Does a god exist?

[Vijay B Menon]

I don't see the ultimate experience as an experience in which we can also be active in this world. At most a few can get a temporary glimpse in deepest meditation.

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I don't see the ultimate experience as an experience in which we can also be active in this world. At most a few can get a temporary glimpse in deepest meditation.

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I don't see the ultimate experience as an experience in which we can also be active in this world. At most a few can get a temporary glimpse in deepest meditation.

You mean that state is my ultimate goal. If that cannot be achieved now then whats the point. It should neither be episodic nor something impossible. If it exists then we should be able to achieve it now not in next birth or end of this life. But at this very instant. thats action. Then why dont we do it? What are we Afraid of?

 

[Vijay B Menon]

We can, but the point is to choose to detach ourselves from defining our thoughts as if they define who we are as people rather than what we are brought up to be and live in (illusions and suffering).

Do we have the freedom not to give pattern to our thoughts? Do you mean, not to be caught up by our thoughts? Prisoner of our thoughts?

We have a choice in whatever we do; that is why there is Kamma, or cause in affect in everything we do and think.

For some reason, I think this is more of a Hindu point of view than Buddhist. If you're gearing towards an "essence" or something mystical behind the practice, The Buddha taught away from that. A lot of the suttas seem like riddles to me because it's repetitive.

It's hard for me to understand metaphysical talk.

Its just common inquiry not to be taken for metaphysical discussion.
So you mean our action decide our lives. Do good and you will be rewarded in your next life. So then we can go on doing bad because many lives are remaining to improve ourselves.
So we are putting action to far distance and go on doing bad. Can there be instant action so that we can cleanse all our past thought instantly. Not wait for many lives. If meditation can serve rhat purpose the its worthwhile otherwise its self deception.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So you mean our action decide our lives. Do good and you will be rewarded in your next life. So then we can go on doing bad because many lives are remaining to improve ourselves.

The Buddha taught do good so good actions so they will count towards your understanding of life, practice, and end of rebirth. There is no "next life" but one life. The Buddha taught good things end rebirth, bad things keep us alive in a cycle in suffering (birth/age/sickness/death).

So we are putting action to far distance and go on doing bad. Can there be instant action so that we can cleanse all our past thought instantly. Not wait for many lives. If meditation can serve that purpose the it's worthwhile otherwise its self deception.

The point of meditation and other teachings of The Buddha is to bring out your true nature so you can focus on the good and not be attached to "bad" things. You don't let bad (and good) things define you.

It also helps in this life (since life is continuous) and you keep going until you are enlightened, and you actually pass away (end rebirth).

It's all in what you do and how you think.

 

[George-ananda]

You mean that state is my ultimate goal. If that cannot be achieved now then whats the point. It should neither be episodic nor something impossible. If it exists then we should be able to achieve it now not in next birth or end of this life. But at this very instant. thats action. Then why dont we do it? What are we Afraid of?

Well it is possible to be in a state called Self-Realization/Brahman Realization but come down some to identify with your finite form and responsibilities.

This brings us to the advaita concept of Maya (the illusion of separateness). Brahman wills Maya on Himself to experience the progression of wisdom culminating in Moksha (the ending of the illusion of separateness).

 

[Vijay B Menon]

The Buddha taught do good so good actions so they will count towards your understanding of life, practice, and end of rebirth. There is no "next life" but one life. The Buddha taught good things end rebirth, bad things keep us alive in a cycle in suffering (birth/age/sickness/death).



The point of meditation and other teachings of The Buddha is to bring out your true nature so you can focus on the good and not be attached to "bad" things. You don't let bad (and good) things define you.

It also helps in this life (since life is continuous) and you keep going until you are enlightened, and you actually pass away (end rebirth).

It's all in what you do and how you think.

So again there is a choice between good and bad. When good and bad comes there comes also values in order to measure good and bad. But can the mind be without choice without division? Because as soon as choice comes there comes division. If there is liberation it should bw achieved now not to wait till the end because then comes the goal and we are in the same vicious circle again.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Does a god exist somewhere out there? Or is it the name given to the total silence within us?

It's a name given to our projection of ourselves onto the unknown. Some people can't deal with unknowns, so they fill it in with the only thing they know how to - themselves.

 

[Vijay B Menon]

Well it is possible to be in a state called Self-Realization/Brahman Realization but come down some to identify with your finite form and responsibilities.

This brings us to the advaita concept of Maya (the illusion of separateness). Brahman wills Maya on Himself to experience the progression of wisdom culminating in Moksha (the ending of the illusion of separateness).

So we are putting it to a distant time this self realisation by which you mean an entity which is divided now and cannot be in that undivided state before what you call moksha is attained. Then there comes the goal. If we let go this goal are we not already in that state. And the thoughts our past or the product of culture which slow down this intelligence which you may call the natural intelligence.

 

[Shantanu]

Iam not talking about the dead silence you experience in a sound proof room but that silence where time comes to a halt. It is not inactivity but instant action upon perception.

God does His work silently but emphatically so that those at the receiving end of His actions feel the full weight of His abilities.

 

[Vijay B Menon]

God does His work silently but emphatically so that those at the receiving end of His actions feel the full weight of His abilities.

By which you mean there is an external entity. So is that entity static or dynamic?

 

[George-ananda]

So we are putting it to a distant time this self realisation by which you mean an entity which is divided now and cannot be in that undivided state before what you call moksha is attained. Then there comes the goal. If we let go this goal are we not already in that state. And the thoughts our past or the product of culture which slow down this intelligence which you may call the natural intelligence.

How do you function in a world of separateness if you are not perceiving some separateness?

 

[Vijay B Menon]

It's a name given to our projection of ourselves onto the unknown. Some people can't deal with unknowns, so they fill it in with the only thing they know how to - themselves.

So by which you are referring to an image. Why do we need an image at all. Cant we live without images? If no why?

 

[Shantanu]

By which you mean there is an external entity. So is that entity static or dynamic?

The Entity is not only external it is also internal and it is highly dynamic in the way it corresponds with the human holder of the Entity.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

So by which you are referring to an image. Why do we need an image at all. Cant we live without images? If no why?

Some can, some can't. I suspect it comes down to perspective and personality. Anxiety, fear, and lack of flexibility often express as the need for absolutes.

 

[Vijay B Menon]

How do you function in a world of separateness if you are not perceiving some separateness?

Why not? If you let go off control or censor, which is creating friction, then you can act without letting the thought intercept. So then there is no division at all at any instant.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Does a god exist somewhere out there? Or is it the name given to the total silence within us?

The interpretation of God is there. The concept.

There really is nothing else aside from what we think of as being a God, with how reality is perceived personally. Bit like seeing the man on the moon. It can smile back sometimes :0)

 

[Vijay B Menon]

Some can, some can't. I suspect it comes down to perspective and personality. Anxiety, fear, and lack of flexibility often express as the need for absolutes.

It is 'I'as i know myself as conditioned by culture, by society which forms a thought pattern called my personality. So if you break this pattern. It is your physical death. And most of us cant stand it. Thats why we are living on images, which came from our past.

 

[Vijay B Menon]

The interpretation of God is there. The concept.

There really is nothing else aside from what we think of as being a God, with how reality is perceived personally. Bit like seeing the man on the moon. It can smile back sometimes :0)

That mean your perception is biased by images you have created by conditioning yourselves. If you can percieve without any fragmentation and without the patterning of thought, then you are instantly in that state of silence where time halts. Which is that self realisation.

 

[suncowiam]

God does exist. In YOUR MIND.


And in your heart and soul, of course.

 

[Vijay B Menon]

God does exist. In YOUR MIND.


And in your heart and soul, of course.

And what is heart, mind and soul. They are all thought induced. Can we perceive any one of them. One is only aware of thoughts nothing else.

 

[suncowiam]

And what is heart, mind and soul. They are all thought induced. Can we perceive any one of them. One is only aware of thoughts nothing else.

Ok, how about I take out heart and soul. And just suggest that God exists in your mind?