Does Anyone Take the Story of Noah's Ark Literally?

[PackJason]

I gave you them.- The first one concerning arguably the greatest scientific question of all time

atheists/academic scientists ridiculed the Biblical concept of a creation event as 'religious pseudoscience' they overwhelmingly backed static, eternal, steady state models (no creation = no creator)

'Big Bang' was a pejorative term atheist Hoyle coined to mock the priest Lemaitre's primeval atom theory- because of what he complained of as overt theistic implications. Implications which mysteriously vanished once proven beyond most doubt!

Wow ... pretty loose "examples."

By the way, the Big Bang wasn't the "creation of the universe" but rather the sudden rapid expansion that formed or present day universe.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Wow ... pretty loose "examples."

By the way, the Big Bang wasn't the "creation of the universe" but rather the sudden rapid expansion that formed or present day universe.

The greatest scientific discovery of all time.. validating the Biblical account of the origins of the universe, and debunking the atheist one- is a loose example?

It was the literal creation of all space/time matter/energy as we can possibly ever know it-

If people don't like to use the word 'creation' for this, it's usually the implications rather than the word itself that they don't like

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I gave you them.- The first one concerning arguably the greatest scientific question of all time

atheists/academic scientists ridiculed the Biblical concept of a creation event as 'religious pseudoscience' they overwhelmingly backed static, eternal, steady state models (no creation = no creator)

'Big Bang' was a pejorative term atheist Hoyle coined to mock the priest Lemaitre's primeval atom theory- because of what he complained of as overt theistic implications. Implications which mysteriously vanished once proven beyond most doubt!

The Big Bang wasn't the beginning of all that is, just the start of our universe as we know it.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

The Big Bang wasn't the beginning of all that is, just the start of our universe as we know it.

In other words:

The beginning of everything as we can possibly know it, is only the beginning of everything as we can possibly know it..

how much closer to a beginning is it possible to know?

 

[First Baseman]

Not without taking unimaginable leaps of imagination and sorrowful lapses in common sense.


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You mean like macro-evolution and abiogenesis? No, just because you don't want to hear it that does not make it untrue.

 

[First Baseman]

The Big Bang wasn't the beginning of all that is, just the start of our universe as we know it.

So what was the beginning of all that is?

 

[PackJason]

The greatest scientific discovery of all time.. validating the Biblical account of the origins of the universe, and debunking the atheist one- is a loose example?

How the hell does the Big Bang validate the Biblical account? According to Genesis god created the universe in 6 days.

 

[PackJason]

You mean like macro-evolution and abiogenesis? No, just because you don't want to hear it that does not make it untrue.

Your pope accepts the fact of macroevolution. Why don't you?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

How the hell does the Big Bang validate the Biblical account? According to Genesis god created the universe in 6 days.

according to atheists at the time, it wasn't created at all, it was static, eternal, steady state.

creation v non creation.

 

[PackJason]

how much closer to a beginning is it possible to know?

Irrelevant.

 

[First Baseman]

Your pope accepts the fact of macroevolution. Why don't you?

I do not agree with the pope. I don't agree with him because macro-evolution didn't and has not ever happened.

And how do you explain abiogenesis? It would take a miracle for any theory of abiogenesis to have occurred.

 

[PackJason]

according to atheists at the time, it wasn't created at all, it was static, eternal, steady state.

And as far as we know, it still is eternal. No one knows what happened before the Big Bang.

 

[PackJason]

I do not agree with the pope.

I believe that's blasphemy.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

And as far as we know, it still is eternal. No one knows what happened before the Big Bang.

It was the beginning of time itself.... You really can't get much more 'beginningy' than that can you?

 

[First Baseman]

I believe that's blasphemy.

I don't.

And neither do you. One can't blaspheme if no god exists.

 

[PackJason]

It was the beginning of time itself.... You really can't get much more 'beginningy' than that can you?

It was the beginning of time as we understand it.

Again, no one knows what happened before the Big Bang.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

It was the beginning of time as we understand it.

Again, no one knows what happened before the Big Bang.

Or if there even was a 'before', so philosophical speculation aside- we are looking at an utterly unique specific creation event, inexplicable by any preexisting natural cause

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So what was the beginning of all that is?

I'll settle for a healthy "I don't know" rather than trying to speculate and trust the ancient words of long-dead shepherds and cultures that didn't even get basic facts correct.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Or if there even was a 'before', so philosophical speculation aside- we are looking at an utterly unique specific creation event, inexplicable by any preexisting natural cause

Probably not. There is no real reason to assume this is the only universe in existence. Of course there is no hard proof, but we have no hard proof of alien life but no real reason to assume it isn't out there somewhere.

 

[viole]

Or if there even was a 'before', so philosophical speculation aside- we are looking at an utterly unique specific creation event, inexplicable by any preexisting natural cause

Question begging alarm.

It is just you assumption that this event could be qualified as a creation event.

Ciao

- viole