All I needed to know, puts your posts into perspective. Thanks!
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Do You Support Obama's Plan For More Syrian Refugees.
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Tumah
Veteran Member
No problem.
Sincerely,
An RF member living in a country with daily terrorist concerns.
If you became a person stranded in Israel and needed refuge, you understand your very same principles and views would be the the same ones to condemn you, right?
Tumah
Veteran Member
No they would not. I am not against importing refugees, I am against importing crime. When Israelis congregate crime does not increase exponentially. There are also no Israeli terrorist organizations infiltrating Israeli society in order to make terrorist attacks in a perspective host country. So no its not the same at all.
If it were a group of refugees that did not have a history of increasing crime in their host countries, and are not suspected of harboring (knowingly or unknowingly) terrorists in their midst, my opinion would be different. As has been posted a number of times in different threads, this is not the case in this situation. So in this situation, this is the stance I have to take.
If you say so, I still think you are a hypocrite for your stance, but it is your own.
Tumah
Veteran Member
For the sake of my family, I would even take a real hypocritical stance if it ever came down to it.
I understand. I would be a liar if I said I wouldn't do the same thing if the chips were on the table. My position is based on theory, perhaps not as close to reality as I would like it to be. Thanks for the back and forth, no disrespect intended.
esmith
Veteran Member
What impact did the US have. Facts please.
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
If the US (and UK) adopted a less meddling foreign policy, then maybe we wouldn't have to deal with blowback such as this. Basically, stop fanning flames and you won't get burned.
esmith
Veteran Member
Not germane to the question. Try again
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
Oh I'm sorry, are you one of these people who thinks the US' foreign policy is isolationist or purely defensive?
Strongest and most effective military on the planet, outspent by the next 10 countries combined, yet doesn't like to get involved internationally? I don't think so.
esmith
Veteran Member
No, the question is do you support Obama's plan to bring more Syrian refugees into the U.S. Not what you think of Obama's foreign policy.. You want to discuss that then start a new thread.
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
Fair enough, even though the two issues are closely related. . .
Honestly, part of me thinks the US and UK should take in loads of Syrians, maybe that will rile up the native populations so badly that the next time their governments wanna play war in another country the public will riot.
esmith
Veteran Member
The last time I read the newspapers (everyday), I haven't came across any reference to using combat forces in Syria. Except for the minuscule air attack and special ops against ISIS. Maybe you could provide the data that the US and UK conducted war in Syria. Oh by the way war is considered. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/war
Full Definition of war
1 a (1) : a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations (2) : a period of such armed conflict (3) : state of war
If you want to favor semantics over genuine dialogue, fine by me. But if we play by your rules, nothing after 1945 has been a "war" in regards to the US.
esmith
Veteran Member
Fair enough. So let's just leave it as armed combat. Has the US or the UK being involved directly in armed combat in Syria aside from the Special Operations and minuscule air strikes against ISIS.
Want to lay the blame for the exodus of the population of Syria where in actuality it is......Assad, and those that support him...Russia, Iran, and the other Muslim groups opposing Assad? Or do you think that the US is to blame for everything wrong in the world? I would probably assume that many of you including the Obama think that is fact.
You can't ask a direct question and then immediately amend it to suit your argument. Nice try.
Buttercup
Veteran Member
What's your definition of armed combat? You mean on the ground troops? We have been/are involved in Syria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_Syria
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
Sorry, when typing that comment I was thinking more of Iraq, and perhaps "intervention" or "meddle" would've been better words.