Do you trust God?

[Suave]

So you think the culpability for the message being devoid of any rational argument or objective evidence, is down to one species of evolved ape, and not the omniscient omnipotent deity you imagine is real?

I'm sure if you take a moment to examine that rationale, you'll see how absurdly asinine the claim is. If I explain how to make a soufflé to a slug, and it fails to understand me, you seem to think the fault is entirely the slugs, bizarre reasoning.

Sorry, Sheldon, I could manage only writing a few posts before going astray of Occam's Razor.

 

[Suave]

So you think the culpability for the message being devoid of any rational argument or objective evidence, is down to one species of evolved ape, and not the omniscient omnipotent deity you imagine is real?

I'm sure if you take a moment to examine that rationale, you'll see how absurdly asinine the claim is. If I explain how to make a soufflé to a slug, and it fails to understand me, you seem to think the fault is entirely the slugs, bizarre reasoning.

Darn it Sheldon, you beat me to the punch. I was going to mention the contradiction of an omnipotent deity not being able to write.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

{snip} Do you trust God? Loving God is different than trusting God. I cannot honestly say I love God but I trust God. I not only know for certain that God exists, I know that God has my best interests in mind and is guiding me through life.

No, I don't trust God nor do I love God, and when I say God, I mean the Christian God depicted in the bible. I honestly don't know of any other gods, therefore, I've never sought to know or worship another god. If the God of the bible exists, which I have my doubts now, then I don't believe that this God is worthy of love, admiration, and worship. I've already shared my reasons for my contempt towards the Christian God in other threads, so I don't think I should repeat myself in this thread, unless I'm asked to elaborate by someone who hasn't read my other posts. I also don't want to derail the thread, which I've been guilty of doing in other threads.

 

[Suave]

No, I don't trust God nor do I love God, and when I say God, I mean the Christian God depicted in the bible. I honestly don't know of any other gods, therefore, I've never sought to know or worship another god. If the God of the bible exists, which I have my doubts now, then I don't believe that this God is worthy of love, admiration, and worship. I've already shared my reasons for my contempt towards the Christian God in other threads, so I don't think I should repeat myself in this thread, unless I'm asked to elaborate by someone who hasn't read my other posts. I also don't want to derail the thread, which I've been guilty of doing in other threads.

Merry Christmas to you as well, and Happy New Year.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Yes, I suspect there are a number of Gods one shouldn't trust.

I LOVE LOKI!!! [insert high-pitched girly squeak here]

And I love the first season of Loki on Disney plus. I can't wait for season two.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Merry Christmas to you as well, and Happy New Year.

Thank you, Suave. Peace.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

No, God relies upon Messengers who are both divine and human. God cannot write because God is not a human. I do not believe in old Bible stories.

This doesn't follow logically in the slightest: "God cannot write because God is not a human," and yet you believe that God therefore needs to communicate (somehow) with humans. This is special pleading all over the place.

What you are trying to do is find "a reason why God doesn't do what should be obvious," and in order to do that, you deny God the very things you yourself ascribed to Him earlier in this thread -- omnipotence (the ability to "do anything").

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

This doesn't follow logically in the slightest: "God cannot write because God is not a human," and yet you believe that God therefore needs to communicate (somehow) with humans. This is special pleading all over the place.

What you are trying to do is find "a reason why God doesn't do what should be obvious," and in order to do that, you deny God the very things you yourself ascribed to Him earlier in this thread -- omnipotence (the ability to "do anything").

Yeah, God is supposed to be all-powerful, all-knowing, and ever-present. Surely, he can write if he's all-powerful.

 

[Suave]

This doesn't follow logically in the slightest: "God cannot write because God is not a human," and yet you believe that God therefore needs to communicate (somehow) with humans. This is special pleading all over the place.

What you are trying to do is find "a reason why God doesn't do what should be obvious," and in order to do that, you deny God the very things you yourself ascribed to Him earlier in this thread -- omnipotence (the ability to "do anything").

Messages can be recorded and stored within our genetic code; this message or these messages could not easily be destroyed and they would last us for as many generations as humanly possible. Please let us consider God as being our genetic code's creator who could indeed utilize nucleon counts within each amino acid, and with their sums as grouped according to their codon mapping, emerging a mathematical pattern conveying a message to us, the Wow! signal of the terrestrial genetic code.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Please let us consider God as being our genetic code's creator who could indeed utilize nucleon counts within each amino acid, and with their sums as grouped according to their codon mapping, emerging a mathematical pattern conveying a message to us.

God as our genetic code's Creator. has left us this mathematical pattern in our genetic code conveying us the symbol of an Egyptian triangle as well as the number 37 embedded in our genetic code.
https://apollosolaris.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/wow.pdf

Icarus
Volume 224, Issue 1, May 2013, Pages 228-242

The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code
Vladimir I. shCherbak, Maxim A. Makukov

Eight of the canonical amino acids can be sufficiently defined by the composition of their codon's first and second base nucleotides. The nucleon sum of these amino acids' side chains is 333 (=37 * 3 squared), the sun of their block nucleons (basic core structure) is 592 (=37 * 4 squared), and the sum of their total nucleons is 925 (=37 * 5 squared ). With 37 factored out, this results in 3 squared + 4 squared + 5 squared, which is representative of an Egyptian triangle. The significance of 37 being a factor in decoding the message of a mathematic depiction of an Egyptian triangle in our genetic code might be linked to the Hebrew gematria numeric value of 37 in Genesis 1:1.

The 3 main words (God, the heaven, the earth) in Hebrew have a gematria numeric value of 777 (111x7), ". which is divisible by 37.

The numeric value of the entire verse is 2701 which is divisible by 37.

We may now proceed to finding the number 37 interlaced in the first verse of the Bible. We can do this by discovering words or groups of words with number values evenly divisible by 37, e.g. the 3 main words (“God” + ”the heaven” + ”the earth” = 777 = 21x37), the 5 first words (“In the beginning” + “created” + “God” + “*” + “the heaven” = 1998 = 54x37), or the last two words separately (“and” = 407 = 11x37 and “the earth” = 296 = 8x37)

How wonderfully fanciful!

Now, if you could only write as well as JRR Tolkien, you might have a best-seller.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Messages can be recorded and stored within our genetic code; this message or these messages could not easily be destroyed and they would last us for as many generations as humanly possible. Please let us consider God as being our genetic code's creator who could indeed utilize nucleon counts within each amino acid, and with their sums as grouped according to their codon mapping, emerging a mathematical pattern conveying a message to us.

Okay, I looked at all that. I only missed a single thing, since you provided it as evidence that "messages can be "recorded and stored within our genetic code:"

And what is it that I missed?

What does that particular "message" say? I mean, since you claim that it is a message that "can be conveyed to us?"

 

[Trailblazer]

Please let us consider God as being

As far as I am concerned, everyone is free to consider God as being anything at all, or not consider God at all...
I just share my thoughts and feelings and beliefs.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

Do you trust God?

I do, yes.
And I trust life.


Humbly
Hermit

 

[Trailblazer]

So you think the culpability for the message being devoid of any rational argument or objective evidence, is down to one species of evolved ape, and not the omniscient omnipotent deity you imagine is real?

The message is not devoid of any rational argument, it is exceeding rational. As for objective evidence, no rational person would ever expect to have objective evidence for God IF they knew anything about God.

God is not culpable for anything, except perhaps for creating a material world in which humans have to live and suffer.

 

[greenboy21x]

Man, the more I look into the Bahai religion, the more it confuses me.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So, only one God, but incompetent to make himself reliably understood. How unfortunate.

I believe the easiest thing in life is to reliably understand God.

Every Prophet, every Holy Book, all the world’s sacred scriptures very clearly and reliably describe what God is all about by providing us with knowledge about His Attributes.

We know plenty about God. The only thing we do not know is His Essence. But His Attributes we have so many. These are lists from some of the religions.

https://bahaiwritings.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/attributes-and-names-of-god.pdf

Christianity The Attributes of God (eBook) | Monergism

Islam One moment, please...

 

[Trailblazer]

Darn it Sheldon, you beat me to the punch. I was going to mention the contradiction of an omnipotent deity not being able to write.

No you too... Omnipotence has nothing to do with the ability to write. God can only DO what is within His nature to do. God is not a human so God cannot write.

Edited to add: On second thought, God could make His thoughts appear on paper, but humans can also make God's thoughts appear on paper, so there is no need for God to do that.

 

[Trailblazer]

Man, the more I look into the Bahai religion, the more it confuses me.

What is confusing about it?

 

[Suave]

Okay, I looked at all that. I only missed a single thing, since you provided it as evidence that "messages can be "recorded and stored within our genetic code:"

And what is it that I missed?

What does that particular "message" say? I mean, since you claim that it is a message that "can be conveyed to us?"

"The genetic material DNA has garnered considerable interest as a medium for digital information storage because its density and durability are superior to those of existing silicon-based storage media. For example, DNA is at least 1000-fold more dense than the most compact solid-state hard drive and at least 300-fold more durable than the most stable magnetic tapes. In addition, DNA’s four-letter nucleotide code offers a suitable coding environment that can be leveraged like the binary digital code used by computers and other electronic devices to represent any letter, digit, or other character."

Despite these advantages, DNA has not yet become a widespread information storage medium because the cost of chemically.

DNA Data Storage

The Wow! signal of the terrestrial genetic code conveys to me the numeric message of 37 as well as this being the key factor in deciphering the mathematical depiction of an Egyptian triangle.

 

[Trailblazer]

Surely, he can write if he's all-powerful.

No, God could not write unless He became a human because only humans can write.