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Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?

Does Xmas (Christmas) have anything to do with Christ?

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MikeSavage

Active Member
Mestemia said:
no mind reading required.
you clearly are dictating to me my beliefs and feeling in post #1523.
Your denial is merely frosting on the entertainment cake.
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Listing your traits isn't dictating. Look up the definition. Oh, and congratulations, you've made it to yet another person's ignore list.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
disciple said:
If we theoretically assume a 'pagan' holiday that is being celebrated, unless literal idol worship can be proven, then there is no unclean thing being worshipped. It just becomes a secular holiday, in the modern sense.
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That's some blistful ignoance...to assume celebrating Chrsitmas isn't celebration of pagan holidays, rituals and customs....
 
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MikeSavage

Active Member
disciple said:
If we theoretically assume a 'pagan' holiday that is being celebrated, unless literal idol worship can be proven, then there is no unclean thing being worshipped. It just becomes a secular holiday, in the modern sense.
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No penguin. Christmas celebrations are ALL pagan in origin, and the modern form of Christmas is a creation of Macy's. All things pagan, in any way, are unclean as far as God is concerned. He did tell us to "stop touching the unclean thing". Your rationalization is nothing more than unclean in God's eyes also. To receive His blessings, you would have to stop both Christmas, and rationalizing about it. Probably a lot more in your life also.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Dirty Penguin said:
That's some blistful ignoance...to assume celebrating Chrsitmas isn't celebration of pagan holidays, rituals and customs....
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What are you talking about?

Is it your claim that noone can celebrate Christmas without also celebrating the pagan holidays that fall at the same time?
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
MikeSavage said:
No penguin. Christmas celebrations are ALL pagan in origin, and the modern form of Christmas is a creation of Macy's. All things pagan, in any way, are unclean as far as God is concerned. He did tell us to "stop touching the unclean thing". Your rationalization is nothing more than unclean in God's eyes also. To receive His blessings, you would have to stop both Christmas, and rationalizing about it. Probably a lot more in your life also.
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To bad for your argument that people have many different ways to celebrate Christmas.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Dirty Penguin said:
That's some blistful ignoance...to assume celebrating Chrsitmas isn't celebration of pagan holidays, rituals and customs....
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?? This makes absolutely no sense. There are pre-Christian symbols and traditions that I would, like many others, celebrate, but this doesn't mean that..
-Christmas isn't about Christ
-Christ is not part of those holidays
-Christ was not the catalyst of the celebration for most people (most people don't celebrate Yule).
The symbols are idols or being worshipped.
// Xmas tree
For most people celebrating Xmas, using an Xmas tree, this has no 'pagan' significance.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
MikeSavage said:
No penguin. Christmas celebrations are ALL pagan in origin, and the modern form of Christmas is a creation of Macy's. All things pagan, in any way, are unclean as far as God is concerned. He did tell us to "stop touching the unclean thing". Your rationalization is nothing more than unclean in God's eyes also. To receive His blessings, you would have to stop both Christmas, and rationalizing about it. Probably a lot more in your life also.
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I don't consider my traditional symbols to be unclean. That's why I celebrate the holidays utilizing all my traditional imagry, original "pagan" meaning aside, it's simply not 'wrong'.
 
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MikeSavage

Active Member
disciple said:
I don't consider my traditional symbols to be unclean. That's why I celebrate the holidays utilizing all my traditional imagry, original "pagan" meaning aside, it's simply not 'wrong'.
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In your understanding maybe it's not wrong. In the eyes of the one to whom it counts, God the almighty, it is wrong.
 
savagewind

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
MikeSavage said:
In your understanding maybe it's not wrong. In the eyes of the one to whom it counts, God the almighty, it is wrong.
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I understand the right way to preach the good news is after the fashion of God's son, Jesus Christ. I don't remember he ever said "God says", "God knows" , "God thinks", "God will judge". He always said "it is written". Maybe I am wrong. I shall read the gospels again strait through soon to see if he ever taught like you teach. Anyway, thanks for trying. I shall stick with the great teacher which isn't The Watchtower fyi.
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Mestemia said:
What are you talking about?

Is it your claim that noone can celebrate Christmas without also celebrating the pagan holidays that fall at the same time?
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I agree with you Mestemia. Some people celebrate Christmas without even knowing that pagan holidays exist. I think in order to be actually celebrating something, you actually have to know that it exists. In order to celebrate or in other words to observe a holy day, one must actually observe that day as holy, and I find it quite absurd to consider someone observing something that in fact they never have observed.
 
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