Do You Support Republicans Calling for Trump to Keep his Promises?

[Mindmaster]

Oh yeah. Selling out USA security to the Russian government is way way worse than that.
Tom

I'm pretty sure the Russian government is more trustworthy than the DNC at this point, at least if we are keeping score. I mean, the RNC is full of knuckle-dragging trogs too... Hence our current "state of affairs"... With the clean sweep the RNC got, they should be more effectual.

 

[columbus]

I'm pretty sure the Russian government is more trustworthy than the DNC at this point, at least if we are keeping score.

The DNC doesn't matter since it Trump and his many staff people who are in power. And keep being found to have Russian connections when their lies are discovered.
Tom

 

[Mindmaster]

The DNC doesn't matter since it Trump and his many staff people who are in power. And keep being found to have Russian connections when their lies are discovered.
Tom

Again, I have no doubt they are connected just not less connected than the DNC. Hillary was involved in deals to sell our uranium stockpile to Russia and personally profited on it. So, basically you have one person who is actively abusing the power of their positions for personal gain, and one who people think might do it, but as of yet hasn't. Most of these elites know each other personally, the conspiracy is just a fabrication. Just like all people who tend to be in the same lines of business know each other well, so do these guys -- it's just they're in the big leagues and the people they know are across international lines. Simply knowing people, or working with them in the past doesn't indicate any misdeeds at all, we're in a free country... We can work with anyone not specifically prohibited by the government. Russia has been working with the USA for awhile, I'm over it.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

So do you support these Republican representatives in their urging Trump to keep his promises to release his tax returns? I do. If you don't, why not?

I support everyone asking for that in this regard. A person should keep their promises.

Why, in your opinion, hasn't he released his tax returns?

I don't know and am not going to make any rash assumptions.

 

[leibowde84]

So do you support these Republican representatives in their urging Trump to keep his promises to release his tax returns? I do. If you don't, why not?

I certainly do. He promised to release his full tax returns, so he should be held accountable. This isn't an issue where he can place blame on congress or democrats. He is the only one who can do or fail to do this.

Why, in your opinion, hasn't he released his tax returns?

I think he 1. doesn't really make that much money since the recession OR 2. he owes sizeable amounts to russian interests (banks controlled by Putin ... which is every bank in Russia).

 

[VioletVortex]

Trump is a character written up to make the "right wing" look bad while damaging and manipulating the political system in the favor of the puppeteers. I knew this from the beginning, and I knew that he would win, however, some of his false promises noted good things, and I wish he kept them.

 

[tytlyf]

Do You Support Republicans Calling for Trump to Keep his Promises?

I'm not a republican, I'd expect the person I voted for to keep their promises. Which is why I don't vote republican.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Nothing is worse that Obama using his influence to get Hillary elected, nor is anything worse than him spying on the Trump campaign for her. This is Watergate level corruption, and nothing Trump has done has even been close.

Luckily there is no evidence whatsoever that such a thing occurred. Obama did nothing of the kind, and unless you're an "Alex Jones conspiracy theorist", the left and right media outlets agree with that.

Any how do you know anything regarding what Trump has done/not done, and whether it's worse/better? The lack of tax returns means that you literally have no information to make that judgement.

This thread is a bit off on the point here, so I'll start with this: Tax returns have nothing to do with establishing perceived wealth vs actual wealth. The real reason they are important, is to allows the American people to understand:

1. Which foreign policy positions benefit him personally. There is a potential conflict of interest between US relations and his personal interests.

2. Which budget expenditures, such as infrastructure, energy, military, etc. benefit him or his holding personally. He could literally approve an infrastructure bill that uses tax payer dollars to improve his own property, and we would have no idea.

3. Does he have any income, property, or relationships with bad dudes that could be hostile to US law. I'm not saying he does, but releasing his returns can clear that up instantly.

4. What specific tax reform proposals produce more wealth for himself. Which kinds, and how much? How much tax has be personally paid over the last 40 years, and how does that compare to the average US citizen? Reform can't go forward until we know this.

5. What about charitable giving? This is not a huge issue, but it does lend to a character debate if he literally gave nothing of himself or anybody, ever. There's a pretty good chance this is true, too.

He is in a position to benefit himself greatly, and until we see the returns and answer these questions, we have no idea how much, or which proposals. We don't know the man, or what he's capable of. It utterly retards his ability to govern. . . And it turns him into Kryptonyte politically with other Republicans. We're already seeing it happen with several rising stars in the GOP inexplicably choosing to avoid reelection in 2018.

If you're a conservative who wants to forward a conservative agenda, you do realize that nothing will happen until these returns are released.

 

[Mindmaster]

If you're a conservative who wants to forward a conservative agenda, you do realize that nothing will happen until these returns are released.

No amount of mental gymnastics is going to make me a conservative, but I still see his tax returns as irrelevant. Case in point, they are not released, he is still elected to the position. (Obviously, the voters largely found it just as irrelevant as I did.) The bulk of your post is poorly veiled character assassination attempts, aka you must be an Alex Jones fan or whatever -- again irrelevant to anything, other than making yourself feel good... I guess... Even AJ prints the news, for the most part..

Liberals are basically distracted by worthless drivel at this juncture because their media is focused on it, much like how the average trash rag is focused on Kim Kardashian. I'm so glad I neither care what they or the conservatives say, and btw, AJ _IS NOT_ and _HAS NEVER BEEN_ a conservative, just to clear that up.

The reality is: RNC raises record-setting $41.5M haul

 

[Kuzcotopia]

No amount of mental gymnastics is going to make me a conservative, but I still see his tax returns as irrelevant. Case in point, they are not released, he is still elected to the position. (Obviously, the voters largely found it just as irrelevant as I did.) The bulk of your post is poorly veiled character assassination attempts, aka you must be an Alex Jones fan or whatever -- again irrelevant to anything, other than making yourself feel good... I guess... Even AJ prints the news, for the most part..

Liberals are basically distracted by worthless drivel at this juncture because their media is focused on it, much like how the average trash rag is focused on Kim Kardashian. I'm so glad I neither care what they or the conservatives say, and btw, AJ _IS NOT_ and _HAS NEVER BEEN_ a conservative, just to clear that up.

The reality is: RNC raises record-setting $41.5M haul

I pointed out why their relevant, and why any policies put forward by Trump may fail because it's a toxic issue with the Republican base. You can believe it or not, but clearly you can't cogently refute those realities.

You clearly didn't provide any evidence when you repeated Trump's wiretapping claim again, because it's a clear lie.

Your passive defense of Alex Jones is telling, and explains your confusion on these matters. I don't care what the two of you call yourselves politically, nether of you can muster an argument or a substantiated claim regarding Obama's lack of surveillance and the reasons why tump needs to release his returns.

 

[Falvlun]

I think @Kuzcotopia thoroughly outlined the reasons for wanting the tax returns and why they are relevant for the voting populace to make an informed choice.

No amount of mental gymnastics is going to make me a conservative, but I still see his tax returns as irrelevant. Case in point, they are not released, he is still elected to the position. (Obviously, the voters largely found it just as irrelevant as I did.)

That Republican voters voted for a Republican despite him not releasing his tax returns is hardly evidence that they are irrelevant. At best, you can claim that they are irrelevant to getting elected. (In these days, pretty much everything is irrelevant to voters besides what letter you have next to your name.)

But getting elected is a different bear than the ability to actually govern all Americans (not just Republicans), with the assurance that there are no illegal or morally concerning conflicts of interest.

No. He's hiding a lot of info that would lead to his removal. Period.

I doubt there's anything criminal or impeachable in there. If there were, wouldn't the IRS have to report it regardless if they were released?

 

[leibowde84]

I'm pretty sure the Russian government is more trustworthy than the DNC at this point, at least if we are keeping score. I mean, the RNC is full of knuckle-dragging trogs too... Hence our current "state of affairs"... With the clean sweep the RNC got, they should be more effectual.

It is pretty clear that both the DNC and RNC are both equally dishonest.

 

[columbus]

It is pretty clear that both the DNC and RNC are both equally dishonest.

However, only one matters now. And for at least 2 more years.
That's the RNC for the partisans who fail to grasp that Clinton isn't a politician any more, much less president.
Tom

 

[leibowde84]

However, only one matters now. And for at least 2 more years.
That's the RNC for the partisans who fail to grasp that Clinton isn't a politician any more, much less president.
Tom

You are right on that. Clinton is out. I am hoping for an Al Franken run myself.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

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I doubt there's anything criminal or impeachable in there. If there were, wouldn't the IRS have to report it regardless if they were released?

I'm quoting some online "tax expert" here, so (not knowing the laws applicable to the IRS) I am in no way sure this is true.....but,

"It depends on what you mean by “illegal.”

If you mean “violate criminal tax laws,” the answer is: maybe so, maybe not. Criminal tax cases are quite difficult to prove for a lot of reasons. They take a long time to investigate and prosecute. However, there’s simply no reason to believe that there’s a criminal tax investigation of Trump; every indication is that his returns are being examined as civil audits.

If you mean “file a tax return that does not comply with law, necessitating adjustments,” the answer is that this is not a prosecutable offense. People make mistakes on tax returns; they omit items; they misreport items. And even if the return is allegedly fraudulent, it is often the case that the IRS imposes a fraud penalty without any criminal prosecution.

So it is possible that the IRS may take the position that there should be adjustments in Trump’s returns. If so, these might be based on doing something contrary to law or regulation, but not criminal.

But all of that is just speculation. The IRS is obligated not to disclose the status or results of its investigation. Any disclosure must be by the voluntary choice of Mr. Trump.

To this point, he has chosen not to make that disclosure despite having previously promised to do so. Presumably he does not think disclosure would be in his interests."
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Making business deals in Russia and other nations is by no means illegal. However that is exactly why the emoluments clause in the Constitution exists, because of the conflict of interest, and duality of the president's loyalty which would be created with even legal business connections to other countries.

 

[tytlyf]

No amount of mental gymnastics is going to make me a conservative, but I still see his tax returns as irrelevant. Case in point, they are not released, he is still elected to the position. (Obviously, the voters largely found it just as irrelevant as I did.) The bulk of your post is poorly veiled character assassination attempts, aka you must be an Alex Jones fan or whatever -- again irrelevant to anything, other than making yourself feel good... I guess... Even AJ prints the news, for the most part..

Liberals are basically distracted by worthless drivel at this juncture because their media is focused on it, much like how the average trash rag is focused on Kim Kardashian. I'm so glad I neither care what they or the conservatives say, and btw, AJ _IS NOT_ and _HAS NEVER BEEN_ a conservative, just to clear that up.

The reality is: RNC raises record-setting $41.5M haul

You're not a conservative? What are you?

Concerning the RNC raising money, what does that have to do with anything? Where were the donations coming from? We're talking about the crooked corporate republican party you know?/

 

[whirlingmerc]

all politicians should be expected to keep their words or explain why

 

[columbus]

all politicians should be expected to keep their words or explain why

In all honesty, Trump made a big batch of promises I considered abominations. I am rather pleased that the political reality is that many are so progressive they are unkeepable.
That seemed obvious to me during the campaign, but enough people (in the right places to game the rigged system) believed them call Trump's bluff.
Tom

 

[Falvlun]

In all honesty, Trump made a big batch of promises I considered abominations. I am rather pleased that the political reality is that many are so progressive they are unkeepable.
That seemed obvious to me during the campaign, but enough people (in the right places to game the rigged system) believed them call Trump's bluff.
Tom

The problem is that we had one candidate promising unicorns and rainbows and people loved it and the other candidate saying that unicorns don't exist and that only specific meteorological conditions create rainbows and people are still pissed at her.

We seriously need a more educated populace and, like, yesterday. It's easy to make nice sounding promises. It's a lot harder to make promises that have some basis in fact. And until people can differentiate, we're gonna be stuck with bloviating celebrities for a while.

 

[tytlyf]

We seriously need a more educated populace and, like, yesterday. It's easy to make nice sounding promises. It's a lot harder to make promises that have some basis in fact. And until people can differentiate, we're gonna be stuck with bloviating celebrities for a while.

Exactly. Now you understand part of the reason why RW media doesn't encourage an education and doesn't encourage higher learning (college). The other part is the corporate establishment sees a lot of education tax payer dollars that they want directed to their pockets.

Ain't capitalism (when it reaches a certain level) grand?!