Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[Godobeyer]

Because many people posit simplistic creation as the proximal origin of the species we observe today.

In end it's about creation as origin of life by Creator.

I know you did not mention the flat Earth. Please try to understand what I'm saying Godobeyer - you said that the majority of people believed in something, as if the fact the majority of people believed it had some importance. Do you understand that you said this? I responded by saying that at one time the majority of people believed something that we now know to be false. The example I used was the flat Earth, because it's an easy example to use that is found across many different cultures as well as being arguably enshrined in outmoded forms of the Abrahamic religions. This was to demonstrate that just because the majority of people believe something, that doesn't mean it is true. That was the point of my comment.

Please tell me you understand this time.

I do understand you from first post.

You made deviation of my origin point "creation/Creator"to details . to criticise creationism of Christainity and Judaism old view, so you crticised the concept of "creationism"

It's first time in my life I found someone criticised his commun concept (creation/Creator) shared with other religions to please the atheists.

 

[Kirran]

In end it's about creation as origin of life by Creator.

OK, fair enough

I do understand you from first post.

You made deviation of my origin point "creation/Creator"to details . to criticise creationism of Christainity and Judaism old view, so you crticised the concept of "creationism"

It's first time in my life I found someone criticised his commun concept (creation/Creator) shared with other religions to please the atheists.

No, you have not understood my point then. I WAS NOT AIMING CRITICISM AT BELIEF IN A FLAT EARTH. If you can't understand this then we've gone beyond it just being about you not understanding English to something else.

 

[Godobeyer]

No, you have not understood my point then. I WAS NOT AIMING CRITICISM AT BELIEF IN A FLAT EARTH. If you can't understand this then we've gone beyond it just being about you not understanding English to something else.

But I did not understand why you criticised creationism old view of Christainity about earth,despite that you are believe in creation !!

I understand English,you laugh then you criticised Christianity and Judaism "Old beliefs" by said they were believed in earth was flat.

So creationism belief was wrong (flat earth), and so it's probably could be wrong too !

Do you understand my point now ?

 

[Kirran]

But I did not understand why you criticised creationism old view of Christainity about earth,despite that you are believe in creation !!

I understand English,you laugh then you criticised Christianity and Judaism "Old beliefs" by said they were believed in earth was flat.

So creationism belief was wrong (flat earth), and so it's probably could be wrong too !

Do you understand my point now ?

I didn't criticise it. I used it as an example of how something being widely believed doesn't have a bearing on whether it's true.

I did not mock this idea. I did not laugh at it. I did not criticise it. I merely operated under the assumption that it was incorrect.

 

[viole]

I don't know for sure,it's rumor or real.
Everthing is possible especially in this era.

for
Black death bacteria, caused by rats.

Yes, but who created them?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Gotta give'em credit for whatever they do, specially if they struggled for it

Please refer to the natural theology so things can be clear about it before I can decide if it is nonsense

I was referring to the watchman thing. I think it comes from Paley, or someone with a similar nane.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Smart_Guy]

I was referring to the watchman thing. I think it comes from Paley, or someone with a similar nane.

I actually just wanted to know what you were referring to. I wouldn't call any theology/belief/religion/claim/thought/understanding/opinion/view/etc. nonsense simply for not being convinced of it or don't like it/accept it. Maybe it does not make sense, but I'd just say it does not make sense to me to just explain my understanding, but never saying it is nonsense. It is what respectful, considerate and well mannered people do, as I see

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes, but who created them?

Ciao

- viole

By rats and insects.

It's chemical reaction,it's will not appears from nothing.

 

[Kirran]

By rats and insects.

It's chemical reaction,it's will not appears from nothing.

Do you know what bacteria are, Godobeyer?

 

[Godobeyer]

I didn't criticise it. I used it as an example of how something being widely believed doesn't have a bearing on whether it's true.

I did not mock this idea. I did not laugh at it. I did not criticise it. I merely operated under the assumption that it was incorrect.

You can't hide the sun light.

Actually you laugh and mock at it,and criticise it by you said it was incorrect.

If you said the otherwsie you are lieing.

 

[viole]

I actually just wanted to know what you were referring to. I wouldn't call any theology/belief/religion/claim/thought/understanding/opinion/view/etc. nonsense simply for not being convinced of it or don't like it/accept it. Maybe it does not make sense, but I'd just say it does not make sense to me to just explain my understanding, but never saying it is nonsense. It is what respectful, considerate and well mannered people do, as I see

Well, I appreciate your fairness and respect for other people beliefs. I wish I could do that. Alas, I can only respect people, not necessarily their beliefs. And I expect they return the courtesy. For sure, I cannot possibly be offended for what i believe, since I can make a difference between the two. After all, I try to do my best to address beliefs and not the person. Science and knowledge would collapse if we confused the two.

In other words, if something looks nonsense to me, then I do not feel any moral reason not to call it nonsense, especially if I can show that it is, indeed, nonsense.

And the watchman natural theology argument is nonsense, since it negates its premise. As it can be easily seen.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Godobeyer]

Do you know what bacteria are, Godobeyer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria

 

[viole]

By rats and insects.

So, rats created the complex DNA structure of the Black Death bacterium?

It's chemical reaction,it's will not appears from nothing.

Sure you are not a naturalist, too?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Kirran]

You can't hide the sun light.

Actually you laugh and mock at it,and criticise it by you said it was incorrect.

If you said the otherwsie you are lieing.

Provide quotes to back this up. Where are examples of me mocking it, laughing at it, doing anything other than using it as an example of a resoundingly outmoded theory?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria

So what was that about a chemical reaction?

I really would recommend you learn some biology if you want to participate in these kinds of discussions.

 

[Godobeyer]

Provide quotes to back this up. Where are examples of me mocking it, laughing at it, doing anything other than using it as an example of a resoundingly outmoded theory?

This

Hahaha, man, you can't be serious? Go back 3000 years and the majority of people thought the Earth was flat, didn't make it true.

My point what creationism majority population, you inserted that ridiculous comment.

Notice that I did not mentionned to earth was flat ,others and you did.to laugh !

So what was that about a chemical reaction?

I really would recommend you learn some biology if you want to participate in these kinds of discussions.

Bacteria is almost everywhere , just had many types.

It's known rats bacteria was caused black death disease.

 

[Kirran]

This


My point what creationism majority population, you inserted that ridiculous comment.

Notice that I did not mentionned to earth was flat ,others and you did.to laugh !

Where in that quote do I mock the idea? I laughed at the logic you were using. How can you not understand this yet? Do you understand what 'fixated' means? Do you understand what 'illustrating a point' means?

I never said you said the Earth was flat or that you said anything about it.

Bacteria is almost everywhere , just had many types.

It's known rats bacteria was caused black death disease.

OK, so no chemical reactions involved. Black rats carried Oriental fleas, and the fleas carried a particularly bad straing of the bacterium Yersinia pestis.

 

[Godobeyer]

Where in that quote do I mock the idea? I laughed at the logic you were using. How can you not understand this yet? Do you understand what 'fixated' means? Do you understand what 'illustrating a point' means?

I never said you said the Earth was flat or that you said anything about it.
.

My idea was "creationists are majority" so I doubt that you mock or laugh it!!

My logic was direct ," creationism are more than atheism" but you and others made a deviation to" earth was flat ", just to insult the belief of creation.

 

[Kirran]

My idea was "creationists are majority" so I doubt that you mock or laugh it!!

My logic was direct ," creationism are more than atheism" but you and others made a deviation to" earth was flat ", just to insult the belief of creation.

Nah, it was the logic of 'most people believe in creationism, therefore it's true' which you implied that I was objecting to.

That's democraty. majority always win.

 

[Godobeyer]

Nah, it was the logic of 'most people believe in creationism, therefore it's true' which you implied that I was objecting to.

Yes how that is make you laugh, and criticised Christian/Judaism belief !

That's democraty. majority always win.

Yes majority is win in democarty, why you linked it to earth was flat, despite 3000 years ago the Jews were not majority !

Even if they were majority ,that's exemple you should NOT repeat it or illustered it because it's does not deny my point.

 

[Kirran]

Yes how that is make you laugh, and criticised Christian/Judaism belief !

Yes majority is win in democarty, why you linked it to earth was flat, despite 3000 years ago the Jews were not majority !

Even if they were majority ,that's exemple you should NOT repeat it or illustered it because it's does not deny my point.

It makes me laugh because I couldn't believe you were really arguing it. I didn't criticise the belief, I used it as an example to demonstrate why that point is ridiculous.

Not only Jews believed in a flat Earth! It seems plausible that the majority of people alive 3000 years ago believed the Earth was flat. If a democracy always wins, that means the Earth was flat 3000 years ago!

Obviously that is nonsense. So the same goes for you saying the majority are creationists has any effect on whether the idea is true.