Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?

[Saint Frankenstein]

Just want to throw in that Eastern Christians celebrate Christmas on January 7th, not December 25th.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Fruitcake is definitely EVIL!


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Yah-whatis this-.-
Christmas-evil--well, comewith me untilwe discoverthat evilnextto youat Christmas..
1. the text of the Gospel tells us how we celebrate at Christmas
2. celebrate at Christmas is a tradition of the Church and ecclesiastical rituals
3-axis alakhtfal at Christmas
Isthe word
Glory to God in the highest and peace on Earth
People in joy and good hope to human beings
4. in this wicked or evil leave you speechless
5. in the alakhtfal at Christmas and codes used therein
It's allan invention ofthe Church
She believes that the joy that is firmly faith
The childJesus isa humanexample
Not human evil
And believed that the evil it review these words that say in Christmas
Glory to God in the highest and peace on Earth
Are therethe most beautifulof these words
Toopenthenew yearleaveyouspeechless
6. skates and Santa Claus is a modern tradition
The image of Christ
Even eating and drinking is the joy and suitable for social solidarity and fraternity among parents and among people
I don't knowwherethe evil inthis
I ask you toreadthe wordsof the Gospel
And the good hope to human beings
Peace for human beings
Thiswas the beginning ofthe message tothat child
Babycave
Is an example ofhumanity
Inhermessageof love

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

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So I took the other churches of the tradition or religious tradition
But the ancient Eastern churches to know the Catholic faith it retained in original Eastern calendar
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So the difference is a difference in perception of the symbolism of Catholicism
Because a section of the Eastern Church, converted to the Catholic faith
They followed this but the original is 6 January
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[Ingledsva]

Hallmark??



I still put up a tree. But I decorate mine with tinsel and pine cones, and little shiny baubles. But I also celebrate Yule personally, and only celebrate "Christmas" with family, as everyone else is Christian.

Same here. I like my tree. I put up red berries and apples, tinsel, pine cones (sometimes dusted white to represent the snow,) feathers that I find, lights representing Winter Solstice and the return of the sun, woven symbols from my ancestors, etc. My mother made me a tree topper that I love. She represents my ancestors, and is dressed in a white gown with a red ribbon, and has a green wreath with holly and berries on her golden hair.

Edit - Forgot to add, - I sometimes add antlers to the tree. They look great sticking out of the Greenery.

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[Ingledsva]

Yah-whatis this-.-
Christmas-evil--well, comewith me untilwe discoverthat evilnextto youat Christmas..
1. the text of the Gospel tells us how we celebrate at Christmas
2. celebrate at Christmas is a tradition of the Church and ecclesiastical rituals
3-axis alakhtfal at Christmas
Isthe word
Glory to God in the highest and peace on Earth
People in joy and good hope to human beings
4. in this wicked or evil leave you speechless
5. in the alakhtfal at Christmas and codes used therein
It's allan invention ofthe Church
She believes that the joy that is firmly faith
The childJesus isa humanexample
Not human evil
And believed that the evil it review these words that say in Christmas
Glory to God in the highest and peace on Earth
Are therethe most beautifulof these words
Toopenthenew yearleaveyouspeechless
6. skates and Santa Claus is a modern tradition
The image of Christ

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Even eating and drinking is the joy and suitable for social solidarity and fraternity among parents and among people
I don't knowwherethe evil inthis
I ask you toreadthe wordsof the Gospel
And the good hope to human beings
Peace for human beings
Thiswas the beginning ofthe message tothat child
Babycave
Is an example ofhumanity
Inhermessageof love

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Dude, obviously you don't recognize humor!

Fruit cakes are AWFUL, traditional, thick cakes, cooked around Yule/Christmas.
Generally speaking, they are so bad, that it has become tradition around here, to re-gift them, year after year, at the ugly Yule/Christmas sweater parties. Some that I have seen are fifteen years old. LOL!


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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

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Dude, obviously you don't recognize humor!

Fruit cakes are AWFUL, traditional, thick cakes, cooked around Yule/Christmas.
Generally speaking, they are so bad, that it has become tradition around here, to re-gift them, year after year, at the ugly Yule/Christmas sweater parties. Some that I have seen are fifteen years old. LOL!


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It has become a traditional event
Tradition becameonly
I agree with youonthis

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

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And good hope to human beings
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Christmas is to give and make
Happy we kristmas birthday
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The idea of
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And sells gifts bearing the words Holly de only
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Some make birth blank of its meanings
Greetings

 

[McBell]

YesChristmasis nowdevoid oftrue meaning

Says who?
If you are incapable of finding meaning in Christmas, well, that is your loss.
The fact of the matter is that there are loads of people who find meaning in Christmas.
It just might not be the same meaning you think Christmas should have.

It has become a traditional event

People find meaning in traditions.
Some even start their own traditions in order to give Christmas even more meaning.

 

[sojourner]

Says who?
If you are incapable of finding meaning in Christmas, well, that is your loss.
The fact of the matter is that there are loads of people who find meaning in Christmas.
It just might not be the same meaning you think Christmas should have.


People find meaning in traditions.
Some even start their own traditions in order to give Christmas even more meaning.

And I'd like to think that most sane Xtians would make room for meaning other than simply "Jesus is the Reason for the Season." For Xtians, Christmas is about the birth of Jesus, the coming of peace and reconciliation, and God becoming one of us. But there's room to validate other meanings, as well -- it's all part of the human experience of celebration.

 

[McBell]

And I'd like to think that most sane Xtians would make room for meaning other than simply "Jesus is the Reason for the Season." For Xtians, Christmas is about the birth of Jesus, the coming of peace and reconciliation, and God becoming one of us. But there's room to validate other meanings, as well -- it's all part of the human experience of celebration.

My experience has been that people tend to see Christmas as a reason to spend time with friends, family, and loved ones.
Yes there are those who fret over gifts.
Yes there are those who fret over Christmas dinner.
Yes there are those who fret over how religious Christmas is for themselves and others.
Yes there are those who fret over how much Jesus is or is not in Christmas.
But my experience has shown that even those who fret over petty things concerning Christmas still tend to spend time with friends, family, and loved ones.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Says who?
If you are incapable of finding meaning in Christmas, well, that is your loss.
The fact of the matter is that there are loads of people who find meaning in Christmas.
It just might not be the same meaning you think Christmas should have.


People find meaning in traditions.
Some even start their own traditions in order to give Christmas even more meaning.

Christmasfastmeansthesesimple words
As for other meanings such as eating, joy and gifts children are alttazrat and accumulation of ecclesiastical tradition
In the ChurchI belong to
WasChristmasstartsat5 a.m.
And some tree branches are burned in the courtyard of the Church
Candles in our hands
Repeatthese words
But in the diaspora
Our Churchhas abandonedthistradition
Another tradition exercised
So traditions and practices are different from birth to another
This is not however
Ifthe original meaningis presentamong those whocelebratethebirth of Christ

 

[McBell]

Christmasfastmeansthesesimple words
As for other meanings such as eating, joy and gifts children are alttazrat and accumulation of ecclesiastical tradition
In the ChurchI belong to
WasChristmasstartsat5 a.m.
And some tree branches are burned in the courtyard of the Church
Candles in our hands
Repeatthese words
But in the diaspora
Our Churchhas abandonedthistradition
Another tradition exercised
So traditions and practices are different from birth to another
This is not however
Ifthe original meaningis presentamong those whocelebratethebirth of Christ

To you perhaps.
But the fact is Christmas means different things to different people.
If someone has a different meaning for Christmas then you have, so what?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

To you perhaps.
But the fact is Christmas means different things to different people.
If someone has a different meaning for Christmas then you have, so what?

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I respect what they believe too
But also have the freedom to discuss
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These fonts are common to those who do not believe in Christmas
But the most important meanings of every thing
When he publishedthe idea of love between people

 

[InChrist]

I love rejoicing and celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ and from the research I've done I believe it is very possible He could have been born in December...

Speculation as to the time of Jesus’ birth dates back to the 3rd century, when Hyppolytus (ca. 170-236) claimed that Jesus was born on December 25. The earliest mention of some sort of observance on that date is in the Philoclian Calendar, representing Roman practice, of the year 336. Later, John Chrysostom favored the same date of birth. Cyril of Jerusalem (348-386) had access to the original Roman birth census, which also documented that Jesus was born on the 25th of December. The date eventually became the officially recognized date for Christmas in part because it coincided with the pagan festivals celebrating Saturnalia and the winter solstice. The church thereby offered people a Christian alternative to the pagan festivities and eventually reinterpreted many of their symbols and actions in ways acceptable to Christian faith and practice.

December 25 has become more and more acceptable as the birth date of Jesus. However, some argue that the birth occurred in some other season, such as in the fall. Followers of this theory claim that the Judean winters were too cold for shepherds to be watching their flocks by night. History proves otherwise, however, and we have historical evidence that unblemished lambs for the Temple sacrifice were in fact kept in the fields near Bethlehem during the winter months.

Read more: Was Jesus born on December 25? Is December 25 Jesus' birthday?

 

[Christ's Prophet]

An idea from another thread, does Xmas have anything to do with Christ?

Just vote and comment if you want.

Christmas is one of man's inventions. Christ gave no instruction for such an occasion to be celebrated. I think people looked at the cuddly Christ child and thought that was a good idea. It made people feel good, and not threatened by a little child. Since then Santa has high jacked the idea and it has become a financial bonanza in the turnover of billions of dollars. I find it interesting if you get the name Santa and re-arrange the letters, you get 'Satan', the god of death and materialism, who is a murderer and a liar from the beginning. Christmas has become a season to celebrate materialism and all the treasures of this world and to keep our eyes off the treasures of Heaven. But in reality, Christ did give some instruction to celebrate Easter, when He said with the cup and the bread, 'Do this in remembrance of Me.' We should be able to celebrate Christ every day and love Him who is our Creator who loved us so much that He gave Himself for us, if only people would listen.
Christ's Prophet
Certainty for Eternity

 

[ChristineES]

Santa, Satan? Santa is simply the Latin word for "saint". I wouldn't put too much stock into the letters used.

 

[Bunyip]

I love rejoicing and celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ and from the research I've done I believe it is very possible He could have been born in December...

Speculation as to the time of Jesus’ birth dates back to the 3rd century, when Hyppolytus (ca. 170-236) claimed that Jesus was born on December 25. The earliest mention of some sort of observance on that date is in the Philoclian Calendar, representing Roman practice, of the year 336. Later, John Chrysostom favored the same date of birth. Cyril of Jerusalem (348-386) had access to the original Roman birth census, which also documented that Jesus was born on the 25th of December. The date eventually became the officially recognized date for Christmas in part because it coincided with the pagan festivals celebrating Saturnalia and the winter solstice. The church thereby offered people a Christian alternative to the pagan festivities and eventually reinterpreted many of their symbols and actions in ways acceptable to Christian faith and practice.

December 25 has become more and more acceptable as the birth date of Jesus. However, some argue that the birth occurred in some other season, such as in the fall. Followers of this theory claim that the Judean winters were too cold for shepherds to be watching their flocks by night. History proves otherwise, however, and we have historical evidence that unblemished lambs for the Temple sacrifice were in fact kept in the fields near Bethlehem during the winter months.

Read more: Was Jesus born on December 25? Is December 25 Jesus' birthday?

It is just a convention, we do not know what year Jesus was born, let alone the day.

 

[Ingledsva]

Christmas is one of man's inventions. Christ gave no instruction for such an occasion to be celebrated. I think people looked at the cuddly Christ child and thought that was a good idea. It made people feel good, and not threatened by a little child. Since then Santa has high jacked the idea and it has become a financial bonanza in the turnover of billions of dollars. I find it interesting if you get the name Santa and re-arrange the letters, you get 'Satan', the god of death and materialism, who is a murderer and a liar from the beginning. Christmas has become a season to celebrate materialism and all the treasures of this world and to keep our eyes off the treasures of Heaven. But in reality, Christ did give some instruction to celebrate Easter, when He said with the cup and the bread, 'Do this in remembrance of Me.' We should be able to celebrate Christ every day and love Him who is our Creator who loved us so much that He gave Himself for us, if only people would listen.
Christ's Prophet
Certainty for Eternity

Actually he was celebrating Passover when he did this, and said to commemorate him, not Easter.

He is supposed to be the Pascal Lamb.

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[McBell]

Christmas is one of man's inventions.

Obviously.

Christ gave no instruction for such an occasion to be celebrated.

I am seeing your computer meets the same criteria thus far...

Since then Santa has high jacked the idea...

Santa another man made invention, did not hijack anything.
People make Christmas what they wont of it.

OASN:
what difference does it make seeing as Christmas is a man made invention that Jesus never gave instruction about?

... and it has become a financial bonanza in the turnover of billions of dollars.

has become...?

I find it interesting if you get the name Santa and re-arrange the letters, you get 'Satan', the god of death and materialism, who is a murderer and a liar from the beginning.

Ah, so you are a polytheist then?

Christmas has become a season to celebrate materialism and all the treasures of this world and to keep our eyes off the treasures of Heaven.

Only if you let it.

But in reality, Christ did give some instruction to celebrate Easter, when He said with the cup and the bread, 'Do this in remembrance of Me.' We should be able to celebrate Christ every day and love Him who is our Creator who loved us so much that He gave Himself for us, if only people would listen.
Christ's Prophet
Certainty for Eternity

Nice ending for a sermon.
Kudos

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Christmas is one of man's inventions. Christ gave no instruction for such an occasion to be celebrated. I think people looked at the cuddly Christ child and thought that was a good idea. It made people feel good, and not threatened by a little child. Since then Santa has high jacked the idea and it has become a financial bonanza in the turnover of billions of dollars. I find it interesting if you get the name Santa and re-arrange the letters, you get 'Satan', the god of death and materialism, who is a murderer and a liar from the beginning. Christmas has become a season to celebrate materialism and all the treasures of this world and to keep our eyes off the treasures of Heaven. But in reality, Christ did give some instruction to celebrate Easter, when He said with the cup and the bread, 'Do this in remembrance of Me.' We should be able to celebrate Christ every day and love Him who is our Creator who loved us so much that He gave Himself for us, if only people would listen.
Christ's Prophet
Certainty for Eternity

Not disagreeing with you
I've entered the Christmas traditions of many cultures and many different peoples who converted to Christianity
The word San is Saint and not interested in rearranging
Because if we did this with all of the words, the result will be awesome also
I think it'sa personalinterpretation
If the birth to joy
They are beautiful
Christianity is a joy and peace
And always happy to believe that peace is in it too
And who wants to spend and trade
This personal freedoms
Christianity did not say you have to buy a Christmas tree
If you purchase will not enter paradise
I think that spending and extravagance of personal freedoms