Bacteria are living organisms. Those which caused the Black Death (Yersinia pestis) seems likely to have been carried by Oriental rat fleas, themselves living on the black rat. A good article about it that clarified the causative agent.
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Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?
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Bacteria are living organisms. Those which caused the Black Death (Yersinia pestis) seems likely to have been carried by Oriental rat fleas, themselves living on the black rat. A good article about it that clarified the causative agent.
You told me anything, about what are theism religions don't agree with creationism view.
I post a statics link about religions of world you said " probably".
No I don't like it.
I undserstood it from here:
I find it as dishonest and hypocrisy comment to critizise the Christianity/Judaism old view/understanding about earth to please the atheists, because you believe in creation and Creator,get it ?
Yeah, I google it I find it's caused by rats.
Yes, I did. All those which subscribe to cyclic or otherwise non-linear views of time. This includes a variety of traditions, including many Buddhist, Hindu and pagan understandings.
Also, of course, you put evolution and creation in opposition. This isn't necessary at all.
You said 'most people believe in creation' and posted a link which reported global religious statistics. These are not the same thing.
It's hard to find statistics globally, but a substantial proportion of people do accept evolution, just as a matter of interest.
I'm not sure the chart is coming through. If not, click here.
I also see that India is 77%, including 85% of Indians who believe in God and have heard of evolution.
You said that the majority of people believed in creation as if the fact the majority of people believed in something had some importance. My response was that just because the majority of people at one time believed the Earth was flat didn't impact whether what they believed was true, so this applied also to what the majority of people believe now. Do you understand?
You seem to think I want to please atheists a lot. I don't see why I'd particularly want to please them as a group. I approach people as individuals.
Interestingly, Yersinia pestis can be carried by various different flea species, which in turn can infest a variety of small mammals. That's partly why plague pops up again so regularly, like it did in Madagascar a couple of years ago. With modern medicine, we are much better able to deal with it.
Shad
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We can see the miners dig the ore, the smelters take the ore to create a refined material and haulers that transport the material to a market center all of which the watchmaker never does themselves.
Shad
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These do not have critical roles. All of these had effects that could be helpful to life. You are projecting a teleological view point without justification. More so while some life may have benefited from such events other life did not. Now if the dinosaurs were wiped out by a asteroid or meteor this does not benefit the dinosaurs. All you have done is highlight events that benefited our form of life while ignoring species that did not benefit, were harmed or wiped out by such an event. Selection bias, nothing more.
Teleological projection, nothing more. Typical of theists that read purpose into everything.
Shad
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This is your problem not mine. You do not like logic, reject it then act as if your irrational opinion is equal, it isn't. Besides the argument itself is based on logic thus you have rejected the very argument discussed due to "nerdy terminologies"
Your use of "nerdy terminologies" shows your lack of value for logic thus most of the services and systems you use. It shows how shallow your thinking is.
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Even 50% of Hindu or pagan or Buddihst don't believe in creation/Creator,so that are not the majority.
I post a thread to stop oppose them. because evolution is not origin of life.
Because top religions of world taught creation/Creator view, so majority are pro-creationism.
You picked old understanding of creation/Creator in Christianity and Judaism, to critizise/"insult" their old creation/Creator view. DESPITE that you are with creation and Creator.That's definitly was high level of dishonesty.
When you critizised religions understanding had expired about creationism (of Christains and Jews),
AND you are believe in creation and Creator, that definitly don't had other meaning,except pleasing the atheists.
Yeah, that's why I suspect you're right. So I said yeah, probably.
Dude, you're really fixated on the particular example. The example is irrelevant to the point I was making with it.
And let's not get carried away. My view on creation is very different to yours.
Ultimately the world is an illusion, because it's all only God in His Infinity - this is what we ajativada - the doctrine of the world not having been born.
Gotta give'em credit for whatever they do, specially if they struggled for it
Please refer to the natural theology so things can be clear about it before I can decide if it is nonsense
Here is the spectrum of belief in evolution in USA among various religious groups. Hindus and Buddhists have the highest acceptance rate, as expected (80% and 81%) respectively.
http://www.pewforum.org/2009/02/04/religious-differences-on-the-question-of-evolution/
The proportion that say evolution is compatible with god is even higher in India
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2009/jul/01/evolution
Since the India data is not separated by faith, its unclear how many were Hindus in the sample. The proportion of Hindus espousing compatibility is likely to be higher.
Believe me, with all due respect, I'm having the exact same thoughts about you, my friend. The only difference is that what I say is something I share with others (at least by default), not that I try to impose it as the truth. It's okay. Cheer up
You suspect I am right, I guess we living in same world,it's not secrect that most of world are theists.
Your exemple was all dishonesty and hypocrisy.
I know we had different views on creation (Islam-Christianity,Hinduism, Budduism...etc), but we share the same concept, that why I find it unrespectful to mentioned to different view (flath earth),to please the atheists. despite you knew that I was talking about that we share the same concept of "creation/Creator".
Again: the point was about creationism, not theism.
Do we share the same concept? It varies hugely.
Stop being so fixated on the example, learn to have a discussion.
most or Alll Christians/Jews are creationism and theists.
I don't talk about variety in how we believe, that card is represent your dishonesty when you used it.
because I was talking about "creation/Creator" full stop.
Most, yes. But not all theists are creationists.
Do you think the cyclic view of time adhered to by many Hindu philosophers counts within your "creation/Creator" concept? Or is that not creationism?
Separately, remember a very large majority of Hindus believe in evolution!
I know, they are very few, like Satanits.
We believers had different beliefs about creation and Creator,view of Christianity/Judaim not same to Islam, nor Hinduism nor Budduism ...etc but ALL believe in Creator and creation (my point).
Why you played the game of different views of creation despite that you know that I meant commun concept ?
It's very ridiculous and sly that you used Christian/Judaism old view to critizise the creationism, despite you are believe in creation and Creator. to please the atheists, get it ?
Evolution without God "As origin of life",you wrong.
btw why you bring evolution since it's not about origin of life ?
I never mentionned to "earth flat" you did,it's was not may idea or my logic.
the logic that I support you actualy support, and Jews and Christians suppoted it, " Creator" as origin of life. VS atheist "No Creator".
Yes,you criticised creationism old view of Christianity and Judaism, "earth flat" old view.
I agree, that's rare.
Because many people posit simplistic creation as the proximal origin of the species we observe today.
I know you did not mention the flat Earth. Please try to understand what I'm saying Godobeyer - you said that the majority of people believed in something, as if the fact the majority of people believed it had some importance. Do you understand that you said this? I responded by saying that at one time the majority of people believed something that we now know to be false. The example I used was the flat Earth, because it's an easy example to use that is found across many different cultures as well as being arguably enshrined in outmoded forms of the Abrahamic religions. This was to demonstrate that just because the majority of people believe something, that doesn't mean it is true. That was the point of my comment.
Please tell me you understand this time.