McBell
Unbound
So they are celebrating things even if they know nothing about them?
One wonders if your god is as big a prude as you make him out to be.
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Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?
- Thread starter Desert Snake
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One wonders if your god is as big a prude as you make him out to be.
McBell
Unbound
I am not one to take the belief that every single claim made by someone is true or accurate.Why not, lots of Christians claim that atheists can't celebrate Christmas because they're inherently celebrating Christianity at the same time.
For example, merely because a few members want us to believe that the celebration of Christmas equals the celebration of every single thing ever celebrated at that same time of year does not make the claim true.
Is the burning of small candles called votive candles against the rules for a very fine Christian?
intended to be burnt as a votive offering in an act of Christian prayer, especially within the Anglican and Roman Catholic Christian denominations, among others.
intended to be burnt as a votive offering in an act of Christian prayer, especially within the Anglican and Roman Catholic Christian denominations, among others.
rrosskopf
LDS High Priest
We use Santa Claus to conceal our gift giving. I think giving anonymous gifts is very Christian. I don't have any delusion that Christ was born in December, but I don't think it matters much when we celebrate his birth. Christmas is a wonderful opportunity to teach our children about charity.
And the Crucifix and Nativity Scene to teach Idolatry ??
MikeSavage
Active Member
Helping others is a Christian requirement, but celebrating birthdays is wholly pagan in origin. Jesus said to ignore his birth day, but he told the annointed (only) to memorialize the day of his death. There is nothing good about celebrating a 12 day holiday beginning on December 25th, because that is exactly when the 12 day Saturna begins, a pagan celebration. Pagandom and Christianity were merged to form Christendom, which later became Roman Catholic, a half pagan, half Christian religion of apostates designed to lure pagans to it, by Constantine.
MikeSavage
Active Member
Yep, they are both idols, and involve idolatry and pagandom.
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
No most Christians, if any, don't worship nativity scenes and the Crucifix as if it is a god itself. They use them as reminders of God. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Gosh, perhaps read the Commandment ....
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:
First clear message, Do not make the Graven Image, or likeness of any thing !
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:
First clear message, Do not make the Graven Image, or likeness of any thing !
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
Sorry, you must note the colon at the end of verse 4. That means that the later part, that is verse 5, after the colon, is a straightening up and clarification of verse 4.
a colon
is a punctuation mark : used chiefly to direct attention to matter (as a list, explanation, quotation, or amplification) that follows.Colon - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
What these two verses are saying is that you shall not make unto yourself any graven image, or any likeness (of any thing) that (is) in heaven above, or that (is) in the earth beneath, or that (is) in the water under the earth for the purposes of bowing down thyself to them or serving them.
Punctuation in grammar is important.
No such grammar in the Hebrew... just you Xians who insert your own excuses to disobey
G-d.
G-d.
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
Well, excuse me for not being a Hebrew. I will investigate what you said. I'm certainly not going to take your word for it. If I am wrong, I will admit it.
Fair enough, and good for you that you will investigate
and please no need to admit wrong , we are all a little biased, believing as we are taught.
Shalom ( Peace )
and please no need to admit wrong , we are all a little biased, believing as we are taught.
Shalom ( Peace )
MikeSavage
Active Member
According to scripture, using ANYTHING as an aid to worship is idolatry and is a HUGE sin according to God the Almighty.
I love Charlie Brown.
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
As it turns out folks, it looks like I might be wrong.
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9881/jewish/Chapter-20.htm
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
Yeah, it looks like I was wrong about the punctuation thingy. I'm going to have to agree. Wow, I better learn Hebrew.
If Charlie Brown was a real kid he'd be a good kid but not according to some people. According to them he is an enemy of God.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Just because one is ignorant of a thing hardly nullifies the existence of that thing.
I'm not sure what you mean. I don't believe in gods or the supernatural.
How realist of you.