Do you think there will be war? (US vs Iran)

[We Never Know]

Some heads would roll in the senate and house. That's why instead of forcing fuel prices up you have to act indirectly. The oil companies are going to run a campaign of their own if you try to jack up oil prices. What you have to do is make them lose interest in you and cause the tax to appear happen on its own, like an imminent and unstoppable cost they can't avoid. That sounds tricky, but its the only way. One doesn't just step in front of a train and say 'Stop you hear?' No, you have to call the train company and report a problem with the track. Then they'll stop the train. To effect change you have to move unseen and also once change is inevitable talk about the benefits of it. "Well its a good thing really that we all have to pay more for petroleum because...and of course there's nothing I can do about that."

Adding a high tax to gas because of the greenhouse gas, they would raise prices and consumers would end up paying that tax through the higher prices.

No different if there was a increase tax on milk from dairy farmers because the cows methane is a greenhouse gas. Price up milk will go up.

If that was by chance to happen with gas or milk, two choices.
1. Pay the higher price
2. Do without

Thinking a corporation that will have to pay more to get their product out to the public but won't raise the price of the said product is crazy.

 

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Adding a high tax to gas because of the greenhouse gas, they would raise prices and consumers would end up paying that tax through the higher prices.

But it would change behavior to mitigate the increased fuel cost.
We're gonna pay....the question is the best way.

 

[We Never Know]

But it would change behavior to mitigate the increased fuel cost.
We're gonna pay....the question is the best way.

Not to mention the huge corporations that have billions compared to the ones that have to work to survive and depend on gas for their survival.

IMO the huge corporations could set on their gas/hold out for a while if they actually wanted to. Drive the price sky high and make huge profits.

 

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Not to mention the huge corporations that have billions compared to the ones that have to work to survive and depend on gas for their survival.

I'm a cold hearted b*****d.
I don't believe that people are so desperate that rising gas price
would threaten their survival. They'll cope.
(Europe sees prices double & triple ours, yet they manage to live.)
If we're to curb burning fossil fuels to address AGW & environmental
quality, then I prefer the free market approach, ie, tax the fuel, & let
consumers & businesses make their choices.

IMO the huge corporations could set on their gas/hold out for a while if they actually wanted to. Drive the price sky high and make huge profits.

I don't worry about things they don't actually do.
But if they did try such market rigging, I suspect
they'd find themselves in a world of legal troubles.
(I favor free markets, not monopolistic behavior.)

 

[We Never Know]

But it would change behavior to mitigate the increased fuel cost.
We're gonna pay....the question is the best way.

Lets say I owned a shuttle service from Enid to OKC and 100 people relied on my shuttle service to get them to work.

Now OK says we are going to increase taxes on your service. I then in turn increase my rate of the shuttle service to the clients/users.

Or

Gas prices are raised by $1.25 per gallon. Again I increase my rate of the shuttle service to the clients/users.

Yes the shuttle service is now higher and people will complain.

Solution. Don't be dependant on the shuttle service by..

1. Find another ride
2. Change jobs

Or

1. Pay the now higher price for the shuttle and your life changes little.

 

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Lets say I owned a shuttle service from Enid to OKC and 100 people relied on my shuttle service to get them to work.

Now OK says we are going to increase taxes on your service. I then in turn increase my rate of the shuttle service to the clients/users.

Or

Gas prices are raised by $1.25 per gallon. Again I increase my rate of the shuttle service to the clients/users.

Yes the shuttle service is now higher and people will complain.

Solution. Don't be dependant on the shuttle service by..

1. Find another ride
2. Change jobs

Or

1. Pay the now higher price for the shuttle and your life changes little.

Those are all good choices....similar to ones I've made.

If we're to change Ameristanian behavior to get the environmental
results we want, we may use market based incentives, or government
regulation of our behavior (eg, rationing fuel, imposing a minimum
vehicle occupancy, travel restrictions).
I prefer market solutions, but I also favor tighter emissions controls.
Think of it as a mix, with emphasis on maximal personal choice.

 

[We Never Know]

I'm a cold hearted b*****d.
I don't believe that people are so desperate that rising gas price
would threaten their survival. They'll cope.
(Europe sees prices double & triple ours, yet they manage to live.)
If we're to curb burning fossil fuels to address AGW & environmental
quality, then I prefer the free market approach, ie, tax the fuel, & let
consumers & businesses make their choices.

I don't worry about things they don't actually do.
But if they did try such market rigging, I suspect
they'd find themselves in a world of legal troubles.
(I favor free markets, not monopolistic behavior.)

"I'm a cold hearted b*****d.
I don't believe that people are so desperate that rising gas price
would threaten their survival. They'll cope."

Yes IMO people will complain, moan, cut corners, do without some things, etc but will pay the higher prices before they will do without many things.

 

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"I'm a cold hearted b*****d.
I don't believe that people are so desperate that rising gas price
would threaten their survival. They'll cope."

Yes IMO people will complain, moan, cut corners, do without some things, etc but will pay the higher prices before they will do without many things.

Human behavior is never all this or all that.
Higher prices will create a tendency for greater conservation.
Moreover, the perception of continual increase has a greater
effect, because as you say, they get used to things.

 

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"I'm a cold hearted b*****d.
I don't believe that people are so desperate that rising gas price
would threaten their survival. They'll cope."

Yes IMO people will complain, moan, cut corners, do without some things, etc but will pay the higher prices before they will do without many things.

There are some risks we face....
Moving away from fossil fuels might increase demand for nuclear power.
I'm not convinced that we'd handle that any better than before.
We might fall for over-confidence in technological advances, & ignore
risks associated with complex systems managed by mere humans.
We can't even get agreement on how to handle the waste.

 

[We Never Know]

Human behavior is never all this or all that.
Higher prices will create a tendency for greater conservation.
Moreover, the perception of continual increase has a greater
effect, because as you say, they get used to things.

It's all about the money.
Hypothetically speaking...
Joe owns a gas station. He buys gas for $2.20 per gallon and sells it for $2.30 per gallon. He just filled up his supply tanks with 50,000 gallons on Sunday as he does every Sunday. On Monday morning the price of gas increases by $.10.
Joe's raises his gas prices by $.10 Monday afternoon. Joe is now making an extra $.10 per gallon on the gas he already purchased.
On Friday morning the price of gas goes back down by $.10 per gallon. Joe lowers his price back down $.10 per gallon.
However Joe sold 40,000 gallons between Monday and Friday making him an extra .10 per gallon.

Joe just made a healthy extra profit.

 

[We Never Know]

There are some risks we face....
Moving away from fossil fuels might increase demand for nuclear power.
I'm not convinced that we'd handle that any better than before.
We might fall for over-confidence in technological advances, & ignore
risks associated with complex systems managed by mere humans.
We can't even get agreement on how to handle the waste.

Let's just say that we moved to 85% dependant on electric and/or solar. IMO we would see the price of electric increase and the price to go solar increase.
Demand always drives price.

 

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It's all about the money.
Hypothetically speaking...
Joe owns a gas station. He buys gas for $2.20 per gallon and sells it for $2.30 per gallon. He just filled up his supply tanks with 50,000 gallans on Sunday as he does every Sunday. On Monday morning the price of gas increases by $.10.
Joe's raises his gas prices by $.10 Monday afternoon. Joe is now making an extra $.10 per gallon on the gas he already purchased.
On Friday morning the price of gas goes back down by $.10 per gallon. Joe lowers his price back down $.10 per gallon.
However Joe sold 40,000 gallons between Monday and Friday making him an extra .10 per gallon.

Joe just made a healthy extra profit.

That's why I buy gas from Bob, down the street.
He does a greater volume of business, & profits even more by undercutting Joe.
(That's why Joe taped a "Kick me" sign on Bob's back yesterday.)

 

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Let's just say that we moved to 85% dependant on electric and/or solar. IMO we would see the price of electric increase and the price to go solar increase.
Demand always drives price.

As it should.
And the price increase encourages more businesses to increase supply.

Relevant story....
I once had a maintenance guy, Ranger. (Ranger wasn't his real name, but
it's what we called him because he dressed in all tan...like a park ranger.)
He once defended rent control by saying that if we didn't have it in Ann
Arbor, landlords could charge anything we liked, & rents would skyrocket.
I informed that we didn't have rent control. He was surprised.
I could only charge what tenants were willing to pay. So what he saw as
reasonable current rents were what the free market dictated.

 

[We Never Know]

As it should.
And the price increase encourages more businesses to increase supply.

Relevant story....
I once had a maintenance guy, Ranger. (Ranger wasn't his real name, but
it's what we called him because he dressed in all tan...like a park ranger.)
He once defended rent control by saying that if we didn't have it in Ann
Arbor, landlords could charge anything we liked, & rents would skyrocket.
I informed that we didn't have rent control. He was surprised.
I could only charge what tenants were willing to pay. So what he saw as
reasonable current rents were what the free market dictated.

I've seen in several small towns where rent would jump up because of government aid such as HUD. What was once renting for $350.00 jumped to $500 or higher because HUD set the bar at we will allow for $500. Again this is in smaller towns.

 

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As it should.
And the price increase encourages more businesses to increase supply.

Relevant story....
I once had a maintenance guy, Ranger. (Ranger wasn't his real name, but
it's what we called him because he dressed in all tan...like a park ranger.)
He once defended rent control by saying that if we didn't have it in Ann
Arbor, landlords could charge anything we liked, & rents would skyrocket.
I informed that we didn't have rent control. He was surprised.
I could only charge what tenants were willing to pay. So what he saw as
reasonable current rents were what the free market dictated.

Anyways I think we wabbled from the thread topic. I sure don't want thumped for that. Have a great one.

 

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I've seen in several small towns where rent would jump up because of government aid such as HUD. What was once renting for $350.00 jumped to $500 or higher because HUD set the bar at we will allow for $500. Again this is in smaller towns.

If HUD increases demand, it's natural that rent would increase.

Btw, I never did HUD housing. It's so highly regulated that I've
seen special management software for it. One must track
individual guests & residents, & enforce HUD restrictions.
I'm not into surveilling my tenants.