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Do you trust Hillary?

Do you agree that Hillay used to lie?


  • Total voters
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I don't trust way she lies. Hillary is secretive , misdirects, and tries to cover up or destroy things.

At least Trump is more open in his lies in comparison. He just dosent always divulge things but dosent go out of his way to destroy and hide things in the same way Hillary has done.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Do you think she's a honest, a sincere and a trustful person?

If you agree that she used to lie and she did nothing significant for America other than wars,
then do you think she deserves your voice? if you think she deserves it, then why, while knowing
that she used to lie and made wrong decisions.
I agree all people lie but next to Trump, Hillary seems like a saint.

To assume Trump doesn't lie because he is not a politician is not correct logic, politics is all over the business world too.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I'm gambling big this election.
Donald & Hillary both look bad.
I merely judge her to be worse.
But the outcome is rather unpredictable & dangerous for either.
That's for sure, even though I live here in Australia, it still affects us, especially if a war breaks out, the US is a very angry country.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That's for sure, even though I live here in Australia, it still affects us, especially if a war breaks out, the US is a very angry country.
And I suspect that anger at us will spill in your direction....your being an a very similar ally.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
I don't trust way she lies. Hillary is secretive , misdirects, and tries to cover up or destroy things.

At least Trump is more open in his lies in comparison. He just dosent always divulge things but dosent go out of his way to destroy and hide things in the same way Hillary has done.
So your saying a person who lies more openly can be trusted more. Fascinating. Clintons an open book, there is no way to know how much corruption an open liar like Trump does in secret. The Trump foundation scandal is just as much a possible issue as anything brought up about Hillary. So all this attacking Hillary is truly a double edged sword and Trump supporters would be better off just sticking to actual politics.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Perhaps you forget her power to unilaterally wage war (by "police action").
She can enmesh & ensnare us in some nasty & potentially explosive affairs.
So its the office of president that you object to? Me too! Presidential powers are stupid, and I know that. The military is the 'Secret 4th branch' of government, because it is so huge now that it is the only thing between the president and a dictatorship. That's why we have congress and a supreme court-- to whittle those things back down to a sane size. I think that libertarians should have picked the candidate I suggested in that other thread, who would probably have helped the party more; but I'm not a libertarian. They pick whom they wish. That being said Libertarians are too...Patrick Henry...for me. I cringe to say that, because P.H. has such awesome quotes. I think I'm late Jeffersonian. I think that too much centralized power is stupid, but I do believe that the gov. may make roads, force large successful savvy businesses to split up and tax people to pay for stupid projects.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I trust Hillary as much as I have trusted any other Potus in my lifetime, and a lot more than some of them.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
No I don't trust her. But I don't trust trump either. I think that whichever one wins, we lose...and I really hope I'm wrong. At this point I do believe Hillary will most likely be the winner.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
So its the office of president that you object to? Me too! Presidential powers are stupid, and I know that. The military is the 'Secret 4th branch' of government, because it is so huge now that it is the only thing between the president and a dictatorship.
This points out the importance of electing a president with good judgement.
That's why we have congress and a supreme court-- to whittle those things back down to a sane size. I think that libertarians should have picked the candidate I suggested in that other thread, who would probably have helped the party more; but I'm not a libertarian. They pick whom they wish. That being said Libertarians are too...Patrick Henry...for me. I cringe to say that, because P.H. has such awesome quotes. I think I'm late Jeffersonian. I think that too much centralized power is stupid, but I do believe that the gov. may make roads, force large successful savvy businesses to split up and tax people to pay for stupid projects.
Less stupidity in projects would be nice.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't trust way she lies. Hillary is secretive , misdirects, and tries to cover up or destroy things.

At least Trump is more open in his lies in comparison. He just dosent always divulge things but dosent go out of his way to destroy and hide things in the same way Hillary has done.
If we are comparing: He is in league with the church ministers, and she isn't. This strongly colors my opposition. He was friends with Ted Cruz, and he has the backing of the anti-science people. I don't know any group that has worked harder to undermine democracy than church ministers. They're always opposed somehow to anything that doesn't require their blessing.
 

Papoon

Active Member
And I suspect that anger at us will spill in your direction....your being an a very similar ally.

It has been made clear to us that the 'alliance' is more or less non negotiable.

Pine Gap is essential to US military intelligence.

Nuff said.
 

Kartari

Active Member
Hi FearGod,

Do you think she's a honest, a sincere and a trustful person?

No.

If you agree that she used to lie and she did nothing significant for America other than wars, then do you think she deserves your voice? if you think she deserves it, then why, while knowing that she used to lie and made wrong decisions.

You're raising two separate issues here. To your first point, I wouldn't say she "deserves" my vote. Rather, she is by far the superior, safer, and sane candidate for president. Trump is a much bigger liar by comparison, and demonstrably so.

Concerning your claim that "she did nothing significant for America other than wars," I find this a rather silly statement. She's done some good and some bad in her political career. As for war, while Clinton is on record favoring the Iraq and Afghanistan wars launched by President Bush, Trump is on record making the absolutely reckless statement that, should Iranians in boats make obscene gestures at Americans, they should be "shot out of the water." In other words, Trump will murder and start a war with Iran over... obscenities? How will he behave (or not) with other nations? He's established himself to be a thin-skinned lunatic ready to lash out at, murder, and begin wars with other nations merely because a handful of people made him feel bad.

I'd rather have a better option than Clinton. But I'll take the far lesser of two evils and will take Clinton's war record in a heartbeat over this raving lunatic's unstable and childish idiocy, thank you very much.

Frankly, if you're upset with Clinton for lying, how does it make any sense whatsoever to then point to the far bigger liar Trump as a better alternative? Apparently Trump supporters think that while small lies are bad, big lies are therefore good... :/
 

Kartari

Active Member
Hi Nowhere,

I don't trust way she lies. Hillary is secretive , misdirects, and tries to cover up or destroy things.

At least Trump is more open in his lies in comparison. He just dosent always divulge things but dosent go out of his way to destroy and hide things in the same way Hillary has done.

You're very wrong about Trump. He does make blatant lies that are obviously wrong at times. But he makes up many of his "facts," often selective partial truths at best cherry-picked to give his ideas the appearance of better merit, and the rest are entire BS. Trump is a con artist, and his "I tell it like it is" persona is a complete ruse, a marketing gimmick designed to make him superficially appear more honest. But in reality, he is demonstrably a blatant and compulsive liar, and presents those lies as truths quite non-openly in sharp contrast with your beliefs to the contrary.

For the love of all that is good in this world, please pay more attention! :)
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
she is not a statesman....

politics has gone sour
and the leadership we need is not at hand
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
So your saying a person who lies more openly can be trusted more. Fascinating. Clintons an open book, there is no way to know how much corruption an open liar like Trump does in secret. The Trump foundation scandal is just as much a possible issue as anything brought up about Hillary. So all this attacking Hillary is truly a double edged sword and Trump supporters would be better off just sticking to actual politics.
Trump not only lies but is weak, easily manipulated by Putin to the point of becoming his lap dog, weak, easily manipulable by the Chinese being their lap dog, weak, hates America, hates workers, cheats cheats cheats, lies lies lies lies, hates freedom, hates being told he's wrong, hates women, blacks, hispanics, those who disagree with him, insults others, embraces evil and has poop running out of his whatever.

Thank God he's going down in flames. Hopefully he drags the current party of temper tantrum no screaming republican babies down with him. We don't need republican poopy diaperd screaming no in Congress. The last 6 years of their pooping all over the floor is more than enough.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Does he like girls or does he like to "grab them in the p*ssy?"

Do you like guys that like guys as a president? Is this even relevant to point out?
Actually, you seem to know all the answers. So you tell me.

Oh and if you're asking if I'd vote a homosexual into the presidency? Not on your life.
 
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