Does God Exist?

[Vansdad]

No, it's not.


No, it doesn't.


Not really.

Nice reply.

 

[Vansdad]

it is unlikely a man made myth is real. in my opinion.



nature is not evidence a myth is real.



it points to no such thing and is a direct result of a lack of education

I don't see you coming up with anything here. It is very easy to just say no, but why not provide some evidence of how life was created from chemicals. I just don't see any evidence from you. And as a debate you provide nothing to support your strong stand that God is a myth. Opinion is not anything that is "likely".

 

[McBell]

I don't see you coming up with anything here. It is very easy to just say no, but why not provide some evidence of how life was created from chemicals. I just don't see any evidence from you. And as a debate you provide nothing to support your strong stand that God is a myth. Opinion is not anything that is "likely".

um..
what have you presented to show that god exists?
I mean other than circular reasoning?

 

[Vansdad]

um..
what have you presented to show that god exists?
I mean other than circular reasoning?

I've just listed a few things. What about the universe itself. So vast we cannot even full comprehend. We are a planet smaller than a grain of sand within a galaxy to which that galaxy is like a grain of sand. How did this get here. Always is not very logical. But a being capable of creating life could certainly have created this universe. And the physics that ties the universe in place is so exact here and even billions of light years away, from what we have been able to detect. From electromagnetic forces to gravity and all the atoms and molecules that hold it all together. It shows a uniform construction throughout. And more evidence that points to intelligent design and again points to one creator who created it to be all the same in the laws of physics. This to me and probably many others this is stronger evidence than it just appeared from nowhere. Let's hear yours.

 

[McBell]

I've just listed a few things. What about the universe itself. So vast we cannot even full comprehend. We are a planet smaller than a grain of sand within a galaxy to which that galaxy is like a grain of sand. How did this get here. Always is not very logical. But a being capable of creating life could certainly have created this universe. And the physics that ties the universe in place is so exact here and even billions of light years away, from what we have been able to detect. From electromagnetic forces to gravity and all the atoms and molecules that hold it all together. It shows a uniform construction throughout. And more evidence that points to intelligent design and again points to one creator who created it to be all the same in the laws of physics. This to me and probably many others this is stronger evidence than it just appeared from nowhere. Let's hear yours.

I see.
So who created God?

 

[outhouse]

I don't see you coming up with anything here. It is very easy to just say no, but why not provide some evidence of how life was created from chemicals. I just don't see any evidence from you. And as a debate you provide nothing to support your strong stand that God is a myth. Opinion is not anything that is "likely".

you need to understand evolution is not a myth like many religions.

when you look at how much life there is that has evolved, you will see its impossible to keep life down. Life wants to happen its natural.

i can take you back in time and show you the history in which the ancient jews stole to make genesis and how the jewish imagnation evolved into todays bible. I can show you how your bible was made and your god created. This is a matter of education. nothing more.

I can show you how life forms on this planet go back to time when there was only cyanobacteria.

abiogenesis didnt leave any fossils that we know of and because we cant give you details ofthe earth over 3 billion years ago you want to fall back on a myth and superstition based on early masn imagination and stolen storys told over campfires

 

[Vansdad]

I see.
So who created God?

How could we understand this if we cannot even know the true nature of God. If we knew the true nature of God we could then begin to understand where or how He became.

 

[Vansdad]

you need to understand evolution is not a myth like many religions.

when you look at how much life there is that has evolved, you will see its impossible to keep life down. Life wants to happen its natural.

But how did it all start. There's no denying that life evolves in some manner but how did it all start is the bigger question and from what.

i can take you back in time and show you the history in which the ancient jews stole to make genesis and how the jewish imagnation evolved into todays bible. I can show you how your bible was made and your god created. This is a matter of education. nothing more.

So show me. The litteral translation is an illustration for something none of us knows. But the belief is what inspired all of it.

I can show you how life forms on this planet go back to time when there was only cyanobacteria.

abiogenesis didnt leave any fossils that we know of and because we cant give you details ofthe earth over 3 billion years ago you want to fall back on a myth and superstition based on early masn imagination and stolen storys told over campfires

The campfire stories are an illustration because it is something no one knows. God is nature and He designed it to work the way it does within the natural laws of physics. But the truth remains that from some handful of chemicals life began. And from the complexity of life, it's most logical to see it's impossible for that to happen and evolve by random chance. It's not just the odds but it's like saying you can through a pile of steel together to make a building. If you throw it enough times all the pieces will land altogether in a building. But life is so much more complicated than a building and it is a logical thing to say a building will never get put together that way.

 

[McBell]

How could we understand this if we cannot even know the true nature of God. If we knew the true nature of God we could then begin to understand where or how He became.

Ah, so you then agree that because he is so complex and intelligent that he had to be created, right?

 

[McBell]

How could we understand this if we cannot even know the true nature of God. If we knew the true nature of God we could then begin to understand where or how He became.

If you do not know the "true" nature of god, how do you know that he is not pure evil?

 

[Dan4reason]

Of course it is likely He exists. And there are many things that even logically point in that direction. Of course no absolute proof but you don't seem to be saying this. One of the first things is life. Out of a few chemicals we exist as living beings. Who did this. The magical unicorn. I think not. This itself is strong evidence of God the Creator. There is no evidence for how life actually started and logically it makes more sence to belive a supreme being did it rather than it just happened or was just always there. Those arguements for how it all exists don't even make any logical sense. It actually sounds like hocus pocus to me. Is there even a logical explanation for life that does not involve a Creator such as God or His laws of nature? And when we think of the complexity of life it truly points to intelligent design which in turn points to God.

Even though I don't agree with the design argument, I do understand why it is so convincing to so many people. Even if it is true, it only proves a grand architect, and not the specific Hebrew God. There are so many religions and mythologies out there and Christianity is simply one of them. Even if one of the wild stories about invisible spirit beings, talking animals, supernatural events which do not have a shred of evidence that they are true, there is no reason to say that it has to be Christianity. It could be Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Greek Polytheism, Norse Mythology, etc, or an obscure religious, or an extinct religion, or a mythology that no-one has made up yet.

 

[Vansdad]

Ah, so you then agree that because he is so complex and intelligent that he had to be created, right?

No I never said that. Who knows maybe He always was or created Himself. I'm saying we just don't know but if we could understand His true nature, which we never will as humans, maybe we would know how He came into being.

 

[Vansdad]

If you do not know the "true" nature of god, how do you know that he is not pure evil?

As they say the fruits of good is good. And for me time and time again God has proven to be "good" as I know it. I believe that all things come from God. And that a thing judged by humans to be good or bad may not neccessarily be that way. Life is not perfect and does involve tragedy but because I don't like it as a human doesn't mean, to me, it's evil. Maybe once I meet my maker I'll be enlightened and actually understand. This is the foundation of faith.

 

[Vansdad]

Even though I don't agree with the design argument, I do understand why it is so convincing to so many people. Even if it is true, it only proves a grand architect, and not the specific Hebrew God. There are so many religions and mythologies out there and Christianity is simply one of them. Even if one of the wild stories about invisible spirit beings, talking animals, supernatural events which do not have a shred of evidence that they are true, there is no reason to say that it has to be Christianity. It could be Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Greek Polytheism, Norse Mythology, etc, or an obscure religious, or an extinct religion, or a mythology that no-one has made up yet.

What difference does it make as long as there is a God? Christian, Jewish or Islam is just the tools to bring you to Him, as well as many other philosophies. The only thing that matters to me is whether He exists or not. Once a person belives this they can belive in Him how they want to.

 

[outhouse]

He always was or created Himself

that is some imagination right there

 

[Orias]

LovePeaceHappiness and I were having a debate about the atonement and he tried to support this by using arguments that assume that God already exists. When I confronted him with this he suggested I make a new thread about this topic, so here it is. The purpose of this thread is to use logic and reason to try to determine whether God exists, or at least find out whether it is likely that God exists.

I am defining God to be the Judeo-Christian God. There is no reason to say God exists any more than there is to say that unicorns exist because there is no evidence of God. This is a very common argument and is very persuasive.

Can I argue a God other than the silly Judeo-Christian?

 

[Vansdad]

that is some imagination right there

No one knows. If no one can explain life how could anyone explain Him? Not wanting to use a biblical quote at all but it is a good one and it says He is the alpha and the omega. He is the beginning and the end. How can one descripe infinity, or where it begins or ends.

 

[micrurus]

No one knows. If no one can explain life how could anyone explain Him? Not wanting to use a biblical quote at all but it is a good one and it says He is the alpha and the omega. He is the beginning and the end. How can one descripe infinity, or where it begins or ends.

yes, but we know that life exists (or more specific, we know that what we define to be living exists) and we are learning alot about it, and fast.

while god....well we know him from a book that is about as credible as harry potter and also from some holy people who claim to know him or leaders who claim that god wanted them to go to war.

I can show you life, can you show me god? thats the difference.(and don't go pointing at clouds or something similar saying that god is all around us cause thats just *******).

 

[PolyHedral]

How can one descripe infinity, or where it begins or ends.

It's the size of the natural numbers... and the whole point is that there isn't a beginning or end. There isn't much point appealing to "You can't imagine this!" when mathematicians are on the loose.

 

[Vansdad]

It's the size of the natural numbers... and the whole point is that there isn't a beginning or end. There isn't much point appealing to "You can't imagine this!" when mathematicians are on the loose.

It's also a concept.