Does an Atheist Know God?

[Fool]

different cognition = cognition differently

no brainer

Plant Signaling & Behavior

The ability of plant leaves to track the sun is not only a case of cognitive, nonreactive covariation, but also a case where cognition decentralizes. Successful tracking behavior requires the manipulation of information which is continually updated and combined with endogenous data. Embodied cognition lays the stress upon real-world situations as the context in which cognition takes place and makes sense.viii Other “cognitive” abilities such as flowering years ahead of time, computing the location of shade ahead of time by sensing reflected far-red/red light, synchronizing growth patterns with periods when water will be available (see ref. 22 for a review of these and other predictive powers) must be studied in the light of an embodied cognitive science.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

different cognition = cognition differently


Plant Signaling & Behavior

The ability of plant leaves to track the sun is not only a case of cognitive, nonreactive covariation, but also a case where cognition decentralizes. Successful tracking behavior requires the manipulation of information which is continually updated and combined with endogenous data. Embodied cognition lays the stress upon real-world situations as the context in which cognition takes place and makes sense.viii Other “cognitive” abilities such as flowering years ahead of time, computing the location of shade ahead of time by sensing reflected far-red/red light, synchronizing growth patterns with periods when water will be available (see ref. 22 for a review of these and other predictive powers) must be studied in the light of an embodied cognitive science.

Its a neat theory but really doesn't hold for what we were discussing.

 

[psychoslice]

have you considered?......this life is not altogether......terminal

I don't quite understand ?.

 

[psychoslice]

the crucifiers and others got it wrong. otherwise he would have no need to ask for their forgiveness, when they didn't have a clue of what they were doing.

Father forgive them, They know not what they do.

So it says.

 

[Fool]

So it says.

there are two types of sin: 1. sin from ignorance, 2. willful sin.

ignorance of the Law is not an excuse from the Law.
premeditated sin is even worse. knowing the Law and being indifferent is worse. it's a flagrant disregard.

 

[psychoslice]

there are two types of sin: 1. sin from ignorance, 2. willful sin.

ignorance of the Law is not an excuse from the Law.
premeditated sin is even worse. knowing the Law and being indifferent is worse. it's a flagrant disregard.

Yes and again so it say's.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Depends what you mean by 'know'

Atheists knows enough that he does not like God and in his fallen nature will oppose God
much like a criminal will freely run from a policeman

That heart propensity is part of the problem and it's change and transformation
part of redemption, regeneration and renewal

They know wrongly putting mixed up values on the wrong things like going into a store
and switching around all the price tags

 

[Fool]

Yes and again so it say's.

i wasn't speaking from a figurative, or biblical aspect exclusively. I was speaking from a real world judiciary aspect too.

 

[psychoslice]

i wasn't speaking from a figurative, or biblical aspect exclusively. I was speaking from a real world judiciary aspect too.

Yes I see, its just that I don't like the word sin, its too loaded, its full of well, you name it.

 

[paarsurrey]

Does an Atheist Know God?

An Atheist could know G-d, His doors are open to everybody. An Atheist could pray to G-d to lead one to Himself and start knowing Him. Please
Regards

 

[Fool]

Yes I see, its just that I don't like the word sin, its too loaded, its full of well, you name it.

you assign a negative feeling on a word? whether you call it a sin, trangression, crime, or wrong its still the same negative action of one person against another.

 

[Fool]

Its a neat theory but really doesn't hold for what we were discussing.

it holds to the fact that intelligence is found in things other than animals and the unfortunately typical idea of intelligence.

 

[psychoslice]

you assign a negative feeling on a word? whether you call it a sin, trangression, crime, or wrong its still the same negative action of one person against another.

Yes that is so, but the word sin is mostly associated with religious beliefs.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

it holds to the fact that intelligence is found in things other than animals and the unfortunately typical idea of intelligence.

Actually what it breaks down to is that Intellegence isn't what we thought it was. The origins of intellegence and how it is a biological process rather than a gift of consciousness.

 

[Fool]

Actually what it breaks down to is that intelligence isn't what we thought it was. The origins of intelligence and how it is a biological process rather than a gift of consciousness.

the problem is that science can only study what it can measure at any given point in time and space. if science doesn't have the ability to measure, science doesn't have the ability to define. Science won't say that it solely a biological process. it says it can only measure the biological process. that is a huge difference.


Consciousness

 

[Monk Of Reason]

the problem is that science can only study what it can measure at any given point in time and space. if science doesn't have the ability to measure, science doesn't have the ability to define. Science won't say that it solely a biological process. it says it can only measure the biological process. that is a huge difference.


Consciousness

By that logic science doesn't have the ability to define anything at any time. Such a nihilist view seems inapropriate. Livescience isn't a science journal and I am familiar with Koch poking the stick at consciousness arguments to sell books and products. There is no evidence of a duality. There is no evidence of a comprehensive consciouness with self awareness and contemplation except in our cognitive functioning skills. An atom exists. It doesn't have to "try" to exist. It is affected by the world around it and the world around it is affected by it. There is no conscience or thought behind its actions. A drop of rain falls and behaves exactly as it has to. The biological processes of lfie, even at the rudamentary form, has some degree of action. This action doesn't require what we feel and see. Our ability to function while we are awake is very very different than what they mean when they attempt to talk about consciousness. Its partly why I hate these articles where scientists talk in one way and new agey people tend to interpret it another.

 

[Fool]

By that logic science doesn't have the ability to define anything at any time. Such a nihilist view seems inapropriate. Livescience isn't a science journal and I am familiar with Koch poking the stick at consciousness arguments to sell books and products. There is no evidence of a duality. There is no evidence of a comprehensive consciouness with self awareness and contemplation except in our cognitive functioning skills. An atom exists. It doesn't have to "try" to exist. It is affected by the world around it and the world around it is affected by it. There is no conscience or thought behind its actions. A drop of rain falls and behaves exactly as it has to. The biological processes of lfie, even at the rudamentary form, has some degree of action. This action doesn't require what we feel and see. Our ability to function while we are awake is very very different than what they mean when they attempt to talk about consciousness. Its partly why I hate these articles where scientists talk in one way and new agey people tend to interpret it another.

The Weird, But True, Evidence for 'Spooky Action' at Distance (Kavli Hangout)

the numbers don't lie.

Board of Trustees |

Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research

Center for Consciousness Studies . Tucson . Arizona

 

[Monk Of Reason]

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Ain't no text.

 

[Fool]

Ain't no text.

The Lancet: Near-death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest

 

[Monk Of Reason]

The Weird, But True, Evidence for 'Spooky Action' at Distance (Kavli Hangout)

the numbers don't lie.

Board of Trustees |

Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research

Center for Consciousness Studies . Tucson . Arizona

The Lancet: Near-death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest

Weird thing to say right before posting 4 links with no math in them.

The first one talks about Quantem entanglement. Its a real phenomenon and a neat one at that. But it doesn't have the slightest thing to do with what we are talking about.

The third link is an old link that was about a disenfranchized and rejected research group that didn't even receieve funding from the school that has been working on proving ESP for the last thirty years and failed to come up with anything beyond the statistical error rate. The second is the new group after the founder left that group.

The next is a link to something that doesne't give me a clear indication of what they actually do or what they propose. Seems to be part of the University of Arizona under the anesteseologist department. If you had something more please link me to something specific.

Then the last one is on the anecdotal evidences of people with near death experiences.