We Never Know
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"according to Matthew, he hung himself, but in Acts, it says that he fell headlong, his body burst open, and all of his intestines spilled out"
He died either way
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Does any supernatural god exist?
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He died either way
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
So it could have been like this, Judas was given thirty pieces of silver for betraying Jesus which he later threw into the temple where the priests picked it up and went and bought the potter's field for foreigners with the "blood money", in Judas' name, where Judas then went and hung himself, but the rope broke and he fell headlong on the ground and his body burst open, and all of his intestines spilled out.
Soandso
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This is true!
Yes, in Acts it does say that while in Matthew it says that the priests bought it. Both things can't be true, especially since he leaves immediately and then hangs himself right after throwing the coins
Seems like he found a tree on top of the highest cliff on that property to hang himself off of so he'd explode like a giant meat pinata when he fell and hit the ground. Could be a scene right off of "Life of Brian," honestly
Soandso
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If you died of cancer and left your money to a family member, then your family member took that money and decided to donate the money in your name towards research fighting that kind of cancer, did you donate that money or did your family member? When you leave your property to someone, it stops being yours and it is now theirs - even if they do something with it in your name. Now, if I had said "I want my money to go to cancer research after I die" while I was on my deathbed, that would be different
We see no evidence of Judas describing to the priests what he wants done with the money in the bible, though. I doubt he was yelling out to buy the field he was going to hang himself at during the moments he was running out of the temple after he had thrown the money
what solidifies the fact that we have two different stories here is that there are multiple different accounts of what happens in regards to unmistakably identical events. The name of the field is the same in both accounts, but the reason it gets it's name is different. Judas dies in both accounts, but the ways that he dies are different. The field is purchased in both accounts, but the people buying the fields are different
there's a lot here that points to the fact that one of these accounts (at least) just isn't true. If you were an investigator, and two people gave you two different accounts this drastically different of the same events, would you believe them both or would it seem like one of them or both of them might be lying?
Charles Philips
Banned
Everybody knows that the sun and planets are moving at hi speed through space, there's no issue with that. The Bible didn't get into all the cosmological details in those passages. It simply stated that they would witness the sun and the moon to stop in their place, that means the earth stopped turning. But from the point of the observer it appeared that the sun and the moon had stopped in their tracks.
That passage of scriptures was not given as a lesson in cosmology, it was dealing with a completely separate lesson
Charles Philips
Banned
God is separate to His creation, just as an artist is not a part of his painting. He is separate from the canvas and paints, it's actually not that difficult to understandCan you rephrase that?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I agree with you. It applies to all, not just atheists. It applies even to you and @Charles Phillips.
More to theists, since atheists are not making a claim of existence of any God.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Allegorical? How do we differentiate between a real and an allegorical statement? Does that apply to Jesus as a historical person?
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
The source of me and the source of a family member is the same, our Heavenly Father, and because I am dead, my soul in Heaven directs the Heavenly Father to direct the family member's Heavenly soul to direct the family member's ego self to donate my money to research to fight that specific cancer that caused the death of my ego self when my physical body died.
You don't know that Judas wasn't yelling out to buy the field as he was going to hang himself during the moment he was running out of the temple after he had thrown the money, you are just being skeptical. And the same for your other points... .oh ye of little faith.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
But the difference is....all atheists believe there is no God, while there are some religious souls who know a reality where they do not need to believe in God because they understand that they and God are one.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Sorry sir, I do not want to argue, but I would suggest to you that there is a case for a universal reality which includes God, which is non-dual, one reality. You may like to keep it in mind.
Charles Philips
Banned
OK, so you believe in hose mystical non existent pagan gods. Got ya
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
Not only do pagan gods and goddesses exist they are equal to the Abrahamic god. Not superior and not inferior. They are as real as any other god. Your statemen is based on ignorance or worse arrogance. You may think you are superior but that is at the heart of your problem.
Charles Philips
Banned
You are dead wrong about everything you said. You forgot the elephant in the room. God hold the whole universe in the palm of His hand. The solar system is a tiny speck of pond scum in his sight. God doesn't play by your rules, He considers the wise guys to be an abomination in His sight. God is supernatural, every speck of dust in the entire universe must obey Him.One by one...
1) Didn't God explain to the Israelites that the earth is moving, orbiting, is not flat (disk) and does not have four corners? Perhaps he didn't, because the firmament covering the whole earth (Genesis 1) wouldn't work in this case...
2) Can the sun, moon and earth stand still without orbiting around each other and also rotating about their axis as told in Joshua 10 for a whole day? No they couldn't, because that could create havoc in the universe. In case of Earth, it rotates at about 1000 miles an hour (at Equator) and any sudden stoppage would throw everything up in the air and kill us all, let alone other huge disasters.
You could easily find out these things before writing, but then again knowing how ignorant the authors of the Bible thought that God was, would create doubts in your faith, wouldn't it?
Did the Israelites see the the sun and the moon stop until the battle was won? No way, so the Bible contains nonsense.
Once you learn the basics of theology, you may be equipped to engage in a rational discussion on the subject, until then all you have to offer is hot air
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
The only one that is dead wrong is you.
Charles Philips
Banned
No it doesn't and you need wisdom to discern Gods Word and God only gives the gift of discernment to His Elect Saints
Nearly 60 % of the earth's inhabitants believe in the God of Abraham as evidenced by numbers of people identifying with an Abrahamic religion, Judaism, Christianity, Islam or Baha'i.
We Never Know
No Slack
Are you an elect saint of god?
We Never Know
No Slack
People can believe anything they want. It doesn't make it true or fact.
Example...
Many that believe they will wake up tomorrow, won't.
Charles Philips
Banned
I can't keep that in mind as I reject it as absurd and nonsensical. I only keep gems and throw away the dross