with and ends on sundown. Christians take the Greco-Roman approach.

If we explore the names of the days of the week, I'll ask @Bharat Jhunjhunwala the meanings of the days of the week in Sanskrit, especially what are the meanings for saturday sunday, the 6th and 7th day

The loan borrow words is God still resting or working?

You could be only a few people on here that would be open to look into the Tamil language and its use both in Hebrew and Sanskrit. Don't be swayed by the lack of written use because it is very much a classical language, with its presence hidden in other languages being the evidence.

I forum a question

The loan borrow words showing is God still resting or working?

The day for Sunday in Tamil is nyayiru, which when you remove any Sankritisation and divide into the root becomes gnanam and iruvu.

Gnanam is knowledge, wisdom, or having intelligence, whilst iruvu is night or night time.

The day for Sunday in Tamil more correct meaning is the night of knowledge, which of course we can interpret today as the night of creation.

Note that no other day in the week is described as an "iru".

How does sun son 'child' rest compare to parent rest?

The child sleeps but the parents must always be vigilant.

How does planet sun rest or is planet sun working?

What is work and what is rest?

When working where does work go as the work is used by who? A God who's resting or working?

Only when God is silent can the light and sound of the universe be acknowledged. Christians would consider this the Holy Spirit.

 

[I Am Hugh]

I hadn't ever thought about that, God is resting.

No. God wasn't resting, as if he were tired. He never stopped working. (Isaiah 40:28; John 5:16-17) It's more like when you're cooking and you let the meat rest before slicing it. The rest was a time for man to reach his potential, in God's image. A sort of maturing of perfection. (Hebrews 4:3, 4, 6, 9)

The Jews thinks that sabbath is on the 6th day - so how come some Christians claims sabbath is on the 7th day and that is consider as rest, even though there's this word sun attach to that day

The days weren't named then, they were counted. First, second, through seventh. The days ran from evening to evening. So the sabbath ran from what would be our Friday-Saturday evening. (Leviticus 23:32; Exodus 20:8-11) Christians weren't required to observe the sabbath. They were only required to abstain from eating blood, or meat from a strangled animal, or that was sacrificed to idols, and sexual immorality. (Acts 15:28-29) The apostate church later tried to incorporate the sabbath according to 1 Corinthians 16:2 and Acts 20:7 as the first day (Sunday) but that was more to do with the pagan pontifex maximus (Chief Priest of Pagan worship) Constantine in 321 CE, mixing his Latin dies Solis (Sunday) with the dies Domini (Lord's Day). He tried to mix astrology and sun worship with Christianity.

God's day of rest began on the seventh day and continues to this day. It will continue until man has gotten to point of obedience. For example, in Adam's time God created the heavens and earth and everything in six days and then allowed for a day when man would fulfil his obligation, to fill and subdue the earth and live forever upon it. But Adam sinned, temporarily halting his ability to do that. Then, in Moses' time. God modeled the sabbath after the seven days of creation. The six days and then the rest, when the Messiah would come. If Israel had been obedient, they would never have had all the problems they had and the Messiah would have come and they would have then resumed their obligation, in obedience, eventually living forever upon the earth. But they, like Adam, didn't do that.

So, the day continues.

 

[I Am Hugh]

How come Jesus is groomed and makes room for dad.

I have no idea what that is even supposed to mean. Could you explain?

How come Satan is in charge during Sabbath rest?

Again, I have no idea what that means. Satan has nothing to do with the sabbath. Satan is the authority over the world, which will be destroyed eventually. The word world comes from the Greek word kosmos, and means adornment, arrangement or order. The English words cosmetics and cosmos comes from the Greek word. The stars were God's adornment, arrangement or order, The world belongs to Satan (Hebrew ha satan, the adversary). The world was founded (Greek katabole, laying down of seed) upon the blood of Abel, in other words, put simply, the world began after Adam sinned and he first procreated. It began with his firstborn, Cain. (2 Corinthians 4:4; Luke 11:50)

How come Jesus didn't leave cause an exodus where the Romans took over? Jesus could have been the next Moses Krishna and helped many who were influenced by the Romans. What stops Jesus from being the next Moses Krishna?

Moses Krishna? Moses means drawn out of, water, Krishna means dark. Dark water? I think you're mixing your religions?

Is Lucifer (Satan) related to Jesus through DNA? Maybe has a percentage of the R-M124 Gene?

Lucifer is a Latin word that means light bearer. For example, fireflies, lightning bugs. Bioluminescence. (See Luciferase) The Hebrew is hehlel meaning shining one, the Greek is phosphoros meaning daystar or morning star. The terms are used throughout the Bible in reference to someone who signifies some big change, like night and day. The day or morning star is the last star to rise before dawn. Satan, Nebuchadnezzar and Jesus were all referred to with these terms.

At Isaiah 14:12 the KJV and other older translations from the Latin Vulgate use the Latin term, but go back to verse 1 and you see it is talking about Babylon, specifically Nebuchadnezzar. Because God would allow them to destroy the Kingdom he had established, and end his earthly representation by capturing and killing their last King, Zedekiah. The next king would be of the Davidic line but wouldn't take the throne. Jesus.

Satan doesn't have DNA since he isn't flesh and bone, he is a spirit being. Jesus's DNA couldn't be established due to it's not being available and even if it were it would be too old.

 

[River Sea]

Only when God is silent can the light and sound of the universe be acknowledged. Christians would consider this the Holy Spirit.

It's the Holy Spirit who lives in me, who I feed from, who feeds me fire-burn. when allow to teach me how in the midst of my situations.

Lucifer is a Latin word that means light bearer. For example, fireflies, lightning bugs. Bioluminescence. (See Luciferase) The Hebrew is hehlel meaning shining one, the Greek is phosphoros meaning daystar or morning star. The terms are used throughout the Bible in reference to someone who signifies some big change, like night and day. The day or morning star is the last star to rise before dawn. Satan, Nebuchadnezzar and Jesus were all referred to with these terms.

Yes I understand this about Lucifer this is why I thought Lucifer is an adjective: If I claim I'm Lucifer-ing then I'm bearer-ing of light meaning allowing light flow and feed me.

When I'm in meditation, I'm allowing white light to teach me in the midst of my thoughts and emotions. I don't have a set time. I'll allow white light to teach me as I'm doing other things, so that's why I write, Allow light to teach me in the midst of my situation, and I notice drinking from a light fire when allowing to be taught in the midst. I don't always do this, yet when I don't, then I'm hungry to feed from light, so I'm drawn to drink from light, so I allow, and there's times when I don't, I'll allow light to teach me how. One of my favorite ways is to listen to music and rock while drinking from the light. When I'm drinking from the light, I feel inner peace, fire, and flow when I share with the light. Also, my thoughts cycle with light thoughts.

No. God wasn't resting, as if he were tired. He never stopped working. (Isaiah 40:28; John 5:16-17) It's more like when you're cooking and you let the meat rest before slicing it. The rest was a time for man to reach his potential, in God's image. A sort of maturing of perfection. (Hebrews 4:3, 4, 6, 9)

I can relate about resting in God's image, it's as if having God's identity. living water. John 4:14 states, “Whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. See this is the area I'm use to when finding similarities, as I describe Holy Spirit that I drink from.

The day for Sunday in Tamil is nyayiru, which when you remove any Sankritisation and divide into the root becomes gnanam and iruvu.

Gnanam is knowledge, wisdom, or having intelligence, whilst iruvu is night or night time.

The day for Sunday in Tamil more correct meaning is the night of knowledge, which of course we can interpret today as the night of creation.

Note that no other day in the week is described as an "iru".

GNANAM ARULVAY KEERTHANAM - ஞானம் அருள்வாய் கீர்த்தனம் - YATHUNANTHINI
iruvu means presence and gnanam means Calculation so maybe same as scales.

so scale practicing is calculating GNANAM

@GoodAttention you wrote "Gnanam is knowledge, wisdom, or having intelligence"

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I'll share this below where showing Ionian and Dorian., from @tornbetweentwoworlds

You might want to read my paper, A return to the high ethic of the Ionian Ideal, which distinguished between the "taker" and "maker" cultures, slave vs. freedom.

@tornbetweentwoworlds I notice in your pdf words Ionian and Dorian.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala Would Yadavas in Indus Valley and after exodus Indus Valley be more similar to Ionian, Dorian, or a combination of both, and how come?

so scale practicing is calculating GNANAM

@GoodAttention you wrote "Gnanam is knowledge, wisdom, or having intelligence"

 

[GoodAttention]

It's the Holy Spirit who lives in me, who I feed from, who feeds me fire-burn. when allow to teach me how in the midst of my situations.



Yes I understand this about Lucifer this is why I thought Lucifer is an adjective: If I claim I'm Lucifer-ing then I'm bearer-ing of light meaning allowing light flow and feed me.




I can relate about resting in God's image, it's as if having God's identity. living water. John 4:14 states, “Whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. See this is the area I'm use to when finding similarities, as I describe Holy Spirit that I drink from.

GNANAM ARULVAY KEERTHANAM - ஞானம் அருள்வாய் கீர்த்தனம் - YATHUNANTHINI
iruvu means presence and gnanam means Calculation so maybe same as scales.

so scale practicing is calculating GNANAM

@GoodAttention you wrote "Gnanam is knowledge, wisdom, or having intelligence"

I checked the meaning of iruvu, they word I converted to English is iravu.

Sunday is gnanam and iru, but now the question is, is "iru" combining both "iruvu" and "iravu", removing the centre of both words?

It is a fascinating language.

ஞானம்​

ñāṉam n. Pkt. ñānaஅறிவு தன்னன்ஞான நீக்கி (நாலடி, 308). 2. Knowledge,erudition, learning; கல்வி (சூடா.) 3. Sacred or divine knowledge, spiritual wisdom;

இருவு​

iruvu- 5 v. tr. caus. of இரு-.To cause to be or abide

இரவு​

iravu n. இரா [M. iravu.] 1.Night, time from sunset to sunrise;

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala what is this word Revelation in Sanskrit meaning?

The Sanskrit word for revelation is rahasyodhghatan(रहस्योद्घाटन). It literally means uncovering a secret.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

In the Bible, Sabbath rest means to cease regularly from and to enjoy the results of your work. It provides balance: “Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God” (Exodus 20:9–10). This instruction coincides with the God and creation symbolism where God works six days and rests on the seventh.

The Sabbath day was basically a social construct. The workers and the animals worked for six days and on the seventh day they rested. It does not have a spiritual meaning.

Revelations 21:
Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.

I see revelation 21 as a description of rebirth. The old heaven and earth were destroyed for a person upon his or her death and when the person is born there is another heaven and earth that he or she inherits. I think the whole idea of a single judgment day does not hold and God's creative power or the universe's creative power is unending and it will continue ad infinitum. I do not believe in a final judgment day.

 

[RabbiO]

The Sabbath day was basically a social construct. The workers and the animals worked for six days and on the seventh day they rested. It does not have a spiritual meaning.

Excuse me?

 

[River Sea]

You could be only a few people on here that would be open to look into the Tamil language and its use both in Hebrew and Sanskrit. Don't be swayed by the lack of written use because it is very much a classical language, with its presence hidden in other languages being the evidence.

@GoodAttention @Bharat Jhunjhunwala

So, did Sanskrit and Hebrew borrow loanwords from Tamil? So Tamil existed before Sanskrit and Hebrew languages?

Now I'm looking up where the language Tamil is from., so it's southern India, or? I'll further look online.

@GoodAttention
I don't know what you mean by classical language. What is classical language? What is that?

What would not classical language be then?

What language does that borrow from 'the word classical'?

More info from online about Tamil

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The Tamil people are an ethnolinguistic group that originated in the southern region of India, primarily in the state of Tamil Nadu and the union territory of Puducherry. They also have roots in northern and eastern Sri Lanka. Over time, Tamils have also emigrated to other countries, and today can be found in four main areas: India, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, and Singapore.

Tamils speak the Tamil language, which is part of the Dravidian language family and is one of the two longest-surviving classical languages in India, along with Sanskrit. The word "Tamil" is pronounced [t̪amiɻ].
(I interrupt because look word classical again) What is a classical language, compared to a not classical language) Later I learned classical language means extinct language.
So Tamil language is an extinct language?

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In India, Tamils make up 5.9% of the population, with the majority living in Tamil Nadu and Puducherry. In Sri Lanka, they make up 15% of the population, excluding Eelam Moors. In Malaysia, they make up 7% of the population, and in Singapore, they make up 5%

North Eastern Province, Sri Lanka - Wikipedia

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Tamil language - Wikipedia

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That's south India (read below screenshot)

What is a classical language?

Classical language - Wikipedia

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According to the definition by George L. Hart of the University of California, Berkeley, a classical language is any language with an independent literary tradition and a large body of ancient written literature.[1]

Classical languages are usually extinct languages. Those that are still in use today tend to show highly diglossic characteristics in areas where they are used, as the difference between spoken and written language has widened over time.

So Tamil language is an extinct language?

@GoodAttention so you know an extinct language.

 

[River Sea]

The Sabbath day was basically a social construct. The workers and the animals worked for six days and on the seventh day they rested. It does not have a spiritual meaning.

This whole post is edit and I couldn't send my edit because no internet. Now there's internet.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala Yes, it's a system that people created about working six days and having a day for rest.

Sabbath was created by people who then attached spiritual meanings; Jews have it on Saturday, and Christians have it on Sundays. Some Christians have it on Saturdays. I'm not sure what Muslims have their Sabbath day.

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1. Three Abrahamic religions
2. Germany pays money to the Christian Abrahamic religion. This is through taxes.
3. No countries chosen to pay money to John the Baptist, how come?
4. Was Tamil language before the Sanskrit and Hebrew Language? @GoodAttention was explaining about the Tamil language with the word Sunday

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@GoodAttention wrote

"The day for Sunday in Tamil is nyayiru, which when you remove any Sankritisation and divide into the root becomes gnanam and iruvu.

Gnanam is knowledge, wisdom, or having intelligence, whilst iruvu is night or night time.

The day for Sunday in Tamil more correct meaning is the night of knowledge, which of course we can interpret today as the night of creation.

Note that no other day in the week is described as an "iru"."

Later looking online
How many 'Jesus Abrahamic' religions are there in this war? Is it two types of Jesus? As people project who this Jesus is?

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1. Three Abrahamic religions
2. Germany pays money to the Christian Abrahamic religion - through taxes.
3. No countries chosen to pay money to John the Baptist, how come?
4. Was Tamil language before the Sanskrit and Hebrew Language?

Yes, people created systems back when, which included a system for what day to rest.

Even that was told to people what day to rest. They couldn't choose what day was best for them to rest. But then maybe tribes had more of a control system for survival reasons, do you think so?

Yes after edit so many changes I did.

 

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So, did Sanskrit and Hebrew borrow loanwords from Tamil? So Tamil existed before Sanskrit and Hebrew languages?

Now this is a good question, and the answer is how willing people are to explore this. We do know that loan words exist in both languages, and for Hebrew it is, in my opinion, under reported or evaluated. It is however very, very, evident in Sanskrit, and this is a fact even if those who claim Sanskrit to be a language as old as the dinosaurs wish it was not.

Answer: YES. There is enough evidence to suggest a proto-Dravidian language that resembles Tamil as its closest relation did exist at the time of Hebrew (Torah), and Sanskrit. There isn't firm evidence to suggest it existed before Sanskrit and Torah Hebrew, however it would be very, very, interesting to determine from ancient Egyptian sources whether the peoples they traded with in India spoke Tamil or a proto-Dravidian language.

Now I'm looking up where the language Tamil is from., so it's southern India, or? I'll further look online.

This is also an interesting question, since Tamil is spoken predominantly in the south of India, how can it be connected to the Indus Valley or even Sanskrit which we know to be spoken by the Aryans and predominates in the north? The connection is in the distribution of Dravidian languages themselves.

Dravidian languages - Wikipedia

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You will see there is a language known as Brahui which is spoken within an area of present day Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran. This language has more in common with Tamil than it does with the Indo-European languages that are derived from Sanskrit and spoken in the surrounding areas.

So why is Tamil spoken in the south? I believe there was a push or migration of Tamil/proto-Dravidian speakers away from the Indus Valley in the 2nd millennium BCE, which coincides with the Aryan presence at the same time AND also coincides with the timeline of Abraham. Generally the further the movement or migration of peoples away from their original homeland, the more preserved the language is. For this reason, I would consider the Tamil that is spoken by those who live in the north and east of Sri Lanka to be the closest or "purest" to what the oldest Tamil spoken who have been.

At this point however, it isn't so much about how old the language is, but how influenced/corrupted it has become over time from other languages. The Tamil spoken in the south of India is far more "Sankritized" than the Tamil spoken in the north and east of Sri Lanka.

It is also not a coincidence that an entire saga about an Aryan prince demi-god avatar Rama "flips the script" with the idea that these "last of the Tamils" in Sri Lanka would be conquered.

I don't know what you mean by classical language. What is classical language? What is that?

The classical languages are ones that were spoken before and after common era. These would be Koine Greek, Latin, Sanskrit, and Hebrew. Tamil should also be considered a classical language. Of these languages, Latin and Sanskrit are no longer spoken.

Edit: I am using the term "classical" incorrectly, however I stand by my description of a language that existed before and after common era.

 

[River Sea]

It's the Holy Spirit who lives in me, who I feed from, who feeds me fire-burn. when allow to teach me how in the midst of my situations.



Yes I understand this about Lucifer this is why I thought Lucifer is an adjective: If I claim I'm Lucifer-ing then I'm bearer-ing of light meaning allowing light flow and feed me.




I can relate about resting in God's image, it's as if having God's identity. living water. John 4:14 states, “Whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. See this is the area I'm use to when finding similarities, as I describe Holy Spirit that I drink from.

GNANAM ARULVAY KEERTHANAM - ஞானம் அருள்வாய் கீர்த்தனம் - YATHUNANTHINI
iruvu means presence and gnanam means Calculation so maybe same as scales.

so scale practicing is calculating GNANAM

@GoodAttention you wrote "Gnanam is knowledge, wisdom, or having intelligence"

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I'll share this below where showing Ionian and Dorian., from @tornbetweentwoworlds





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so scale practicing is calculating GNANAM

@GoodAttention you wrote "Gnanam is knowledge, wisdom, or having intelligence"

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Showing you where as you asked

Ionian and Dorian., from @tornbetweentwoworlds That brought my attention to this.

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I was only thinking about how music validates emotions with scenes, and also did some cultures notice this too and so describe

In your case as you @GoodAttention observing Mother Tamil

Then you shown

I think I am using the term matriarchal incorrectly. There was a post I saw on this forum months ago that described an Ionian society vs Dorian society. It was a nice table with columns for each, but for the life of me I can't find it now. I would say the IVC appears to be more Ionian (as a societal type, not Ionian the people themselves).

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Your exploration: was IVC appears more Ionian?

@GoodAttention Yes please do start a specific thread to explore further.

@GoodAttention wrote, "I am happy to start a specific thread to explore further."

@River Sea wrote, " @GoodAttention Yes, please do start a specific thread to explore further."

The specific thread you wanted to start was about what you wrote. @GoodAttention

@GoodAttention wrote, "Yes, specifically this is related to temples and palaces. I see both as signs of a patriarchal society, and the lack of to be more consistent wit a matriarchal society. This is my personal opinion specific to the Indus Valley Civilization, since there is no specific record of royalty, nor is there any evidence of buildings such as palaces or temples.

The Tamil language itself is said to be feminine, referred to as "Mother Tamil", with the stories that I am aware of relating to the "genesis" of its letters giving respect to a maternal nature."