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Does Anyone Take the Story of Noah's Ark Literally?

Guy Threepwood

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
Shadow Wolf said:
Probably not. There is no real reason to assume this is the only universe in existence. Of course there is no hard proof, but we have no hard proof of alien life but no real reason to assume it isn't out there somewhere.
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well we all believe in something..

It's getting off topic a little but it's an interesting question, I see no reason to assume ET, or even believe its particularly probable. what do you base your belief on?
 
First Baseman

First Baseman

Retired athlete
Shadow Wolf said:
I'll settle for a healthy "I don't know" rather than trying to speculate and trust the ancient words of long-dead shepherds and cultures that didn't even get basic facts correct.
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I appreciate your honesty and will choose to ignore the rest of the post. :D

"I don't know" works.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Guy Threepwood said:
It's getting off topic a little but it's an interesting question, I see no reason to assume ET, or even believe its particularly probable. what do you base your belief on?
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Just by the simple observation that the universe is much bigger than what we can actually see, we know it's filled with billions and billions of planets (from what we have seen alone, about at least 200 billion galaxies and 10^24 planets), and we keep finding more-and-more Earth-like planets (at least 40 billion in just our own galaxy). Personally, I'd be more surprised to learn we truly are alone than to learn there is other intelligent life in the universe.
 
First Baseman

First Baseman

Retired athlete
PackJason said:
Of course I don't believe in blasphemy, but I know you Catholic wingnuts do.
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Not believing what the pope believes about Genesis is not blasphemy according to the Biblical text. However, if the pope denies Genesis then he is on his own, I'll not stand with him.
 
Guy Threepwood

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
Shadow Wolf said:
Just by the simple observation that the universe is much bigger than what we can actually see, we know it's filled with billions and billions of planets (from what we have seen alone, about at least 200 billion galaxies and 10^24 planets), and we keep finding more-and-more Earth-like planets (at least 40 billion in just our own galaxy). Personally, I'd be more surprised to learn we truly are alone than to learn there is other intelligent life in the universe.
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That's only one side of the equation, there are >7 billion people on the planet, so there must be lots more just like you?

You only need to identify a short list of mundane idiosyncrasies about yourself, before you are identified as utterly unique, because each improbability compounds the rest right?

The list of idiosyncrasies that make Earth habitable for complex life is neither short nor mundane- not to mention life appearing in the first place.
It's a list that grows exponentially the more we learn. I think the universe would have to be much much larger to make ET a probability.

we also have the direct evidence at hand- the 'great silence' of the galaxy.

It's an interesting question because either answer is profound- but hypothetically- if it could be determined that we were in fact alone, would this give you pause, or could you write this off as yet one more coincidence?
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Guy Threepwood said:
The greatest scientific discovery of all time.. validating the Biblical account of the origins of the universe, and debunking the atheist one- is a loose example?

It was the literal creation of all space/time matter/energy as we can possibly ever know it-

If people don't like to use the word 'creation' for this, it's usually the implications rather than the word itself that they don't like
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You still molesting that dead horse?
 
First Baseman

First Baseman

Retired athlete
Mestemia said:
Which one?
You do know that abiogenesis is an umbrella term for several ideas, right?


bold empty claim
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Yes, I know what abiogenesis means.

Well, let's see you take any of the various theories of abiogenesis and tell us all about how it happened short of a miracle.
 
O

Osal

Active Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
The story describes God regretting the creation of humans and wiping virtually all of them out, except for one righteous man and his family who are given the chance to start over.

The whole message of the story doesn't work if it's just a regional flood.
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Evolution.

Folk tales/Myths take on a life of their own. The story may have had basis in some localized event, but was adapted to fit into other lessons until it took on a more global scope.

You're looking for facts where none can or need to be found. Big mistake. Same mistake literalists make.
 
Guy Threepwood

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
First Baseman said:
Well, surely you believe in one of the theories of abiogenesis since you deny the Creator. Which one? Care to elaborate?
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More and more atheists, including Dawkins, are considering the possibility of ID, to overcome the staggering odds against life spontaneously blundering into existence for no particular reason. (as long as it's an alien race of some kind)

It's all the same theory in guiding principle: the 'anything but God' theory
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Guy Threepwood said:
More and more atheists, including Dawkins, are considering the possibility of ID, to overcome the staggering odds against life spontaneously blundering into existence for no particular reason. (as long as it's an alien race of some kind)

It's all the same theory in guiding principle: the 'anything but God' theory
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Now you are just flat out lying.
 
First Baseman

First Baseman

Retired athlete
Mestemia said:
The thing is, you do not know either.
You simply assert you do.
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Well, now you are twisting the argument. The argument is/was that you had scoffed when I said a miracle is required for one of the theories of abiogenesis to actually take place. But since you admit that you don't know how it happened you should not scoff at the fact that I said a miracle would need to happen.

If you want to change the argument we can do that.
 
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