That's a shame in my view.BTW, a major figure in cognitive science and philosophy, Daniel Dennett died today.
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That's a shame in my view.BTW, a major figure in cognitive science and philosophy, Daniel Dennett died today.
No .. it's just that you seem to deflect discussion of the concept of mind, which is not physical, andMinds are physical in that sense--as an emergent property of neural activity. Nothing I have said above is contradictory. It is just that you don't see minds as emergent physical systems..
I acknowledge the existence of the two, but don't consider them as necessarily separate .. theUnless I mistake you, you believe in a reality that consists of two types of existence--the spiritual and the physical..
OK..Brains are a type of analog computing device, so they don't actually run programs in the same sense that digital computers do..
No .. it's just that you seem to deflect discussion of the concept of mind, which is not physical, and
don't want to acknowledge psychological problems as anything other than physical abnormality.
I acknowledge the existence of the two, but don't consider them as necessarily separate .. the
two work together in tandem.
There can be separate investigations, when it comes to studying mental health.
...Brains are a type of analog computing device, so they don't actually run programs in the same sense that digital computers do..
OK..
It's not a claim .. I'm not saying the mind is "a separate entity" or otherwise.I disagree with your claim that the mind is not physical..
You are merely trying to steer the conversation towards your pet topic.Since you believe in that spiritual force, you are convinced that it must work in tandem with neural activity, but I find that an unnecessary assumption.
It's not a claim .. I'm not saying the mind is "a separate entity" or otherwise.
It's just that you refuse to acknowledge non-physical concept due to your idealism, and always deflect to
talking about the physical.
You are merely trying to steer the conversation towards your pet topic.
I don't consider your post as answering any of my questions about mental health.
Are you claiming that mental health is purely about our physical health?
Then what is the point of calling it "mental health" then?That would be my default assumption, given that I see the mind and willpower as a type of emergent physical force.
I have already explained that both mental health and physical health are different concepts,Do you simply reject out of hand that mental health is part of physical health?
Then what is the point of calling it "mental health" then?
Does a "mental health" practioner study brain surgery?
...Do you simply reject out of hand that mental health is part of physical health?
I have already explained that both mental health and physical health are different concepts,
and that you can't have the health of one without the other.
..and that has nothing to do with emergent properties at all, as far as I can see.
..unless of course you are redefining the concepts for your own way of thinking.
..and that is not the widely accepted definition in society globally .. it's nothing to do
with philosophy, and all to do with psychology and medicine.
What???If mental activity is a type of emergent physical activity, then that would be the point of calling it "mental health"..
I haven't avoided any such thing .. you seem to have a problem understanding my posts.I'm guessing that you are replying positively to my question, although you avoided an explicit reply. That's too bad.
From a philosophical standpoint, I would agree.And I am not the only one to think of mental activity as a type of physical activity.
I have no need to refuse to acknowledge non-physical concepts.You just appear to reject it out of hand and carry on as if I had made no attempt to justify my opinions.
What???
We can call it 'mental health' whether it is "a type of emergent physical activity" or otherwise!
...I'm guessing that you are replying positively to my question, although you avoided an explicit reply. That's too bad...
I haven't avoided any such thing .. you seem to have a problem understanding my posts.
You said "Do you simply reject out of hand that mental health is part of physical health?"
It is NOT a part of physical health, although physical health is necessary to have good mental health,
AND VICE-VERSA.
Perhaps you have little knowledge of psychology .. you should take a brief look, if so..
From a philosophical standpoint, I would agree.
In practice, mental health is not confined to discussion of electro-chemical transmission.
Talking therapies are not JUST about distraction, they include the power of positive thinking,
and many other techniques.
Imagining its all about repairing "the physical", is purely dependent on the philosophical views
of the practioner .. and even then, I'm sure they don't have that in mind constantly.
A medic or surgeon would OF COURSE.
I have no need to refuse to acknowledge non-physical concepts.
Basically, because intellectually, I see they exist.
Now, whether they are only concepts/models, or whether they are more than that, I couldn't tell you.
..and neither can you
I know one thing for sure, mankind's knowledge is but a drop in the ocean, compared to 'the whole'
I repeat .. NOT!It's a yes/no question
It is my opinion.You have a different take on the matter, because you seem to believe that mental illness can have some non-physical causes and treatments. Fair enough. That's your opinion.
Pointless me discussing further .. because you will not acknowledge the reality of non-physical concept from the off.As I've said, I'm willing to entertain the possibility that you are right, if you can provide some evidence to back your position up..
Right, so these therapies can result in better "brain function", and better physical health will also affect "brain function" too.My position is that all therapies involve causal events that change brain structure and function..
Mmm .. sometimes it involves SHOUTING AT THE PATIENT !!!Therapy is a type of physical event..
Right .. if we don't "do" anything, then nothing changes..Physical events have to happen in order for therapy to have a causal effect on brain function..
No, you don't..You don't have to actually believe that non-physical forces exist in order to acknowledge the concept of non-physical forces.
OK..I acknowledge the concept, not their existence..
I only have to justify my belief to myself .. nobody else.You acknowledge their existence, which I consider a gratuitous acknowledgment on your part. You cannot come up with a way of justifying your belief, so you merely declare it to be true.
Absolutely .. physical health is essential for our mental health, and is a major goal in psychiatric hospitals,I cannot come up with a way of justifying your belief either, but we do at least agree that physical activity plays a role in mental activity, including mental illness.
I repeat .. NOT!
It is my opinion.
Pointless me discussing further .. because you will not acknowledge the reality of non-physical concept from the off.
Right, so these therapies can result in better "brain function", and better physical health will also affect "brain function" too.
Similarly, poor "brain function" can cause physical ill health, as one affects the other.
Mmm .. sometimes it involves SHOUTING AT THE PATIENT !!!
Right .. if we don't "do" anything, then nothing changes..
No, you don't..
OK..
only have to justify my belief to myself .. nobody else.
It's interesting to note, that psychologists recognize the part that religion plays in a healthy mind.
Naturally, extremism of any polarity is NOT healthy.
..and that is your opinion...don't expect people to be interested in those opinions that you cannot defend in public. I would prefer to keep the discussion relevant to free will and determinism. My position is that minds are physical phenomena that are subject to natural influences..
I CAN "justify my belief" .. but it is tedious to make numerous quotes from Wikipedia on psychologicalIf you believe that there are supernatural or spiritual issues, but cannot justify your belief to others or explain their relevance to the topic, then I don't see why you feel a need to mention those issues.
I CAN "justify my belief" .. but it is tedious to make numerous quotes from Wikipedia on psychological
phenomena.
Suffice to say, whatever I may quote, you will still harp on about everything being physical..
..which is missing the point entirely.
That is a negative way of looking at learning something new.Quote mining is a time-honored tradition in social media discussion groups..
That is a negative way of looking at learning something new.
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A professional practitioner or researcher involved in the discipline is called a psychologist. Some psychologists can also be classified as behavioral or cognitive scientists. Some psychologists attempt to understand the role of mental functions in individual and social behavior. Others explore the physiological and neurobiological processes that underlie cognitive functions and behaviors.
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..but you just keep going on about the various roles as being essentially the same i.e. about 'the physical'
..which they are not.
No .. maybe it's only for dumb people like me.But I don't need your Wikipedia article to inform me of such things..
No .. maybe it's only for dumb people like me.