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Does an Atheist Know God?

Monk Of Reason

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transcending space and time?


today vs 10000 bce?

the easterner vs westerner?

or your belief system prefers the nihilistic idea?
I don't think love is something supernatural. Love is just a feeling. Fear isn't something supernatural for example but it legiimtatly exists.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I don't think love is something supernatural. Love is just a feeling. Fear isn't something supernatural for example but it legiimtatly exists.


so you believe science can perfect a program that can determine who will be attracted to whom and why everyone isn't attracted to everyone else?


do you believe that love came into being because of humans? are animals incapable of empathy?

do the forms dictate the action? or does the form evolve because of some change, action?

is information imbedded in everything? or does the scientist instill the information in the object?

who is learning from who? what? where?

does the object have to have self-awareness to have intelligence? or is it just a shift inward vs exclusively outward?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
no one has a need more than another. a need is the same for all. if your needs have been met, then by all means share the excess but charity begins at home and then elsewhere. you can't save someone; if you yourself are drowning.


the blind leading the blind and they all fall in a hole.

jesus said to love one another as I have loved you. he didn't say to love some, or anyone, more than another.

Have you given something you value to your family or would you keep what you value even though your family needed it to survive?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Have you given something you value to your family or would you keep what you value even though your family needed it to survive?


again,

a need requires a result of the need being met, in order to survive. food, shelter, security, are all needs. jewelry is not a need. it's an excess, a want. so if you have someone in survival mode and you have excess. it isn't a sacrifice. its a materialistic excess. its the difference between the idea of blood vs water. we all have one father but some don't believe that we are born of fire and water.



the story of the richman and lazarus is an example of want vs need.
 

Monk Of Reason

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so you believe science can perfect a program that can determine who will be attracted to whom and why everyone isn't attracted to everyone else?


do you believe that love came into being because of humans? are animals incapable of empathy?

do the forms dictate the action? or does the form evolve because of some change, action?

is information imbedded in everything? or does the scientist instill the information in the object?

who is learning from who? what? where?

does the object have to have self-awareness to have intelligence? or is it just a shift inward vs exclusively outward?
We probably have the concept of love more advanced than any other previous species but I wouldn't ever say that humans are the only ones that love. Empathy exists in most mammalian species. It even exists in many birds and a good number of reptiles. Not in trees. Tree's don't give a crap if you die.

I don't know what you mean by form as it isn't given with context.

In a way information is imbedded in everything. Love evolved with our brains. An object osberves other objects and is in return observed. That counts as awareness by some definition. Now the usage of the term "intellegence" is a tricky monster in english. Lets change the term to cognition as it more accuratly represents what it is that we are trying to talk about. Does a pen have cognition? No. Does a cat? Yes. Do humans? Yes. Do trees? Probably not.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
We probably have the concept of love more advanced than any other previous species but I wouldn't ever say that humans are the only ones that love. Empathy exists in most mammalian species. It even exists in many birds and a good number of reptiles. Not in trees. Tree's don't give a crap if you die.

I don't know what you mean by form as it isn't given with context.

In a way information is imbedded in everything. Love evolved with our brains. An object osberves other objects and is in return observed. That counts as awareness by some definition. Now the usage of the term "intellegence" is a tricky monster in english. Lets change the term to cognition as it more accuratly represents what it is that we are trying to talk about. Does a pen have cognition? No. Does a cat? Yes. Do humans? Yes. Do trees? Probably not.


intelligence doesn't require self-awareness.

and yes trees have cognition

even bacteria


How deep is your love?
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I think the average so called atheist simply take life as it is, not making a big deal about it, life is here, to live, not to be taken serious, if you have to take life serious with a so called god looking down on you, then its not a life, its a hell.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I think the average so called atheist simply take life as it is, not making a big deal about it, life is here, to live, not to be taken serious, if you have to take life serious with a so called god looking down on you, then its not a life, its a hell.
i cannot agree....

God can't help but look down

should we not be looking up?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
again,

a need requires a result of the need being met, in order to survive. food, shelter, security, are all needs. jewelry is not a need. it's an excess, a want. so if you have someone in survival mode and you have excess. it isn't a sacrifice. its a materialistic excess. its the difference between the idea of blood vs water. we all have one father but some don't believe that we are born of fire and water.



the story of the richman and lazarus is an example of want vs need.

I didn't mention all of that. It's just a yes or no question. Don't read more into it.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I see that parable as ......consequence dealt


actions have results. you reap what you sow. for every action there is an opposite but equal reaction. the gulf/abyss is the difference of a point of view. heaven and hell are states of mind
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I didn't mention all of that. It's just a yes or no question. Don't read more into it.


states of mind. change the mind and you can change the matter. push up on it. unless you lift up the son of man like nehushtan in the desert everything just keeps crashing down

raise the shekinah
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
actions have results. you reap what you sow. for every action there is an opposite but equal reaction. the gulf/abyss is the difference of a point of view. heaven and hell are states of mind
agreed....however....

i suspect what was dealt unto me will be returned
as man times as there are angels
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
states of mind. change the mind and you can change the matter. push up on it. unless you lift up the son of man like nehushtan in the desert everything just keeps crashing down

raise the shekinah

Now you are bypassing the question.

You said you start from home. To me, home means family.

Do you keep what you have and let your family die or do you give what you value for your family to survive?

Yes or no.

I am making it simple. No strings attached.
 
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