Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[McBell]

In the context I used them, which is in my understanding of God, they are not the same. I only ever used form as a noun anyway, really. I have been trying to explain to you my understanding of God in response to your question. Our understandings are different, of course, which may be the root of some of your hostility.

He seems to have a one track mind.
I am not trying to be insulting, merely suggesting that once his train gets on a track of thought, it is nie impossible for him to alter course.

It is not a necessarily a bad thing, but it does get aggravating sometimes.

 

[Kirran]

Ah,so it's not about synonyme?!!

you used ony "form" as noun, but you used it as verb continous to deny the synonyme !!

it's could be used as verb, to answser to this question.
"Who formed you ?"

It's about English, including synonyms. I don't believe some agent formed me, I believe that this individual is a form taken by and within God.

 

[Godobeyer]

It's about English, including synonyms. I don't believe some agent formed me, I believe that this individual is a form taken by and within God.

What agent you talking about ?
we are talking about God.

Who gave that form ?

 

[Kirran]

What agent you talking about ?
we are talking about God.

Who gave that form ?

An agent is an entity which acts, essentially. In your understanding, God is an agent. In mine, God is not because everything is God.

Who gave that form? Nobody 'gave' it in my understanding. God appears as all forms, there's nobody outside God to 'give' the form.

 

[Godobeyer]

An agent is an entity which acts, essentially. In your understanding, God is an agent. In mine, God is not because everything is God.

Who gave that form? Nobody 'gave' it in my understanding. God appears as all forms, there's nobody outside God to 'give' the form.

That's will make me crazy a bit.

Sometimes you said , we created by God, sometimes you said , I have form.

Where is problem to say God gave us forms/ or God created us ?
because that what happened.

 

[Kirran]

That's will make me crazy a bit.

Sometimes you said , we created by God, sometimes you said , I have form.

Where is problem to say God gave us forms/ or God created us ?
because that what happened.

Learning about other people's views can do that brother!

Because I don't believe God is separate from us! So it wouldn't make sense to say it like that. I believe only God exists, and that everything is God. So creation, which is the taking of form, occurs within God but can't be said to be some action done by one entity upon other entities.

 

[Godobeyer]

Learning about other people's views can do that brother!

Because I don't believe God is separate from us! So it wouldn't make sense to say it like that. I believe only God exists, and that everything is God. So creation, which is the taking of form, occurs within God but can't be said to be some action done by one entity upon other entities.

So you can worship your self or others humans .

Ok , if you believe that God is everywhere, why you made idols and worship idol .them?


Who design cars ?

Who designed you ?

 

[Kirran]

So you can worship your self or others humans .

Ok , if you believe that God is everywhere, why you made idols and worship idol .them?


Who design cars ?

Who designed you ?

No, so I can recognise God everywhere. God appears to us in the form of idols if it's helpful for us to identify with Him in that way, but to some people it's not useful. That's why some religions include idol worship, and some don't, it depends what people need.

Who designed cars? At a proximal level, various people working in car R&D, mostly. Who designed me? Nobody, I simply am in the form I am. So is the car, really, but we like our narratives. Ultimately all these forms are unreal in the face of the Infinity of God.

 

[Godobeyer]

No, so I can recognise God everywhere. God appears to us in the form of idols if it's helpful for us to identify with Him in that way, but to some people it's not useful. That's why some religions include idol worship, and some don't, it depends what people need.

Who designed cars? At a proximal level, various people working in car R&D, mostly. Who designed me? Nobody, I simply am in the form I am. So is the car, really, but we like our narratives. Ultimately all these forms are unreal in the face of the Infinity of God.

1-Does God said I am not designer ?

2-If I take your claim , so we are more advanced than God, we can design things, God can't design things !

3- Why God appears in His-self by forms to you ! is not everything is form God as you believe !?

 

[McBell]

No, so I can recognise God everywhere. God appears to us in the form of idols if it's helpful for us to identify with Him in that way, but to some people it's not useful. That's why some religions include idol worship, and some don't, it depends what people need.

Who designed cars? At a proximal level, various people working in car R&D, mostly. Who designed me? Nobody, I simply am in the form I am. So is the car, really, but we like our narratives. Ultimately all these forms are unreal in the face of the Infinity of God.

You gonna melt his brain.

or...


He gonna declare gibberish

 

[Kirran]

1-Does God said I am not designer ?

2-If I take your claim , so we are more advanced than God, we can design things, God can't design things !

3- Why God appears in His-self by forms to you ! is not everything is form God as you believe !?

1) God is everything.

2) All design is a fiction, it occurs within God. So the car-designer is God.

3) Yes, very good catch! All forms are God's forms! But God takes certain forms if they are helpful for his devotees' development.

 

[Godobeyer]

1) God is everything.

So why you deny that He is designer?

2) All design is a fiction, it occurs within God. So the car-designer is God.

human-designer is god too ?

3) Yes, very good catch! .

I always do

 

[Kirran]

So why you deny that He is designer?

Because designer implies an external entity.

human-designer is god too ?

Not in the sense of being a god. But in the sense of being God, yes. As all things are the one God.

I always do

As you say.

 

[Godobeyer]

Because designer implies an external entity.

Where is problem God is designer/creator of everthying.

Not in the sense of being a god. But in the sense of being God, yes. As all things are the one God.

I don't mean to upper alphabites or down.

So in end you believe God is the Designer of everything.

 

[Kirran]

Where is problem God is designer/creator of everthying.

I don't mean to upper alphabites or down.

So in end you believe God is the Designer of everything.

Do you understand what I mean when I say 'Saying God is the designer implies that God is an external entity'?

 

[Godobeyer]

Do you understand what I mean when I say 'Saying God is the designer implies that God is an external entity'?

I am agree with that, that logically correct meaning.

We are our His creation. If I am God I will order my self to be rich or live long,and it will be.

 

[Kirran]

I am agree with that, that logically correct meaning.

We are our His creation. If I am God I will order my self to be rich or live long,and it will be.

I don't believe in God as an external entity. So it doesn't apply.

 

[Godobeyer]

I don't believe in God as an external entity. So it doesn't apply.

But there is not prove it's intern entity.

the prove that you made a idols to worship/refer Him.

I can't call my self God,because I can't live forever or do everything I want.

We belong/created by God is more sense.

 

[Kirran]

But there is not prove it's intern entity.

the prove that you made a idols to worship/refer Him.

I can't call my self God,because I can't live forever or do everything I want.

We belong/created by God is more sense.

I don't believe there's any proof of duality. It has no basis.

One can argue about what makes more sense, but based on my own experience this is what makes sense. Everything is God. Individuality is an illusion. All is God's play.

Contemplate on tawhid.

 

[Godobeyer]

I don't believe there's any proof of duality. It has no basis.

One can argue about what makes more sense, but based on my own experience this is what makes sense. Everything is God. Individuality is an illusion. All is God's play.

Contemplate on tawhid.

We don't believe everything is God , we believe everything is God creation.

God can't order people to be evil or doing crimes,so call that is God deed.

If someone kill my mother , I will not say that person God killed my God mother.

I will say that person killed my mother.


Not it's not tawhid, tawhid is one God is Creator of everything (no partners, no idols).