Does an Atheist Know God?

[Fool]

I checked. There were no questions.




How are ideas eternal?

because information can't be created, or destroyed, it is simply transformed. quantum no-hiding theorem

the form is irrelvant, the information is there. change your mind about something, and you can see the matter is mutable the action isn't. thus the idea is eternal, realized it has always been and its forms are transitory.


idealism vs realism.

but an idea that doesn't come to fruition is like saying i love you without actions and a result.

MOVE

 

[WhatAMess-enger]

The Lord if death that's purposely puts himself through any amount of hell just to battle God and roam hell. It's what they prefer. Anybody that sharres his feelings will get war in the nastiest tactics by him. He might let them gain a facorable position in the plot, but only so they glorify atheism and their method, then get slaughteted

 

[Unveiled Artist]

because information can't be created, or destroyed, it is simply transformed. quantum no-hiding theorem

the form is irrelvant, the information is there. change your mind about something, and you can see the matter is mutable the action isn't. thus the idea is eternal, realized it has always been and its forms are transitory.


idealism vs realism.

but an idea that doesn't come to fruition is like saying i love you without actions and a result.

MOVE

Once the form is gone, the idea is gone. The results of that idea lingers depending on the actions and idea that influenced those actions.

I have love for my mother.

I give my mother flowers on her birthday.

I pass away. That idea of love is gone. That's a fact.

Her sentiments, spirit, and feelings that she has of me will always stay. It cannot be confused with the actual love because

form and idea go hand in hand.

So, instead of mistaking love for form/me, she comes from her grieving process and accept love for what it is now. It's not part of form anymore, so it's not the same love. I wouldn't call it love because form is not there. But we call it love because it's personal.

Objectively, there is no more love. It's a lingering idea of love that no longer exists because ideas like love cannot exist without form and the other way around. Love isn't an external being. It's a comination of experiences and physiological and psychological make up of our thoughts and bodies. Without these things, when we return to the earth and water, we no longer exist.

I know my family exists with me in spirit. I cannot say that objectively because once they had passed away, that physical part of that love or spirit no longer exist. So they are alive and fact within me and all my family members. It is still form but manifested differently.

But it isn't the same because that family member no longer exists.

Form and energy changes. It's not the same. Everything is forming, changing, and moving. To say anything is external is not accepting the end of the grieving process of life. Hence why they stick on to religion.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Fool]

Once the form is gone, the idea is gone. The results of that idea lingers depending on the actions and idea that influenced those actions.

I have love for my mother.

I give my mother flowers on her birthday.

I pass away. That idea of love is gone. That's a fact.

Her sentiments, spirit, and feelings that she has of me will always stay. It cannot be confused with the actual love because

form and idea go hand in hand.

So, instead of mistaking love for form/me, she comes from her grieving process and accept love for what it is now. It's not part of form anymore, so it's not the same love. I wouldn't call it love because form is not there. But we call it love because it's personal.

Objectively, there is no more love. It's a lingering idea of love that no longer exists because ideas like love cannot exist without form and the other way around. Love isn't an external being. It's a comination of experiences and physiological and psychological make up of our thoughts and bodies. Without these things, when we return to the earth and water, we no longer exist.

I know my family exists with me in spirit. I cannot say that objectively because once they had passed away, that physical part of that love or spirit no longer exist. So they are alive and fact within me and all my family members. It is still form but manifested differently.

But it isn't the same because that family member no longer exists.

Form and energy changes. It's not the same. Everything is forming, changing, and moving. To say anything is external is not accepting the end of the grieving process of life. Hence why they stick on to religion.

Nothing wrong with that.

loving a form is a form of idolatry.

love is not an exact form. it's an action, with is a form of energy.

people don't just love one form and love isn't this form or that one. it's the relationship or action between two forms. love is an idea that doesn't have an exact form but does have an action.

hatred is an action. it's an idea. it doesn't necessarily take the form of a mother who hates her daughter. it takes many forms but the action is the same based on ignorance, misunderstanding.


as jesus said father forgive them for know not what they do

 

[Scuba Pete]

there is no sacrifice in love.

Then you're doing it wrong. Love is putting the needs of others ahead of your own. While it might create emotions and also be fueled by emotions, that is not an integral part of love. Love is the decision to sacrifice for others.

 

[Scuba Pete]

its not as wise an idea as many seem to think.

Yeah, I'm definitely not one of 'those'. People be judging. I don't care. I just keep rolling and loving. Just because they judge others doesn't mean I have to. To me, the only sin is hate. The more I love, the less I hate.

 

[Fool]

Then you're doing it wrong. Love is putting the needs of others ahead of your own. While it might create emotions and also be fueled by emotions, that is not an integral part of love. Love is the decision to sacrifice for others.

Wrong. Love is putting the needs of other as your own. Do unto others as you would have done unto you

 

[Scuba Pete]

Wrong.

Obviously, we love a lot differently. Peace.

 

[Fool]

Obviously, we love a lot differently. Peace.

God is not a respecter of person. Love is not a respecter of person. So why is a christian?

 

[Scuba Pete]

God is not a respecter of person. Love is not a respecter of person. So why is a christian?

Neither is syntax a respecter of persons, or maybe you just don't respect syntax. Just what are you asking? Please rephrase the question so I can attempt to answer it.

 

[Spiderman]

I'd argue that many atheists know "god" far better than many alleged theists... ... but that's just me.

Id say some atheists are more christ-like , humble, and charitable than most Christians...so, yes

 

[psychoslice]

Atheist don't need a reason to love for that isn't love, love is freedom, if you have to love because you are told to love then again that's not love, you are only fooling yourself.

 

[Fool]

Atheist don't need a reason to love for that isn't love, love is freedom, if you have to love because you are told to love then again that's not love, you are only fooling yourself.

love doesn't follow reason. the things of love are fullishness to the worldly wise

 

[Fool]

Neither is syntax a respecter of persons, or maybe you just don't respect syntax. Just what are you asking? Please rephrase the question so I can attempt to answer it.

you claimed that love is different for you than for some other. i stated that Love is not a respecter of person. it is the same action no matter the belief system.

 

[psychoslice]

Atheist don't need a reason to love for that isn't love, love is freedom, if you have to love because you are told to love then again that's not love, you are only fooling yourself.

love doesn't follow reason. the things of love are fullishness to the worldly wise

Exactly.

 

[LuisDantas]

I'd argue that many atheists know "god" far better than many alleged theists... ... but that's just me.

Not just you.

 

[Scuba Pete]

it is the same action no matter the belief system.

Apparently, it's not. Your definition of love is radically different than mine. The Scriptures teach me that Godly love is all about sacrifice...
John 3:16 For God so loved the world he gave his Son. NIV
Now that is a sacrifice I wouldn't be able to do.
John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. NIV
This is easier than the first scripture and while I would like to think I would be capable of this, humility causes me to pause.
1 Corinthians 10:23 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. 24 No one should seek their own good, but the good of others." NIV
Probably one of my favorite verses...
Philippians 2 Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind. 3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others." NIV
One final scripture, just in case you still haven't been convinced that Christianity demands personal sacrifice. I've said this before, but it bears repeating: The problem with living sacrifices is that we keep crawling off of the alter.
Romans 12:Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. NIV

Too many use their beliefs as a club to beat people with. They accuse, they judge, they badger and they treat people horribly because they don't believe exactly the same way that they do. They claim to do this out of love and in the name of Jesus. I find their actions obscene and contrary to what I read in the Scriptures. Your actions always speak louder than your words.

So what? So what if we have different views of what it means to love? Not everyone will love in the same manner, nor do they need to. That's OK as long as you're trying to love. None of us have the same capacity or motivations to love others. Love is a skill. The more you use it, the better you get at it and the stronger it becomes. Neglect it and it will wither and seem to all but die.

John 13:34 A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. NIV

Back to the OP... so does it matter that you profess to believe in God or not? If actions speak louder than words, than the person who loves others and claims that God does not exist is a far 'better' Christian than the one who claims to know God and hates his brother.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Do Atheists know Love?

1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

The context of this bible verse was in the opposite direction. The bible verse was talking about people who do not know compassion andl ove for their fellow human beings are not someone who would know the all loving god. Not that atheists don't know love.

 

[MonkeyFire]

No-Love and dis-believe
The devil and his demon

 

[SkepticX]

Apparently, it's not. Your definition of love is radically different than mine.

It isn't, really. We human brain owners actually have these kinds of things in common. Your version is just very cluttered with extraneous proprietary verbiage. Most others just allow themselves to experience love in its natural human form and don't get bogged down in all that clutter. I'm pretty sure you do too, actually, just not when you rhetoricize it for whatever reason. Seems likely that's just about apologetic strategy--making a competitive case for religion, or at least for your religion. But instead you're actually demonstrating some of Religion's divisiveness (to reify Religion for the sake of discussion) and its tendency to divert our attention away from our positive, cooperative and common nature (connecting with each other) and toward self/human-loathing--two of the most unfortunate and harmful aspects of our religious nature.