Do you think Pope is wise in making this statement even in quote?

[kai]

Good job Kai,

Why did these battles take place? and in what circumstances? Were people forced to accept Islam? I think You'll find that 'no' answers the later question, as for the former questions keep reading.

here is a summary of the battle of badr
The Battle of Badr took place between the Quraish and the Muslims near the Well of Badr, which was located near Mecca. The Prophet decided that interrupting the trade of the Quraish would be an effective counterattack to their aggression against Muslims. He commanded the capture of a Quraish trade caravan passing near Medina, but the leader of the caravan, Abu Sufyan, managed to escape and called for assistance. The Quraish gathered over one thousand soldiers who marched north to confront the Muslims at Badr. Though the army of the Quraish was three times the size of the Muslim army, they were defeated and the Muslims achieved a glorious victory.
source:http://dictionary.al-islam.com/ENG/Dicts/SelDict.asp?Lang=ENG&CurrPage=1&Theme=20&RDF=1&DI=68

what is you unique selling point, i am not sure what you are saying ?

 

[TashaN]

amazing to think he won those battles without a sword

i have been studying the history

the battle of badr
the battle of the trench
the battle of uhud
the battle of Quraizhah
the battle of mutah

the sword would be a major factor in these battles no!

kai, are you serious? Would you rocammand to use a knife or a stick to defend themselves against a well trained and strong army.

I really have no idea what you are talking about, seriously !!!

At that time all were using swords, you know that isn't it?

 

[TashaN]

I actually think that Muslims have acted OK over the Pope incident. It's the crap that we see below that they come out with here and there that turns me off real quick.

Oh my, such a thing always happen and not ony within Muslims but others as well.

When i heard what the Pope said in the news, it was normal. What do you expect from such a person. I was drinking my tea and watching what his next step would be !!!

My friend suggested that, if he apologized so it gonna be like hell for many christians catholics out there. Nevertheless, if he didn't so the whole world would criticize him. Therefore, he just was struggling to make it straight in the middle between both of these two.

I didn't see people protesting in here.

Just because few people did that in these pictures so that means more than 1 billion Muslims will be painted the same was as those?

Oh man, i'm being tired of the double standard held by some people in here. :faint:

 

[kreeden]

Oh my, such a thing always happen and not ony within Muslims but others as well.

Yes , I agree . That is what happens when religion , ANY RELIGION becomes political ....

And I have no doubt that what the Pope said was well planned ... politics again . However , I have no idea what he hoped to accomplish by saying it . But I don't think that it accomplished what they had hoped for .

 

[darkpenguin]

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/15/pope.islam/index.html



As the spiritual leader of one of the world's major religions, he should really be very careful to bring the quote from the 14th century emperor to illustrate his point of view.
Either he is dumb, or he did it on purpose to create a diversion for the political situation of the world currently being bogged down by GB war of terror, which has been interpreted by most people now as "war on Islam". The the Pope would like to drag the millions and billions of Catholics into this muddy water...... sad:sad4:
It reminds me of the cartoon episode....

why should he be carfull in what he says? why should he not be relentless and harsh in his words about the holly war? i agree with him far more than i agree with the farce that is the holly war. how is it holly to kill people? maim people? it is not! at the end of the day he is free to express his views as we all are, albeit on a higher platform then most of us will ever get to speak from!

 

[kreeden]

why should he be carfull in what he says? why should he not be relentless and harsh in his words about the holly war? i agree with him far more than i agree with the farce that is the holly war. how is it holly to kill people? maim people? it is not! at the end of the day he is free to express his views as we all are, albeit on a higher platform then most of us will ever get to speak from!

Actually , there are limitations to all rights . Even the so-called right of " Freedom of Speech ".

But my question is how is hate any holier then war ?

 

[greatcalgarian]

why should he be carfull in what he says? why should he not be relentless and harsh in his words about the holly war? i agree with him far more than i agree with the farce that is the holly war. how is it holly to kill people? maim people? it is not! at the end of the day he is free to express his views as we all are, albeit on a higher platform then most of us will ever get to speak from!

For people in that high position, responsibility is there. Any action that resulted in uprising and disturbances is then deemed bad for those in that position.

 

[greatcalgarian]

The ad hominem is as inaccurate as it is childish. The fact of the matter is that I only open applications from trusted sources.

That source is safe to open

 

[kai]

kai, are you serious? Would you rocammand to use a knife or a stick to defend themselves against a well trained and strong army.

I really have no idea what you are talking about, seriously !!!

At that time all were using swords, you know that isn't it?

TT the post was for Liala who said there wasnt any use of the sword!

 

[TashaN]

TT the post was for Liala who said there wasnt any use of the sword!

You were talking about islam kai, and i don't care to whom it was directed at.

When people mention the sword they try to enforce the kind of thinking that islam spread only by the sword and violence. That's why she said there was no use of the sword in spreading islam but because it's a true faith of God and the sword was just a tool to defend themselves from the unbelievers who prescuted them, forcing them to flee from Mecca leaving back their money, homes and everything just because they said, God is one, alone, and we associate no partner with him.

 

[Laila]

TT the post was for Liala who said there wasnt any use of the sword!

Sweet heart, my point was ' The Prophet Muhhamed (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) did not spread Islam with the sword'.

Please refer back to my post (no.112) to clarify this should you need to, I never said a sword was not used.
The battles you correctly mentioned did take place but they did not take place to spread Islam. They took place for JUSTICE as injustice had taken place. To say the Prophet (SAWS) used the sword to spread Islam is slander. The Prophet (SAWS) never forced anyone to accept Islam, this is a totally unsound and hurtful thing to say about such a good person.

This is the truth kai, why do you think the Pope's speech (even said in quote) was so offensive to the Muslims. We wouldn't make such a deal about it if he was telling the truth - would we?

 

[robtex]

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/15/pope.islam/index.html

"He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'"

I think to many catholics this is a honest interpretation of how they view Islam and I thin k the exact inverse is true of how many Muslims view Catholics. Maybe, hopefully, by throwing out a very tacky non-pc comment like this a resolution will be forced by the anger generated by the comment. I wonder if any catholic churches since this, have made any effort to learn about Islam or if any Muslims have made any effort to learn about catholics?

I think the only solution that may produce good is the learning of each other's cultures . Not neccessary accepting everything or anything about them but at least taking the time to make judgments and evaluations from something other than ignorance.

 

[kai]

Sweet heart, my point was ' The Prophet Muhhamed (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) did not spread Islam with the sword'.

Please refer back to my post (no.112) to clarify this should you need to, I never said a sword was not used.
The battles you correctly mentioned did take place but they did not take place to spread Islam. They took place for JUSTICE as injustice had taken place. To say the Prophet (SAWS) used the sword to spread Islam is slander. The Prophet (SAWS) never forced anyone to accept Islam, this is a totally unsound and hurtful thing to say about such a good person.

This is the truth kai, why do you think the Pope's speech (even said in quote) was so offensive to the Muslims. We wouldn't make such a deal about it if he was telling the truth - would we?

Its an amazing ability muslims have that enables them to conquer half the known world but never spread their religion by the sword

 

[kai]

You were talking about islam kai, and i don't care to whom it was directed at. OK

When people mention the sword they try to enforce the kind of thinking that islam spread only by the sword and violence. That's why she said there was no use of the sword in spreading islam but because it's a true faith of God and the sword was just a tool to defend themselves from the unbelievers who prescuted them, forcing them to flee from Mecca leaving back their money, homes and everything just because they said, God is one, alone, and we associate no partner with him.

OK but i didnt mention mohammed (pbuh) i listed battles where as you rightly said everyone used swords.

 

[Laila]

I think to many catholics this is a honest interpretation of how they view Islam and I thin k the exact inverse is true of how many Muslims view Catholics. Maybe, hopefully, by throwing out a very tacky non-pc comment like this a resolution will be forced by the anger generated by the comment. I wonder if any catholic churches since this, have made any effort to learn about Islam or if any Muslims have made any effort to learn about catholics?

I think the only solution that may produce good is the learning of each other's cultures . Not neccessary accepting everything or anything about them but at least taking the time to make judgments and evaluations from something other than ignorance.

I agree with you, learning the truth about each others faiths will certainly decrease ignorance. You'll probably find that most Muslims would never say anything unsound or hurtful about Jesus (peace be upon him). However, I do appreciate the comments you've made.

Have a nice day.

 

[Laila]

Please act your age Kai.

 

[Laila]

Its an amazing ability muslims have that enables them to conquer half the known world but never spread their religion by the sword

This is the second time you've put words into my mouth. Did I say muslims never spread Islam by the sword? I think you'll find not!

I think you'll find I said Prophet Muhammed (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) never spread Islam by the sword.
You can't hold the Prophet accountable for people misusing religion after his death can you?

 

[kreeden]

A few thoughts from a stupid ogre .

It seems to me that the problem isn't what happened several hundred years ago , but what is happening today . The past is past . Let it be .

Now people get all excited over their religions . They cry out " How can you say such a thing about my religion . It is a religion of Peace ! " Well , if so , then we have some pretty poor religious leaders . I don't care what religion it is . The Truth lays in the actions , not the written words . If we really have Religions of Peace , then why do we have religious leaders who work their followers up into a rioting rage ?

I don't mean this to be an attack on any one religion , although one does kinda stand out today . But this is true with all political religions . The religion becomes a political tool to be used by those looking for power . And we allow it .... WE ALLOW IT ! Hell , half the time we support it .

Just the thoughts of a stupid ogre , but something doesn't seem right ....

 

[kai]

This is the second time you've put words into my mouth. Did I say muslims never spread Islam by the sword? I think you'll find not!

I think you'll find I said Prophet Muhammed (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) never spread Islam by the sword.
You can't hold the Prophet accountable for people misusing religion after his death can you?

OK my mistake ,i am refering to the caliphate and i still didnt mention mohammed (pbuh) this may be the second time you have put words into my mouth

 

[kai]

Please act your age Kai.

in reference to what? how do you respond to this and bare in mind i am being inquisistve not antaganistic
In March of 624, Muhammad led some three hundred warriors in a raid on a Meccan merchant caravan. The Meccans successfully defended the caravan and then decided to teach the Medinans a lesson. They sent a small army against Medina. On March 15, 624 near a place called Badr, the Meccans and the Muslims clashed. Though outnumbered more than three times (one thousand to three hundred) in the battle, the Muslims met with success, killing at least forty-five Meccans and taking seventy prisoners for ransom; only fourteen Muslims died. This marked the real beginning of Muslim military achievement.

the underlining is mine
source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#War