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Does an Atheist Know God?

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Hmm?


Yep. I give my love that I could keep for myself but instead, I give it also to those in need of it say in a hug or a good conversation. I sacrifice my time, my energy, and gave them my interest and unconditional love. To many here who do that is a great sacrifice because everyone works here.



Of course. So if I had a selfish motive say to keep all the money for myself and let my family starve, I'd be heartbroken. So I sacrifice my money to give to my family in need so we are all well met in finances.


Of course. I give clothing I don't need to good will a lot. But sacrifice is more giving to those who need something more than you would need it. I need money but I know someone who has no job would need it more than me. Knowing my experiences around homelessness and abuse, I'd give them my last dollar as it is not my life to hold on to a dollar. I can't eat dollar bills. Nowadays, it's an insult to give someone whose homeless a dollar because everything costs so much that he/she can't get what they want because of taxes.



That is the point of someone sacrificing something is because they need it.

We don't sacrifice because we want to. We don't just willy nilly hand off clothing we may need for the winter season to any old person. Sacrifice usually are to those who need clothing and other things of value more than the person giving the item.

Sacrifice is a form of giving. You're not keeping whatever you have for yourself but giving it to someone else who may or may not need it more than you. It's charity.

It's that hug. That money. That kiss. That food. You talked about.

You can call it charity. I call it thanksgiving or gratitude.

In the beginning of this post, you quoted scripture. In Christianity, they consider it sacrifice. That's my point.

in the OP i posted words that represent an idea. that idea isn't exclusive to christianity, or any belief system. that scripture was written for jews and gentiles alike, or believers. it wasn't written exclusively for christians, or even by self identifying christians.


retaining what you need is not like keeping what you want.. a necessity is indispensable. excess, or want, is dispensable.

Jesus answered and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.

your belief on this matter is negative in its nature. it holds that something has to be lost by self in order for something to be gained for other self..
that is selfish in itself. there is no recognition of self as other self. there is not two but only ONE

with love something is transformed and nothing is lost in so doing.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Well in my belief there is no such thing as god, so what do you expect atheist to believe, some silly man in the sky ??.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Does an Atheist Know God?

Atheism is sort of color-blind in knowing G-d, that does not mean that life is colorless. Please
Regards
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
your belief on this matter is negative in its nature. it holds that something has to be lost by self in order for something to be gained for other self..

I dont understand how that is negative. If I were a parent and my child were starving, I wouldnt be selfish and let my child die to keep my life. Its maternal instinct. Im not a nun but I do care about other people enough to help them out.

Charity has no reservations. Either you give or you dont. Whst you give shouldnt have to be weighed if its "worth" giving at the expense of your lost. Thats already selfish. Just dont give. Either be charitable or not. No mix messages.

I have a friend who I say is home less even though he is under shelter but not safe by any means. He needs money. A place to stay. But I sacrifice my time and emotional energy because he also needs a friend to listen to. This frie d has listensd about murders and rapes to keep it general. But ater i found its a toxic friendship

But I never stoped giving my time and being a friend (at the loss of my emotional well being) and I just had to set some safe limits for myself as well.

Sacrifice does not need to be like jesus who gave his life when he did not need to. Its a charity not a form of devotional suicide.

But you can call it giving.

Are you only givi g what you can afford to give or are you giving for that other persons need? If not, why give if it has reservations? To many thats selfish not cherity.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I dont understand how that is negative. If I were a parent and my child were starving, I wouldnt be selfish and let my child die to keep my life. Its maternal instinct. Im not a nun but I do care about other people enough to help them out.

Charity has no reservations. Either you give or you dont. Whst you give shouldnt have to be weighed if its "worth" giving at the expense of your lost. Thats already selfish. Just dont give. Either be charitable or not. No mix messages.

I have a friend who I say is home less even though he is under shelter but not safe by any means. He needs money. A place to stay. But I sacrifice my time and emotional energy because he also needs a friend to listen to. This frie d has listensd about murders and rapes to keep it general. But ater i found its a toxic friendship

But I never stoped giving my time and being a friend (at the loss of my emotional well being) and I just had to set some safe limits for myself as well.

Sacrifice does not need to be like jesus who gave his life when he did not need to. Its a charity not a form of devotional suicide.

But you can call it giving.

Are you only givi g what you can afford to give or are you giving for that other persons need? If not, why give if it has reservations? To many thats selfish not cherity.
Did he really give his life, and what the hell does that really mean ?.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Did he really give his life, and what the hell does that really mean ?.

Hahaha.

Yes. Its he same as the saints. They died for their beliefs. I had to look behind all the bias cause I dont like looking negstively at religions and religious.

What does it mean? A person died for another person so that other person learns how to do the same for others.

In my point of view, we dont need someone else to take their lives to teach us a lesson of charity. But thats just me. I dont know why its hard to understand regardless of how one feels about it. I hate math but I know why two and two is four.

Eh.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Hahaha.

Yes. Its he same as the saints. They died for their beliefs. I had to look behind all the bias cause I dont like looking negstively at religions and religious.

What does it mean? A person died for another person so that other person learns how to do the same for others.

In my point of view, we dont need someone else to take their lives to teach us a lesson of charity. But thats just me. I dont know why its hard to understand regardless of how one feels about it. I hate math but I know why two and two is four.

Eh.
Yes when we look at the situation it sounds silly, as if someone can die for all, its ridiculous, and it just couldn't even save him himself, yes its ridiculous.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Yes when we look at the situation it sounds silly, as if someone can die for all, its ridiculous, and it just couldn't even save him himself, yes its ridiculous.

He could have if, sorry to say, if he kept his mouth shut. But my hang up is why death to bring life. I know The Buddha talks about "understanding" the nature if suffering (life/death) but he does t tell us we have to die or he has to die to understand it.

I have yet to have a christian explain how death brings life. Usually, the body tries to rejuvinate itself to bring itself back to life. I do believe in spirits and I see no difference.

So, I guess Im beating a dead horse. I may laugh at myself for doing so but at he expense of others faith, naw. It is what it is.

"Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result"... let it be and move on.

 

SkepticX

Member
@SkepticX Here's a free clue, which is a half ball of yarn by Greek standards. When you come out swinging and using sesquipedalians that don't apply, then someone's going to call Shenanigans and deem it psychobabble. My definition of love is pretty simple: put others first. That's what I posted and that's what I'm sticking with. It's achievable by theist, non-theist and atheist alike. On top of that it's anything but dark. So, was your aim off? Indubitably. Apparently, your real beef is with fool and his convoluted concept of love. Please... hammer on him.
My apologies ... I certainly didn't mean to traumatize you so.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Did he really give his life, and what the hell does that really mean ?.

the crucifiers and others got it wrong. otherwise he would have no need to ask for their forgiveness, when they didn't have a clue of what they were doing.

Father forgive them, They know not what they do.
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I would like to know the definition of "intellegence" as you use it.

Why do you think trees have cognition? And for that matter why do you think bacteria has cognition?

About a meter and a half.


its the same definition as used in the articles. its information needed for the sentient being to be self-sustaining.

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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
The ability to aquire and apply knowledge and skills? Typically this requires cognition.

the research shows cognition.


Plants are capable of a refined recognition of self and non-self and are territorial in behaviour.
This new view sees plants as information processing organisms with complex communication throughout the individual plant.
Plants are as sophisticated in behaviour as animals but their potential has been masked because it operates on time scales many orders of magnitude less than that operating in animals.
 

Monk Of Reason

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the research shows cognition.


Plants are capable of a refined recognition of self and non-self and are territorial in behaviour.
This new view sees plants as information processing organisms with complex communication throughout the individual plant.
Plants are as sophisticated in behaviour as animals but their potential has been masked because it operates on time scales many orders of magnitude less than that operating in animals.
The research does not show cognition. No where did it mention cognition. What it mentions is slow but advanced information processing in the behavior of plants. However it functions in a significantly different way that animal cognition which only comes out of brain structures.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
The research does not show cognition. No where did it mention cognition. What it mentions is slow but advanced information processing in the behavior of plants. However it functions in a significantly different way that animal cognition which only comes out of brain structures.


different cognition = cognition differently


Plant Signaling & Behavior

The ability of plant leaves to track the sun is not only a case of cognitive, nonreactive covariation, but also a case where cognition decentralizes. Successful tracking behavior requires the manipulation of information which is continually updated and combined with endogenous data. Embodied cognition lays the stress upon real-world situations as the context in which cognition takes place and makes sense.viii Other “cognitive” abilities such as flowering years ahead of time, computing the location of shade ahead of time by sensing reflected far-red/red light, synchronizing growth patterns with periods when water will be available (see ref. 22 for a review of these and other predictive powers) must be studied in the light of an embodied cognitive science.
 
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