Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?

[Sihopopa]

It does say that we are to engage in or to touch NOTHING pagan. .... The world does pagan things, but that is no reason to ignore our sovereign and do what the world does, is it? .... When it proves that one does not take in accurate knowledge of God every day. The two keys there are ACCURATE and DAILY.

Whilst you suggest the scriptures say "we are to engage in or to touch NOTHING pagan" - with which I have no problem, yet how can you be sure your interpretation of scripture is ACCURATE? You may very well be taking in (and trusting and teaching) inaccurate knowledge daily.

For instance, if we are to avoid (not to touch) pagan, why are you still mixing/confusing Hebrew understanding with pagan?

 

[McBell]

Christmas has NOTHING to do with Jesus, the messiah. Nothing whatsoever.

You're projecting again.

It is false religion that teaches that it does. Nowhere in the inspired word of God are we told to perform such pagan rituals. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that Jesus was born in December, on a date corresponding to Saturna. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that we are to celebrate anyone's birth anniversary. It DOES say that the day of one's birth is unimportant. It DOES say that the day of one's death IS important. It does say that we are to engage in or to touch NOTHING pagan. Birthday celebrations ARE pagan. Everything in the scriptures that is not a command, is an indication of the principles of God, our creator and sovereign ruler. The scriptures also say to "be no part of the world" or it's desires. The world does pagan things, but that is no reason to ignore our sovereign and do what the world does, is it? When it means missing the mark, or sinning. When it means displeasing God the Almighty. When it proves that one does not take in accurate knowledge of God every day. The two keys there are ACCURATE and DAILY.

blah blah blah
your sermons are sounding more and more like emotional rants.

 

[Sihopopa]

Nor is that the only principle of our creator to consider.

I basically agree with you, so can you please now define/explain this ... "our creator", in order that our considerations be directed in the most principled direction?

It seems important that we get this right, after all.

 

[MikeSavage]

hypocrite much?

Nope. Never.

 

[sincerly]

The ones that just want to argue,be rude or say bad things,I immediately put those on my ignore list.Those who attempt to use scripture to prove their point and are incorrect are the ones I attempt to show what the holy scriptures really says.This is how I get others interested.They approach me in private messages and tell me what they think and how they liked the comment because it reflects truth.Just like with X-mas.When they find out the truth, it really makes them think.I try to keep it interesting so they enjoy themselves and hear things they have not really heard before

.Like that there are not really 3 wise men mentioned at Matthew 2.They assume there is but when I show them it says Magi and no number is mentioned,it gets their attention

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Bible S, That underlined portion of your post is what I want to address.
It has relevance to the Birth of Jesus Christ, but not to the day.

"Magi" isn't found in the KJV---the Greek word magos is translated wise men. Now many---right no specific number is given. However, "they" reflects more than one. The narrative gives a lot of information. and the place they came from was the "East". This Greek word had usage in these places as the concordance attests:
""a magus

1. the name given by the Babylonians (Chaldeans), Medes, Persians, and others, to the wise men, teachers, priests, physicians, astrologers, seers, interpreters of dreams, augers, soothsayers, sorcerers etc.
   

2. the oriental wise men (astrologers) who, having discovered by the rising of a remarkable star that the Messiah had just been born, came to Jerusalem to worship him"".

Prophetically, Daniel 9:25, reads, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Nebuchadnazzer had sent out letters to the whole of the Babylonian Empire that the GOD of Daniel (and later the three worthies) was the true GOD. Therefore, these "wisemen"/astrologers were aware of the event and followed the star.
"Does seek and you shall find" ring a bell? Was Herod's response to the prophesied rejection of the Messiah just the beginning of the national rejection?
However, one evidence to three persons is Matt.2:11. "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh".
That is three.

 

[Nada]

Bible S, That underlined portion of your post is what I want to address.
It has relevance to the Birth of Jesus Christ, but not to the day.

"Magi" isn't found in the KJV---the Greek word magos is translated wise men. Now many---right no specific number is given. However, "they" reflects more than one. The narrative gives a lot of information. and the place they came from was the "East". This Greek word had usage in these places as the concordance attests:
""a magus

1. the name given by the Babylonians (Chaldeans), Medes, Persians, and others, to the wise men, teachers, priests, physicians, astrologers, seers, interpreters of dreams, augers, soothsayers, sorcerers etc.

2. the oriental wise men (astrologers) who, having discovered by the rising of a remarkable star that the Messiah had just been born, came to Jerusalem to worship him"".

Prophetically, Daniel 9:25, reads, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Nebuchadnazzer had sent out letters to the whole of the Babylonian Empire that the GOD of Daniel (and later the three worthies) was the true GOD. Therefore, these "wisemen"/astrologers were aware of the event and followed the star.
"Does seek and you shall find" ring a bell? Was Herod's response to the prophesied rejection of the Messiah just the beginning of the national rejection?
However, one evidence to three persons is Matt.2:11. "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh".
That is three.

I am not arguing the fact that Magi and wise men are not meaning the same thing.My issue is with people thinking there were three of them.It never says there were three of them.Yes,Magi means there were more than one, but just because there were three gifts given does not mean there were three wise men(Magi).READ THIS

"The number of Magi is not mentioned in the Bible record. Nevertheless, Nativity scenes and Christmas songs espouse the commonly held tradition that there were three. Evidently this springs from the fact that there were three types of gifts. Regarding these, the Bible says: “They also opened their treasures and presented [Jesus] with gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.”—Matthew 2:11.

Is it sound reasoning to conclude that since the Magi gave three different gifts, there must have been three Magi? Let us consider the account of another notable visitor to Israel. The queen of Sheba once visited King Solomon and presented him with “balsam oil and very much gold and precious stones.” (1 Kings 10:2) Although three different kinds of gifts are spoken of, the only person mentioned as giving them is the queen of Sheba. The number of her presents does not indicate that three people approached Solomon on that occasion. Similarly, the three gifts made to Jesus have little to do with the number of people who brought them.

The Catholic Encyclopedia notes: “The Gospel narrative omits to mention the number of the Magi, and there is no certain tradition in this matter. Some Fathers speak of three Magi; they are very likely influenced by the number of gifts.” It goes on to mention that various works of art show two, three, four, and even eight visiting Jesus. Some traditions favor up to 12. There is simply no way to verify the number of the Magi."

from "Were There Three?"
WOL

 

[Andywelikandy]

An idea from another thread, does Xmas have anything to do with Christ?

Just vote and comment if you want.

First of all it should never be called X-mas. Why? Because it takes Jesus Christ out of the equation.
Second, there is nothing named Christmas in the Holy Scriptures of the Bible, remembering that the Whole Bible IS Holy Scripture!
Jesus Christ never talked about remembering Him by any memorial except two items used in ONE event: (1) the Holy Body of His, represented by Unleavened Bread to be broken (as His Body was "broken"), distributed among those who have gathered as an assembly to remember His death on the Cross by the shedding of His Innocent Blood and the bread eaten, and (2) the Holy Sinless Blood that He shed while dying on the Cross remembered in the form of Red Wine to be also distributed and drunk in the Assembly.

Here they are:
Luke 22:19Common English Bible (CEB)
19 After taking the bread and giving thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”

20 Likewise also (in the very same manner as above) the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you ["Do this in remembrance of me.”].

Nowhere else in the Bible is there a memorial to be instituted to remember the "works" of the Lord Jesus Christ.

So then how did christmas trees arrive in church history? Pl. visit this site: Origin of Christmas | The history of Christmas and how it began

 

[Nada]

Bible S, That underlined portion of your post is what I want to address.
It has relevance to the Birth of Jesus Christ, but not to the day.

"Magi" isn't found in the KJV---the Greek word magos is translated wise men. Now many---right no specific number is given. However, "they" reflects more than one. The narrative gives a lot of information. and the place they came from was the "East". This Greek word had usage in these places as the concordance attests:
""a magus

1. the name given by the Babylonians (Chaldeans), Medes, Persians, and others, to the wise men, teachers, priests, physicians, astrologers, seers, interpreters of dreams, augers, soothsayers, sorcerers etc.

2. the oriental wise men (astrologers) who, having discovered by the rising of a remarkable star that the Messiah had just been born, came to Jerusalem to worship him"".

Prophetically, Daniel 9:25, reads, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Nebuchadnazzer had sent out letters to the whole of the Babylonian Empire that the GOD of Daniel (and later the three worthies) was the true GOD. Therefore, these "wisemen"/astrologers were aware of the event and followed the star.
"Does seek and you shall find" ring a bell? Was Herod's response to the prophesied rejection of the Messiah just the beginning of the national rejection?
However, one evidence to three persons is Matt.2:11. "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh".
That is three.

Magi comes from the word Magians.These are wise men,astrologers.
GREEK INTERLINEAR

Matthew 2 Interlinear Bible

Greek Concordance: μάγοι (magoi) -- 1 Occurrence

 

[Nada]

Bible S, That underlined portion of your post is what I want to address.
It has relevance to the Birth of Jesus Christ, but not to the day.

"Magi" isn't found in the KJV---the Greek word magos is translated wise men. Now many---right no specific number is given. However, "they" reflects more than one. The narrative gives a lot of information. and the place they came from was the "East". This Greek word had usage in these places as the concordance attests:
""a magus

1. the name given by the Babylonians (Chaldeans), Medes, Persians, and others, to the wise men, teachers, priests, physicians, astrologers, seers, interpreters of dreams, augers, soothsayers, sorcerers etc.

2. the oriental wise men (astrologers) who, having discovered by the rising of a remarkable star that the Messiah had just been born, came to Jerusalem to worship him"".

Prophetically, Daniel 9:25, reads, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Nebuchadnazzer had sent out letters to the whole of the Babylonian Empire that the GOD of Daniel (and later the three worthies) was the true GOD. Therefore, these "wisemen"/astrologers were aware of the event and followed the star.
"Does seek and you shall find" ring a bell? Was Herod's response to the prophesied rejection of the Messiah just the beginning of the national rejection?
However, one evidence to three persons is Matt.2:11. "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh".
That is three.

Another thing I want to point out.It was not God that commanded these Magi to follow that star to where Jesus was.Why would God send astrologers to His son? These men were pagans.These men were taught in the dark arts that come from Babylon.These are not God's people.Yes these men were going with gifts but it was not God who sent them.This star led these men to King Herod who wanted to kill Jesus.The star stopped there.Herod told these Magi that when they find Jesus they are to tell him where Jesus is.Herod had plans to kill Jesus for he knew about the prophecy.It was not until the Magi found Jesus that they received divine warning in a dream.Matthew 2:9

Notice too that the star that led them to Jerusalem,King Herod's palace,stopped there and then continued leading them to where Jesus was.Who do you think it was using the star to lead them?It was not God.Once the Magi received divine warning, and knew Herod's intensions,this is when the Magi went home by way of another route to avoid Herod.

 

[Nada]

Bible S, That underlined portion of your post is what I want to address.
It has relevance to the Birth of Jesus Christ, but not to the day.

"Magi" isn't found in the KJV---the Greek word magos is translated wise men. Now many---right no specific number is given. However, "they" reflects more than one. The narrative gives a lot of information. and the place they came from was the "East". This Greek word had usage in these places as the concordance attests:
""a magus

1. the name given by the Babylonians (Chaldeans), Medes, Persians, and others, to the wise men, teachers, priests, physicians, astrologers, seers, interpreters of dreams, augers, soothsayers, sorcerers etc.

2. the oriental wise men (astrologers) who, having discovered by the rising of a remarkable star that the Messiah had just been born, came to Jerusalem to worship him"".

Prophetically, Daniel 9:25, reads, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Nebuchadnazzer had sent out letters to the whole of the Babylonian Empire that the GOD of Daniel (and later the three worthies) was the true GOD. Therefore, these "wisemen"/astrologers were aware of the event and followed the star.
"Does seek and you shall find" ring a bell? Was Herod's response to the prophesied rejection of the Messiah just the beginning of the national rejection?
However, one evidence to three persons is Matt.2:11. "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh".
That is three.

Also,many think that the Magi were present when Jesus was born.This is not true.Sometimes you will see in nativity scenes where the shepherds and the Magi are both present.This does not agree with the facts presented in the holy scriptures.These Magi came from the far east.This trip was done most likely by camel.Caravan.This trip would have taken a long time.If you read Matthew 2:7 it says,Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared.

So,we can clearly see that it was some time from the time the Magi saw the star to the time they arrived.If you notice,it is in Luke 2 that it speaks of Jesus being born.He was a newborn.In Matthew 2 ,where it speaks of the Magi,when the Magi find Jesus,he is already a child with his mother in a house.He was in a house,not a manger.So some time had already past by the time the Magi arrived and found Jesus.Many do not even pay attention to this.It was like 15 months since the nativity scene.The family had already established themselves and had a house.

Matthew 2:11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh

 

[Ingledsva]

Bible S, That underlined portion of your post is what I want to address.
It has relevance to the Birth of Jesus Christ, but not to the day.

"Magi" isn't found in the KJV---the Greek word magos is translated wise men. Now many---right no specific number is given. However, "they" reflects more than one. The narrative gives a lot of information. and the place they came from was the "East". This Greek word had usage in these places as the concordance attests:
""a magus

1. the name given by the Babylonians (Chaldeans), Medes, Persians, and others, to the wise men, teachers, priests, physicians, astrologers, seers, interpreters of dreams, augers, soothsayers, sorcerers etc.

2. the oriental wise men (astrologers) who, having discovered by the rising of a remarkable star that the Messiah had just been born, came to Jerusalem to worship him"".

Prophetically, Daniel 9:25, reads, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Nebuchadnazzer had sent out letters to the whole of the Babylonian Empire that the GOD of Daniel (and later the three worthies) was the true GOD. Therefore, these "wisemen"/astrologers were aware of the event and followed the star.
"Does seek and you shall find" ring a bell? Was Herod's response to the prophesied rejection of the Messiah just the beginning of the national rejection?
However, one evidence to three persons is Matt.2:11. "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh".
That is three.

Stars don't direct people places.

Any spectacular sky event could have been studied right where they were.

There is no proof of Wise Men/Astrologers going to WORSHIP a foreign, possible myth, come to life.


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[Josh97]

The bible is universal in its nature, implying that its core tenets are applicable to all humans, in all places, in all times. However we can see through simply the variance from the old testament to the new that there are significant changes to the perception of God, from feared to loving. The fact is that God does not change, however the perception of humans who wrote the bible, of God, did. In saying this regardless of the ubiquitous nature of the Holy book, context heavily influences the text. In saying this, there is little room for literalism to sprout and make point.

In regard to the topic, it is undoubted that modern day Christmas has embodied more festivity, commercialism and secularist ideologies. Many children look forward to presents more that the birth of Christ. The blatant absence of Christ in an originally Christian celebration leads to this sort of conclusion that there has been a displacement of Christ within Christmas.

Nevertheless, as humans, endowed with free will, and interpretation, we are liable for the actions we perform. There is nothing wrong with celebrating Christmas in a paganistic fashion. The fact is, most Christians don't see this as a paganistic influenced ritual. And thats where man's own perception is important to consider. The rigidity of literalism leads to a failure to see truth in everything. Christmas is a time for celebration. To exchange gifts just as the wise men did, to rejoice just as Mary and Joseph did. Christmas is the celebration of Christ to those people that see it that way.

 

[Nada]

The bible is universal in its nature, implying that its core tenets are applicable to all humans, in all places, in all times. However we can see through simply the variance from the old testament to the new that there are significant changes to the perception of God, from feared to loving. The fact is that God does not change, however the perception of humans who wrote the bible, of God, did. In saying this regardless of the ubiquitous nature of the Holy book, context heavily influences the text. In saying this, there is little room for literalism to sprout and make point.

In regard to the topic, it is undoubted that modern day Christmas has embodied more festivity, commercialism and secularist ideologies. Many children look forward to presents more that the birth of Christ. The blatant absence of Christ in an originally Christian celebration leads to this sort of conclusion that there has been a displacement of Christ within Christmas.

Nevertheless, as humans, endowed with free will, and interpretation, we are liable for the actions we perform. There is nothing wrong with celebrating Christmas in a paganistic fashion. The fact is, most Christians don't see this as a paganistic influenced ritual. And thats where man's own perception is important to consider. The rigidity of literalism leads to a failure to see truth in everything. Christmas is a time for celebration. To exchange gifts just as the wise men did, to rejoice just as Mary and Joseph did. Christmas is the celebration of Christ to those people that see it that way.

Jesus was not born on dec 25th and it never mentions this in the holy scriptures.There is never any mention of celebrating Jesus' b-day anywhere in the HS by him,his parents nor his disciples.X-mas is pagan,and the Magi did not exchange gifts,they presented Jesus and his family with gifts.

 

[InChrist]

Here are some pictures of Jerusalem during december.Jesus was not born in december and his parents did not travel in the snow.

It is a myth that December in Israel is too cold for shepherds to be outdoors around Bethlehem tending their sheep or that travel would be inhibited. Large portions of Israel, especially the lower elevations are similar to California with a Mediterranean climate and temperatures around 40-60 degrees. The winter months are actually the season, as in California, when there is grass for grazing animals (except for the drought years lately in CA). The account of Jacob in Gen. 31;39-40 verifies this. It is during this mild winter weather that travel would be most logical for the required census when many families were not planting, tending, and harvesting their crops.

Snow is Israel occurs only at the higher elevations and even then, it does not snow every year in Jerusalem. So the photos you posted are not the usual winter conditions even in Jerusalem and definitely not around Bethlehem.

MYTH: Too cold for shepherds to Tend Flocks in December[/QUOTE]

 

[Andywelikandy]

Stars don't direct people places.

Any spectacular sky event could have been studied right where they were.

There is no proof of Wise Men/Astrologers going to WORSHIP a foreign, possible myth, come to life.


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There just one star that led a few astronomers to a baby. That was not any star. It was a special star that God Almighty provided at that particular period of time. I say it was a special star ( a bright light is a better name). In the Holy Scriptures in the Bible angels are named stars. The Light that led the Magi stopped over the house (not a manger) clearly showing the Magi where to look in order to see the baby. There is no way a normal star high up in the sky will ever pinpoint to a certain place on earth, even if it stopped moving. Try flying a helium balloon with a string attached to it, at about, say 500 feet above rooftops and see if you can locate a house with its position. You can't.

What I am saying is this: The "star" that led the Magi was a special angel carrying a bright light or he himself was a bright light that stopped over one particular house and this house had Mary and the baby Jesus. Btw angels are beings who are invisible to human beings. (Satan, an evil angel, has the ability to appear as a light. : 2nd Corinthians 11: 14 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." If evil Satan can transform into a light to do evil stuff, so can holy angels transform themselves to do "holy stuff."

Wise men DID go to worship the newborn babe. Otherwise why did they carry gifts worthy of being offered to only royalty?

Matthew 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? (my note: they looked for a royal baby) for we have seen his (my note: it was Baby Jesus' star) star in the east, and are come to worship him. (my note: they came to worship the royal baby).

3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.

4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, (my note: Prophet Mica predicted
6 " And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel. (my note: Mica 5:2: "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star [first] appeared.

8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

 

[Ingledsva]

There just one star that led a few astronomers to a baby. That was not any star. It was a special star that God Almighty provided at that particular period of time. I say it was a special star ( a bright light is a better name). In the Holy Scriptures in the Bible angels are named stars. The Light that led the Magi stopped over the house (not a manger) clearly showing the Magi where to look in order to see the baby. There is no way a normal star high up in the sky will ever pinpoint to a certain place on earth, even if it stopped moving. Try flying a helium balloon with a string attached to it, at about, say 500 feet above rooftops and see if you can locate a house with its position. You can't.

What I am saying is this: The "star" that led the Magi was a special angel carrying a bright light or he himself was a bright light that stopped over one particular house and this house had Mary and the baby Jesus. Btw angels are beings who are invisible to human beings. (Satan, an evil angel, has the ability to appear as a light. : 2nd Corinthians 11: 14 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." If evil Satan can transform into a light to do evil stuff, so can holy angels transform themselves to do "holy stuff."

Wise men DID go to worship the newborn babe. Otherwise why did they carry gifts worthy of being offered to only royalty?

Matthew 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? (my note: they looked for a royal baby) for we have seen his (my note: it was Baby Jesus' star) star in the east, and are come to worship him. (my note: they came to worship the royal baby).

3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.

4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, (my note: Prophet Mica predicted
6 " And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel. (my note: Mica 5:2: "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star [first] appeared.

8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

There is no proof for anything in this story. Also it specifically says a star.

Mat. 2:7 Then Herodes secretly called forth the Wise Men/Astrologers, to ascertain the vicinity of, and the time of, the first appearance/shinning of the star.


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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

1. the word Magi is the name of the religion of alrzradshtih
The Magi were followers ofZoroaster
It is possible that they are who know astrology
Note that the Persians left their religion Parsee afte r Christ
They were persecuted followers of Christianity in the Empire
2. novel birth of mobile novels

Who wrote the novel Christ Disciples of Christ
These were Jews who had Torah
In her travels, whic h talks about the birth of Christ
And these students wrote a novel of birth in the Gospel that took her from the Virgin Mary because she is the only witness to the birth of the Magi
Yes pupils who wrote theBible didn't watch the event
But when they follow Jesus have had reasons for this including any books of the Torah
If they doubt the words of Mary, they won't take and write those words
And if speech is not true
The early church was able to change the story
But it has not done and will never do
This is the truth of the Christian faith
Christ mas event
The intent is his message to humanity
Because that child is not history two thousand years ago
An d contin ue his impressive history to today
There fore, though I have no doubt the veracity of the novel
I don't doubt the greatness of the baby Jesus
So this factour faith
And who wants to prove the contrary
His intellectual freedom

 

[McBell]

First of all it should never be called X-mas. Why? Because it takes Jesus Christ out of the equation.

Utter ignorance.
And with the very first sentence of the post to boot...

 

[McBell]

Nope. Never.

Ah, denial in its most purest form.

 

[MikeSavage]

Utter ignorance.
And with the very first sentence of the post to boot...

Actually no. His post does not seem to show any ignorance. Yours does however. Christmas is an invented pagan religion adopted by Christendom (false Christian religions) to attract pagans to their false churches, to collect more money.