I hav not attemted to urge someone but there is a personality "YmirGF" who claims that NO ONE HAS EVER PROVE(n) THE (existence of) GOD!
And I dear Summia, stand by my point. No one, absolutely no one, to date has ever proven the existence of "god" regardless of the religion involved. Hence we are "stuck with" what is called "faith".
I asked him to discuss with me I can prove God because I believe in God!
That is a rather bold statement Summia. So you are again saying that you above all other mortals can prove the existence of God?
Then he replied, "I also believe in GOD but no one has ever proved God!"
I am slightly confused why anyone would need an explanation. My personal experiences proved themselves before my inner eyes. This experience is well beyond what some would term "Cosmic Consciousness" or "Samadhi" or "Moksha". I simply call it Framework 2 with the perception of physical reality being Framework 1. The kicker is that this state of awareness acts as a springboard to "meeting" entities from what we could logically call Framework 3. Suffice to say that in order to stay in Framework 3 one has to have a full working knowledge of Framework 1 and 2. Ditto for Framework 4 and beyond. These are arbitrary designations between "levels" of awareness as there are not really "levels" as in say a step ladder. Try to imagine a theoretical stepladder that allowed you to step up and go right or left, frontwards or backwards just as easily as you could just head "up". In essence, Reality is a melange of psychological gestalts, most of which have their basis in Being AS energy rather than how things are in our tiny world of flesh and bone.
Religious people might interpret traversing these "inner realms" as done via the Holy Spirit. I don't look at it that way. The easiest way to understand it is that these adventures are done via out-of-body experiences wherein one resolves reality without the confusion of the physical senses.
...how can a person believeing in God with(out) evidences and proofs!
But, my dear Summia, I didn't claim otherwise now did I. You really must pay more attention to the details of what I am trying to tell you. I have my evidence, first hand evidence at that and I require no further proofs. Most certainly not the timid, palid writings of man or his alleged "God". There is no scripture ANYWHERE that describes things the way I see reality. Imho, most views, from the oldest to the newest are practically the babble of small children who have little understanding of the topics they are discussing. My main point is Summia, I didn't need your books, the Jews books, the Christian's Books or any other books. I got my information from the Source.
Tell me, are you not commanded to have no intercessors? If that is true then why do you rely on the words of others? Riddle me that? The words of others act as intercessors in your mind and give you a preconceived ideal that you have simply accepted as Reality. Unfortunately that does not make those ideals REAL. It does however colour or tinge your reality to the measure of your belief. Here I am meaning it is like you are wearing thick glasses through which you cannot accurately discern reality because the glasses themselves have not been tailored to you (or anyone) who wears them but are more like "one size fits all" "off-the-shelf" solutions.
I am sorry to stress this point, but the stories you (and others) have read is not the "whole story" by any measure. The stories themselves are crafted in such a way that they will have a largest impact on a broad range of mentalities. They are also crafted to bind the masses in a particular mindset... as if in a common bond. However, since it comes from outside yourself the message automatically loses its meaning. In this case, external information (books and the words of others) overshadows internal information that flows through the individual relentlessly. At no moment is information NOT available to the individual, if they BELIEVE that it is within their grasp. You (and other religious types) might call this "revelation" but I would rather just call it what it is and that is "realization".
O Yeah! he aslo said what all the scriptures told about God are fake!
I don't believe I ever said they were fake but rather that true "divine inspiration" is sadly wanting. If the works of man were truly "divinely inspired" they would make a great deal more sense than they do.
Amazing ! And not only (does) he claim (these things) but (he) c(h)allenges me (to a debate!)
You may well consider my words to be blasphemy and yet knowing what is in YOUR TERMS "god" as I do, I understand that true blasphemy does not exists and that most religious people have simply been misled.
I also challenged you to a debate for a couple of reasons.
1. I know you cannot factually substantiate your claims.
2. I thought it might be helpful for you to converse with someone adept at English, in English. It is a small mercy, but heck, I have a million of 'em.
3. We both might learn something important from the other... although I admit I am at a loss as to what you could possibly tell me about the nature of God that I am as of yet unaware.
4. Our discussion might just show you that so-called infidels or kaffirs are not blind to what you would call "god". I am proud to call myself an infidel as it is beyond my imagination that I would ever in my wildest dreams adopt Islam as my so-called "faith". The reason being is that when you can already see something you do not have to have "faith" that it is in fact "There". You simply see what is in front of your "eyes"... and faith becomes meaningless.
5. At the end of the day, folks who stroll through this thread might find our interaction compelling and thought provoking.
I am sure there are a few more reasons but that is just off the top of my head.
I'm also surprised, why need of challenge?
Simply because I claim to have seen "god" already and I tell you I cannot prove IT exists. You are not likely to have seen personally what I have and yet you claim to be able to prove your points. Know that I am "locked and loaded" as it were and ready for anything you might feel a need to say. This should prove to be very entertaining, at least for a few days.
Does it make sense to come to blows with major religions and scriptures?
"Come to blows"? :flirt: Mon petite cheri I am not fighting against religion, I am fighting FOR understanding. Religion is excellent for breeding fear and false preconceptions but not terribly useful beyond a tool for quelling the masses into subservience.
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