Do you think that God should communicate directly to everyone in the world?

[Vinayaka]

The One God who revealed all the major religions... there is only One Real God.
Any other god(s) that people believe in are imaginary gods because they do not exist in reality.

Darn. And all this time I thought He was real. Now I find out He was just imaginary. Such a disappointment!

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes. Why put the message through someone else's mind? That reminds me of the game 'telephone' where kids whisper a message through a few people, and you see how distorted it comes out at the other end.

Of course this would put quite a few people out of 'business'.

As 74x12 just said:
"I would like it if God just spoke to everyone. But God's plans are greater than ours."

I could not have said it better myself.

Logically speaking, an Omniscient God knows the best way to communicate and an Omnipotent God could communicate to everyone if it wanted to, so since God does not communicate to everyone, we can logically conclude one of three things: (1) God chose another way to communicate, (2) God does not communicate, or (3) God does not exist.

God could put it through our minds because God is Omnipotent, but according to my beliefs our minds are incapable of comprehending God directly, which is one reason God does not communicate to everyone directly... There are other reasons but I am keeping those under my hat for now.

 

[Trailblazer]

Darn. And all this time I thought He was real. Now I find out He was just imaginary. Such a disappointment!

That's the breaks.

 

[Deidre]

My personal view, maybe he already does. In ways that each individual can understand, or be moved by.

 

[Vinayaka]

but according to my beliefs our minds are incapable of comprehending God directly, which is one reason God does not communicate to everyone directly... There are other reasons but I am keeping those under my hat for now.

Yes of course, we're all entitled to our beliefs. My belief differs. In Hinduism it's all about direct communication, and we're quite comfortable with that. But in the Abrahamic paradigm, there is a need for someone else to do the interpreting. So we have scripture based, versus not scripture based.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Darn. And all this time I thought He was real. Now I find out He was just imaginary. Such a disappointment!

Yep. Just another day of some monotheist who's probably never bothered to search for our gods telling us they don't exist.

Again.

 

[Vinayaka]

Yep. Just another day of some monotheist who's probably never bothered to search for our gods telling us they don't exist.

Again.

I'm used to it, as are you, I presume. The term 'imaginary' seems to be the 'go to' insult. Glad you caught my sarcasm.

 

[Trailblazer]

My personal view, maybe he already does. In ways that each individual can understand, or be moved by.

Maybe God does communicate in some way. Some people can understand and be moved, whereas some people cannot even believe that God exists.

 

[Sir Doom]

Do you think that God should communicate directly to everyone in the world?

If you think God should do that, please explain why you think so.
If you think God should not do that, please explain why not.

Please explain the reasons for your answer.

Thanks, Trailblazer

I'm certain this is restricted to the omnipotent version of God? The Biblical fella?

I would have to say I have no idea.

On one hand, I can imagine that if God were sitting on the horizon handing out instructions we'd likely be a tad further along in just about every subjective notion of progress imaginable. From a human perspective this sounds like an incredibly attractive scenario. Considering this God is supposed to love us and want the best, what's so tough about giving us sustainable energy or something so we don't have to kill each other to keep the stove on (I know we don't really have to do that, but we are anyway).

On the other hand, some of my best memories are of figuring something out. Using my ability to solve problems, recognize patterns, apply logic, etc. Some of my most thrilling moments have been in discovery and invention and artifice. I'm quite certain most human beings can relate to that on some level, even if you don't consider them your 'most thrilling' moments. If the supreme being is engineering our future for us directly, a lot of that will be pointless. The human mind would be half-worthless (at least) without mysteries to solve. So, maybe its not such a good thing to be tapped in to the almighty like that.

Without omniscient perspective to understand the full scope of such a monumental choice who can say what should or shouldn't be done? Of course, if one considers the possibility that God may not be omnipotent it opens quite a few other possibilities in both directions, but I suppose that's another thread entirely.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes of course, we're all entitled to our beliefs. My belief differs. In Hinduism it's all about direct communication, and we're quite comfortable with that. But in the Abrahamic paradigm, there is a need for someone else to do the interpreting. So we have scripture based, versus not scripture based.

Yes, it is very different.

 

[Willamena]

Do you think that God should communicate directly to everyone in the world?

If you think God should do that, please explain why you think so.
If you think God should not do that, please explain why not.

Please explain the reasons for your answer.

Thanks, Trailblazer

I think that God does not fail to communicate with everyone in the world. They are hampered, though, by their expectations of hearing voices in their head.

God is not a something distinct from the something that is us. God is the ocean that we, immersed in it, are a wave, thinking that we are not the ocean.

But I'm an atheist.

 

[74x12]

As 74x12 just said:
"I would like it if God just spoke to everyone. But God's plans are greater than ours."

I could not have said it better myself.

Logically speaking, an Omniscient God knows the best way to communicate and an Omnipotent God could communicate to everyone if it wanted to, so since God does not communicate to everyone, we can logically conclude one of three things: (1) God chose another way to communicate, (2) God does not communicate, or (3) God does not exist.

God could put it through our minds because God is Omnipotent, but according to my beliefs our minds are incapable of comprehending God directly, which is one reason God does not communicate to everyone directly... There are other reasons but I am keeping those under my hat for now.

It's also spiritual warfare as there are many things that hinder people from hearing from God that they do not even perceive. That's why as for those who know these things they pray for other people and "take dominion" in Jesus name. So that the person can receive the truth. (Matthew 12:29)

 

[Trailblazer]

I'm certain this is restricted to the omnipotent version of God? The Biblical fella?

Yes, it is the Biblical fella, the omnipotent God.

I would have to say I have no idea.

That is the best answer I have had so far. How can anyone ever know what God should do?

On one hand, I can imagine that if God were sitting on the horizon handing out instructions we'd likely be a tad further along in just about every subjective notion of progress imaginable. From a human perspective this sounds like an incredibly attractive scenario. Considering this God is supposed to love us and want the best, what's so tough about giving us sustainable energy or something so we don't have to kill each other to keep the stove on (I know we don't really have to do that, but we are anyway).

The most important thing you said in there was “from a human perspective.” Or as I translate that, why doesn’t God do everything God could do or everything I want Him to do? Why do I have to do anything?

On the other hand, some of my best memories are of figuring something out. Using my ability to solve problems, recognize patterns, apply logic, etc. Some of my most thrilling moments have been in discovery and invention and artifice. I'm quite certain most human beings can relate to that on some level, even if you don't consider them your 'most thrilling' moments. If the supreme being is engineering our future for us directly, a lot of that will be pointless. The human mind would be half-worthless (at least) without mysteries to solve. So, maybe its not such a good thing to be tapped in to the almighty like that.

I fully agree, why have a brain and free will if we do not use it for anything? My most thrilling moments are in trying to figure something out or trying to accomplish something. So why then are so many people so sheepish about trying to figure out what God might be up, what God is trying to accomplish and how? I find that most fascinating.

Without omniscient perspective to understand the full scope of such a monumental choice who can say what should or shouldn't be done? Of course, if one considers the possibility that God may not be omnipotent it opens quite a few other possibilities in both directions, but I suppose that's another thread entirely.

You are correct and that is the whole ball of wax. No human being is omniscient so we cannot know as much as God about how to communicate to humans.

 

[Trailblazer]

It's also spiritual warfare as there are many things that hinder people from hearing from God that they do not even perceive. That's why as for those who know these things they pray for other people and "take dominion" in Jesus name. So that the person can receive the truth. (Matthew 12:29)

We can only show people the door but they have to choose to walk through it.
After we show them the door, all we can do pray for them.
After all, it is God who guides people to the Truth, not us.

 

[Deidre]

Maybe God does communicate in some way. Some people can understand and be moved, whereas some people cannot even believe that God exists.

And that's okay, because I believe he exists, and that he lets us have free will to believe or not. That is true love right there, imo. To love without force, or conditions.

 

[George-ananda]

Do you think that God should communicate directly to everyone in the world?

I'll go with 'No' saying we are not smarter than God and if that was actually better, then that is how it would be.

I think there is value in quieting the mind and listening for inner vision. I think our Higher Self or God does respond to earnest efforts. There is probably greater richness and value in successful struggling and learning and succeeding. (I believe in reincarnation and the eventual Realization of all). (And I believe the pantheist version of God is the core of all.)

What's the alternative. A commanding presence with less need to question and think for ourselves?

 

[Vinayaka]

We can only show people the door but they have to choose to walk through it.
After we show them the door, all we can do pray for them.
After all, it is God who guides people to the Truth, not us.

What gives you the right, or the privilege or the knowledge to 'show people the door'? Maybe it's the wrong door for me.

I'd say ... go find your own door. Mine might not work for you.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Do you think that God should communicate directly to everyone in the world?

If you think God should do that, please explain why you think so.
If you think God should not do that, please explain why not.

Please explain the reasons for your answer.

Thanks, Trailblazer

God has infinite potential, in us. It would be impossible for God to make something greater than himself if he governed every bit of his creation. He created us to have experience so we at least can grow and develop, which is much more worthwhile and not as boring as just starting out all-powerful like He supposedly is.

 

[Trailblazer]

What gives you the right, or the privilege or the knowledge to 'show people the door'? Maybe it's the wrong door for me.

Some people are looking for doors and some people are not.
On a religious forum, some people are looking for a door....
If they ask me about doors I will show them my door....
If they decide that it is the wrong door for them they can close the door.

I'd say ... go find your own door. Mine might not work for you.

If people come to my door looking for a door, I answer the door.
Sometimes I am not always sure what they are looking for and it takes some time to figure it out.
My door might not work for them in which case they go away and I never see them again...

But there are some people who never go away, they keep coming back to my door.
I never ignore people who come to my door unless they are very rude or insulting.
I figure that they must keep coming back to my door for a reason, although I do not know the reason unless they tell me the reason. They might know the reason but not necessarily... Only God knows the reason.

 

[Vinayaka]

Some people are looking for doors and some people are not.
On a religious forum, some people are looking for a door....
If they ask me about doors I will show them my door....
If they decide that it is the wrong door for them they can close the door.

If people come to my door looking for a door, I answer the door.
Sometimes I am not always sure what they are looking for and it takes some time to figure it out.
My door might not work for them in which case they go away and I never see them again...

But there are some people who never go away, they keep coming back to my door.
I never ignore people who come to my door unless they are very rude or insulting.
I figure that they must keep coming back to my door for a reason, although I do not know the reason unless they tell me the reason. They might know the reason but not necessarily... Only God knows the reason.

You avoided the question, not surprisingly. BTW.