Does God forgive???

[1robin]

Ok

If it does not need than why it choose.

It is the natural out working of a nature that loves. God is perfect love and therefore does not wish to resign us to the fate we deserve.

I also believe so.

Given we are imperfect something must change for us to be able to exist with God. I find what Christianity claims to be the case by far the most comprehensive and sophisticated method by which that is accomplished.

Now this is what I don’t agree. First you said that god is perfect and then you said god suffers. God never suffers and none can make it suffer.

There is nothing inconsistent with perfection and deciding to suffer. They are metaphysically exclusive concepts. If God was forced to suffer that might be true. It was not even necessary that anyone suffer, he chose to redeem us in this manner because it demonstrates love in the most recognizable form. We all place acts where one person suffers for another as the greatest example of love we know of. We give medals for it and build museums to celebrate it. God proved his love. He didn't just claim he loved us he demonstrated it. God CHOSE to act this way he was not forced to.

This shows that you only know about Christianity.

That was not a claim I resolved on my own. It is one I have heard from many philosophers and theologians. My favorite one was a Hindu when young whose parents were Hindu priests. He has three degrees in theology and philosophy and at least 6 honorary doctorates. He knows more about theology than both of us put together squared. But it is a well-known issue among many theologians.

Now will you define what you believe sprit to be.

A disembodied mind that can act in the material and the spiritual.

We believe in 5. Earth, wind, fire, water and sky.

I did not suggest elements as proof I just thought it interesting how many times tri-mode concepts exist in nature.

Can you explain it.

Any God that can't do something is less capable than a God that could. Therefore a lesser God. If you are asking me to explain how God does what he does, I of course am incapable. If I can explain God and everything he does I would be God and that certainly is not the case. The trinity is a mystery.

Even we too believe that soul is divine but we believe every soul is equally divine.

We believe every soul is fallen but equally potentially divine. Some chose allegiance to God and are given immortality. The rest choose Satan either directly or by default and are destroyed with him. We believe things are broken and need repair. Reality supports this conclusion.

 

[starlite]

Because I only accept reasonable facts. I always search for reasons. I am not a person who accepts because it’s written in scriptures. What I believe I can prove with reasons.

Is there any publication or holy writings that you do accept?

 

[Sumit]

The only input I can offer is the few times I have been in God's presence I felt a contentment and serenity that goes beyond words.

God is always present with us. It is we who close our heart and find god in temple and churches.

I once lay in the kitchen floor for an hour in a perfect state of contentment after long prayer and was depressed for hours after it passed.

This is a state of peace. I experience it when I meditate.

That is specifically why our resurrected nature is not the same as our former nature. The Bible says our corruptible bodies are destroyed and we are given incorruptible ones in heaven. It is symbolically shown by the removal of dirty rags and the putting on of a white robe in the Bible. We are no longer fallible in heaven.

This shows we are no more the same as we were before. Our identity dies.

Our earthly deterioration is a result of the fall. Before the fall nature was upheld by God and did not deteriorate. That situation will be renewed in heaven. Some say that the 2LOT will be suspended, I have no need to get that technical to know that natural law is not binding on supernatural concepts.

You still didn't tell me how long will we live in heaven. Will we live always(unending time) in heaven or for a fixed time.

Since God made the sacrifice and suffered alone for the problem we have caused and only requires faith I can consider that merciful.

God never suffers even a little no matter how big a problem is.

I believe the soul is destroyed in hell not eternally tortured. He gave us a soul we misused it and he takes it back. That is just I think.

Earlier you said that god gives us new body this shows that we are body. Now you said that he gave us soul, this shows that we are not soul than what are we???

Hinduism believes in re-incarnation. Can that be proven?

I can. You can ask me any ques about it.

Historical and theological claims are always evaluated by probability never proven fact.

And hence they are not accurate.

The Bible has 25,000 historical corroborations, thousands of prophecies fulfilled in detail, accurate scientific claims unknown at the time, etc....

The behaviour of church in last few centuaries showed how many scientific claims it contains. And their are many books in world that makes prophesies. Time is a dimension and it can be seen when we awake our chakras of body.

The Bible is the most textually accurate book in ancient history by many many times over.

You didn't find any because you didn't searched for it.

You have a test for God. That is a new one.

I have test for those who claims that know god.

 

[Sumit]

I find what Christianity claims to be the case by far the most comprehensive and sophisticated method by which that is accomplished.

It is because you are only familier to christianity.

There is nothing inconsistent with perfection and deciding to suffer.

You mean god decided to suffer and that is why it suffered. So why we are responsible for sufferings of god.

If God was forced to suffer that might be true.

Who can force the god??

It was not even necessary that anyone suffer, he chose to redeem us in this manner because it demonstrates love in the most recognizable form. We all place acts where one person suffers for another as the greatest example of love we know of. We give medals for it and build museums to celebrate it. God proved his love. He didn't just claim he loved us he demonstrated it. God CHOSE to act this way he was not forced to.

When god chosed the way to suffer, was it actually suffering?? What type of suffering was?? If god suffered than it is imperfect. God can never suffer even if it wants to. There are some rules that even god can't break. God cannot die, god cannot do injustice, god can never create any god that equals to it's power.

Any God that can't do something is less capable than a God that could. Therefore a lesser God. If you are asking me to explain how God does what he does, I of course am incapable. If I can explain God and everything he does I would be God and that certainly is not the case. The trinity is a mystery.

And I know more than 90% of mystery and searching for rest 10%

That was not a claim I resolved on my own. It is one I have heard from many philosophers and theologians.

So?? Philosophers and theologians praised many other religions i.e Buddhism, hinduism, sikkism etc....

My favorite one was a Hindu when young whose parents were Hindu priests. He has three degrees in theology and philosophy and at least 6 honorary doctorates. He knows more about theology than both of us put together squared. But it is a well-known issue among many theologians.

I don't think so. You can find thousands of such hindus who claims to be scholar but their knowledge is a big zero. However I am not a hindu my parents are. I follow Vedic or ancient hinduism that our Ancistors followed even before arrival of Christianity, Buddhism or any other religion. Hindus today follow follow puranic hinduism. They are wasting there time in temples .

Some chose allegiance to God and are given immortality.

And what will happen if after receiving immortality they again go against god.

 

[Sumit]

Is there any publication or holy writings that you do accept?

Yes. It is the oldest known religious text of world and still in use. It is root of my religion. Less that 0.0001% can read it today. None can read it without knowledge of Sanskrit which is world oldest and most scientific language with more that 50 letters (English has only 26 I guess) and vast grammar.
However our religion has thousands of books i.e Mahabharata which is about a war took place before 5000 years. It has more than 100000 verses. We have Ramayana the biggest poetry of world. It is a religious scripture about Rama. We have 108 Upanishads that contains the teachings, Six Darshans that deals with various aspects of life. We have 18 puranas. They are just philosophies. They have more than 300000 verses. We have many books related to yoga and meditation, Ayurveda(Most ancient branch of medical science), Tantras(you can call them books related to dark powers), music, weapons, politics, and much more. We have everything but not the people to explore it.
The base of all these is one. The Vedas. They are books that I read or try to read. However none can read them without learning their language sanskrit.

 

[1robin]

It is because you are only familier to christianity.

I thought I metioned that my conclusions are based on information from people that are well respected scholars in comparitive religion. Ravi Zacharias is one of my favorites and he knows more about Hinduism than anyone I know. I find the theology of Hiduism incoherent and self contradictory but respect anyones right to believe as they wish.

You mean god decided to suffer and that is why it suffered. So why we are responsible for sufferings of god.

I think you missuderstand. Our failure required a remedy. We did not mandate the type of remedy that must be made. The Bible said God decided on what he would do to fix this mess. He could have just declared us righteous, he chose to do so in a way that demonstrated love. No one forced God to do anything. He could have just given up on us or chosen from an infinate range of fixes. He chose Calvary because he wanted to.

Who can force the god??

No one. see above.

When god chosed the way to suffer, was it actually suffering?? What type of suffering was?? If god suffered than it is imperfect. God can never suffer even if it wants to. There are some rules that even god can't break. God cannot die, god cannot do injustice, god can never create any god that equals to it's power.

You sure do describe a less capable God than the Bible. It is also irrational to believe that even if God was limited that you or I would know what limitations he would have. Jesus suffered physical pain, emotional anguish, and seperation from the fathers love. He did these exact things so that we would not have to endure them. It is called substitutionary atonement. I recommend you research this term. Jesus body was not devine and actualy died. His soul is divine and can't die physically. It suffered what the Bible calls the second death which is complete seperation from the father.

And I know more than 90% of mystery and searching for rest 10%

So you believe your finite extremely fallable and limited mind has grasped 90% of the infinate mysteries of the universe and the operations of an infinate mind? Where is your nobel prize? I would bet you understand less than 1% of mathematics much less the rest. That is not an insult you are the same as all of the rest of us mortals. You do realise that not only is that irrational it is a logical fallacy and impossible. What is 90% of infinity?

So?? Philosophers and theologians praised many other religions i.e Buddhism, hinduism, sikkism etc....

No experts in comparitive religion and philosophy examined teh major religions and I found Christianity by far and away the most consistent and comprehensive as did most of them. Oriental pluralistic philisophic theology is about the worst in my opinion of all the world's religious concepts except Egyptology.

I don't think so. You can find thousands of such hindus who claims to be scholar but their knowledge is a big zero. However I am not a hindu my parents are. I follow Vedic or ancient hinduism that our Ancistors followed even before arrival of Christianity, Buddhism or any other religion. Hindus today follow follow puranic hinduism. They are wasting there time in temples near those idols which even cannot defend themselves.

Well I make no claims about Hindu scholars in general but credentials do not come any higher than Ravi Zacharias. He is by far the most formidable theologian and philosopher I have ever heard of.

And what will happen if after receiving immortality they again go against god.

As I stated the new bodies we are given are incapable of sin or rebellion.

 

[Sumit]

I thought I metioned that my conclusions are based on information from people that are well respected scholars in comparitive religion.

And my conclusions are based on my research.

Ravi Zacharias is one of my favorites and he knows more about Hinduism than anyone I know.

Never heard his name. Why don't you post his questions. I will be happy to answers.

I find the theology of Hiduism incoherent and self contradictory

SO please post that contradictory part. But before you go I must tell you only authentic scripture of Hinduism is Vedas. I believe non other not even Gita. This person only knows Puranas which is just a trash. He don't know even a single verse of Vedas.

I think you missuderstand. Our failure required a remedy. We did not mandate the type of remedy that must be made. The Bible said God decided on what he would do to fix this mess. He could have just declared us righteous, he chose to do so in a way that demonstrated love. No one forced God to do anything. He could have just given up on us or chosen from an infinate range of fixes. He chose Calvary because he wanted to.

You are again wrong here. God never decides. It is human nature to decide.Conditions of Universe is cyclic. God only acts. You said "He chose Calvary because he wanted to". This shows that the god defined by you is not free from desires.

You sure do describe a less capable God than the Bible. It is also irrational to believe that even if God was limited that you or I would know what limitations he would have.

So can your god die or do injustice???

Jesus suffered physical pain, emotional anguish, and seperation from the fathers love.

Is your god omnipresent?? If yes than why you said that jesus suffered sepration from god.

I recommend you research this term.

I do

Jesus body was not devine and actualy died. His soul is divine and can't die physically.

Even our soul is divine and can't die.

So you believe your finite extremely fallable and limited mind has grasped 90% of the infinate mysteries of the universe and the operations of an infinate mind? Where is your nobel prize? I would bet you understand less than 1% of mathematics much less the rest. That is not an insult you are the same as all of the rest of us mortals. You do realise that not only is that irrational it is a logical fallacy and impossible. What is 90% of infinity?

Grasped 90% of what I was searching for. Even if I try to search everything I can't. So I choose this path. This path is best.

Well I make no claims about Hindu scholars in general but credentials do not come any higher than Ravi Zacharias. He is by far the most formidable theologian and philosopher I have ever heard of.

Howevr I can give many well known names who criticized Christianity but I don't like it. However I can easily answer him. Why don't you post his question.

As I stated the new bodies we are given are incapable of sin or rebellion.

This clearly shows the personality of human destroyed as they now even can't act according to their will. And if god can provide a body that is incapable of sin. Why don't it give that body to us. By not giving body is God not responsible for sins in world.

 

[1robin]

And my conclusions are based on my research.

I have no access to that so I can't contend it.

Never heard his name. Why don't you post his questions. I will be happy to answers.

He does not have questions he has answers. Please see this site. He is the most prominent theological philosopher I am aware of.
http://stayintheconversation.org/rzimcanada/biography-ravi-zacharias/

SO please post that contradictory part. But before you go I must tell you only authentic scripture of Hinduism is Vedas. I believe non other not even Gita. This person only knows Puranas which is just a trash. He don't know even a single verse of Vedas.

Hold the phone you have violated one of my cardinal rules. You have claimed to have knowledge you can't possibly have. I normally end discussions when this happens but you are new to me so I will soldier on. You have no idea what he knows and claims to such are intellectually dishonest. Restate your claim accurately and I will respond.

You are again wrong here. God never decides. It is human nature to decide. Conditions of Universe is cyclic. God only acts. You said "He chose Calvary because he wanted to". This shows that the god defined by you is not free from desires.

You have not done much research into theism I gather. Theism dictates a God that is personal. That means he can choose to act or not act. He chose to act and did so. That is the definition of theism. His desire did not dictate action. There is nothing inconsistent with God and desire. I do not even think the contention is intellectually coherent.

So can your god die or do injustice???

My God can do anything that is logically possible. He can't make a round square because that is not a thing that could exist. He could act unjustly even though that would be hard to prove however he has not done so. He only promised to be consistent with his revelation and has done so. Any God that either can't chose or would chose unjustly would not be worthy of worship.

Is your god omnipresent?? If yes than why you said that Jesus suffered separation from god.

Again, that is a spiritual condition not a physical one. We are born the same way.

I do

Then why don't you understand it?

Even our soul is divine and can't die.

Prove that.
New International Version (©1984)
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Grasped 90% of what I was searching for. Even if I try to search everything I can't. So I choose this path. This path is best.

On what scale is your path superior?

However I can give many well-known names who criticized Christianity but I don't like it. However I can easily answer him. Why don't you post his question.

I never said he had a question. He is a guy that is famous for answering questions not asking them. He has at least three degrees and six honorary PhDs. He has several fellowships, is on college boards, and is internationally respected. Why would you think you know more than he would or why I would agree?

This clearly shows the personality of human destroyed as they now even can't act according to their will. And if god can provide a body that is incapable of sin. Why don't it give that body to us. By not giving body is God not responsible for sins in world.

He gave us freewill. Freewill can only exist if it is capable of refusing to obey. If we use that freewill to choose allegiance to him we voluntarily give up our future ability to rebel. You can argue against the desirability of a loss of future freewill but not current rebellion or scripture. You seem to be objecting for the sole reason of being able to. I do not see any reasons given for the objection. Your judgments of what God could or would do have no basis in theological philosophy and defy it many times. If you deny the ability of God to choose you are left with deism which has no value or some other obscure irrational choice. What is it you believe happens when you die and why? How is it you know what God could do or not do? The God you are left with that would not violate your objections does not make any sense?

 

[Sumit]

I have no access to that so I can't contend it.

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He does not have questions he has answers. Please see this site. He is the most prominent theological philosopher I am aware of.
Biography: Ravi Zacharias

You called him a theological philosopher and you believe that he knew Hinduism. I read his biography provided by you. Now pleaseeeeeee tell me how can He know Hinduism if he don't know the language of Scriptures "Sanskrit". More than 70% scriptures are not translated yet. Other have poor translation translated by westerners.

You have not done much research into theism I gather. Theism dictates a God that is personal.

God is Universal.

That means he can choose to act or not act. He chose to act and did so. That is the definition of theism. His desire did not dictate action. There is nothing inconsistent with God and desire. I do not even think the contention is intellectually coherent.

I don't think we will agree at this point. Your god choose to act if he wants. But according to me god only acts. There is no choice. It's laws are Universal and never breaks. Even god can't break it's laws.

No one Can break by means of his power
My potent eternal law.--Atharva Veda, 5/11/3

He who is firm in actions
Who establishes irrevocable laws,
Whose deeds are flawless,
Pervades and permeates every heart
In order to hold His sway
Over all. - Rig Veda 1/25/10

My God can do anything that is logically possible. He can't make a round square because that is not a thing that could exist. He could act unjustly even though that would be hard to prove however he has not done so. He only promised to be consistent with his revelation and has done so. Any God that either can't chose or would chose unjustly would not be worthy of worship.

So this clearly shows even god is bound by law as I stated earlier.

Again, that is a spiritual condition not a physical one. We are born the same way.

But if god is omnipresent than it will be definitely present where physical body resides.

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Sorry I neither believe that God creates soul nor believe that god can destroy it.

On what scale is your path superior?

For me it's best, It's upon you to decide your path.

Why would you think you know more than he would

I never claimed that I know more or less. I only claim to answer him. Because I only believe after researching and due to same reason I always had hot debate with my hindu friends.

why I would agree?

I never said you to agree with me. Did I?? We should only agree after judging the fact on the scale of truth.

He gave us freewill. Freewill can only exist if it is capable of refusing to obey.

SO why god didn't give us free will in heaven??? Why we are not free to act there??

 

[1robin]

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Honesty is pleasing.

You called him a theological philosopher and you believe that he knew Hinduism. I read his biography provided by you. Now pleaseeeeeee tell me how can He know Hinduism if he don't know the language of Scriptures "Sanskrit". More than 70% scriptures are not translated yet. Other have poor translation translated by westerners.

I did not say he knew about hinduism. I said he was a Hindu and his family were Hindu officials. If that is the case then no one knows Hindu. Are you a Sanskrit scholar? Why would your God not have his message available throughout the world as mine does? What kind of a God has 70% of his message in a form almost no one can read after 4000 plus years?

God is Universal.

Faith and comprehension are not.

I don't think we will agree at this point. Your god choose to act if he wants. But according to me god only acts. There is no choice. It's laws are Universal and never breaks. Even god can't break it's laws.

Your God gets smaller and smaller. He is an automoton that is a slave to standards that proceeded and superceeded him.

No one Can break by means of his power
My potent eternal law.--Atharva Veda, 5/11/3

He who is firm in actions
Who establishes irrevocable laws,
Whose deeds are flawless,
Pervades and permeates every heart
In order to hold His sway
Over all. - Rig Veda 1/25/10

That is evidence it would be false. Your God does not hold sway over all. Most people have no idea what your God is. That is hardly sway over anything. He does not permeate my heart. Most of my life I was unaware he was even thought to exist. BTW India has between 1 and 300 million Gods, how many do you allow for?

So this clearly shows even god is bound by law as I stated earlier.

I do not follow.

But if god is omnipresent than it will be definitely present where physical body resides.

That has nothing to do with a spiritual state.

Sorry I neither believe that God creates soul nor believe that god can destroy it.

Your God shrinks yet again. What is it that your God does do? He seems impotent.

For me it's best, It's upon you to decide your path.

Ok.

I never claimed that I know more or less. I only claim to answer him. Because I only believe after researching and due to same reason I always had hot debate with my hindu friends.

Answer him by what? He teaches he does not ask and his qualifications supercede ours.

I never said you to agree with me. Did I?? We should only agree after judging the fact on the scale of truth.

You did not provide a single attempt to illustrate why your faith should be chosen. I will continue this tomorrow.

SO why god didn't give us free will in heaven??? Why we are not free to act there??

Is it possible that I can explain every thought of an infinate and perfect being. If I could I would be God or he would be human. I can only communicate what was revealed. Are you objecting by questioning? Simply saying why to every claim is not productive. It is circular. Have a good one I am out of here for today.

 

[starlite]

Yes. It is the oldest known religious text of world and still in use. It is root of my religion. Less that 0.0001% can read it today. None can read it without knowledge of Sanskrit which is world oldest and most scientific language with more that 50 letters (English has only 26 I guess) and vast grammar.

Thank you....very interesting

While, it's true, the Bible was written by men, weren’t Hindu writings also? I believe the men writing the Bible were under the influence of Jehovah God’s holy spirit. And their writings were not their own philosophical views. Furthermore, the Bible gives logical evidence of God’s direction. Such as the Bible’s accurately telling the order in which life appeared on the earth. Or how the Bible accurately stated more than 2,700 years ago, that the earth not only is round but hangs “upon nothing”? Can anything other than divine direction account for the Bible’s accuracy when it comes to prophecies, such as the one at Isaiah 44:28, where the Persian conqueror Cyrus the Great was mentioned by name some 130 years before he was born? This prophecy is supported with historical evidence as well. Could any human have done these things? These are only a few of the reasons to believe in the Bible.

 

[starlite]

T you still call god merciful.

Because I only accept reasonable facts. I always search for reasons. I am not a person who accepts because it’s written in scriptures. What I believe I can prove with reasons.

If I understand correctly...your religious writings called Upanishads inquire into the nature of God and his relationship to humans.

I find that the Bible gives understandable insight about God, and it does so very clearly. He is identified as the Creator of all things. He is portrayed as a Person, not as some nameless force. He is described as “a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth.” And He even invites imperfect humans to come to know him and have a relationship with him.

As for being the Creator....the Bible says at Genesis 2:7: “And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.” Medical scientists say that our human body is composed of some 90 different chemical elements obtainable from the soil of the earth. At Genesis 2:21, 22, it reads: “Jehovah God had a deep sleep fall upon the man and, while he was sleeping, he took one of his ribs and then closed up the flesh over its place. And Jehovah God proceeded to build the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman and to bring her to the man.” Interestingly, doctors reveal that a rib that has been removed will grow again, replacing itself, as long as the periosteum (the membrane of connective tissue that covers the bone) is allowed to remain.

In my opinion, the Bible can be backed up with scientific and historical evidence...you just need to look for it.

 

[Sumit]

I did not say he knew about Hinduism. I said he was a Hindu and his family were Hindu officials.

SO that's all if he do not know about Hinduism. Also 90% of Hindu preist does not know about hinduism. They only know how to do rituals.

If that is the case then no one knows Hindu.

I know many who know it.

Why would your God not have his message available throughout the world as mine does? What kind of a God has 70% of his message in a form almost no one can read after 4000 plus years?

Because the message of God is Universal. It needs efforts to understand it. It is in a language that all needs to learn before study. Even an Indian must make same effort as that of an American or European to read them. This shows that message of god is equally for all. Secondly god gave us Human mind, the most powerful of all creatures. Should we not use it??

Your God gets smaller and smaller. He is an automoton that is a slave to standards that proceeded and superceeded him.

No this shows that the God does not break it's own rules and regulation. What type of god will be who breaks his own laws. He will no more be a god.

That is evidence it would be false. Your God does not hold sway over all. Most people have no idea what your God is. That is hardly sway over anything. He does not permeate my heart. Most of my life I was unaware he was even thought to exist.

God is omnipresent so it's definitely permeate in every heart. But people cannot realise it through senses but through soul. One cannot realize the god if he is under lust, greed, anger, false affection etc.

I do not follow.

What???

Your God shrinks yet again. What is it that your God does do? He seems impotent.

We believe in three entities that always existed. God, soul and Prakriti. Out of which god is supreme because it is Omniscient, omnipresent. Prakriti is lifeless and soul is what we are. God creates Universe by prakriti. And we are involved in creation. We seek God for knowledge and once we attain it we are liberated.

He teaches he does not ask and his He teaches he does not ask and his qualifications supercede ours. supercede ours.

Even the qualification of Bill Gates Workers supercede him. Here I does not want to say that I know more than him. I only wants to say that it's not only qualifications that matters.

BTW India has between 1 and 300 million Gods, how many do you allow for?

And who said so?? Also Vedas clearly states monotheism
Verily He is one Single, indivisible, supreme reality. -- Atharva Veda 13/4/20

The Lord of the entire creation is one and one only.( Rig-Veda 6.36.4)

"God, O men existed in the beginning of the Creation. It is the Creator, Support and Sustainer of the sun and other luminous worlds, was the Lord of the past Creation and the Lord of the present. It will be the Lord of the unborn universe. It created the whole world, and sustains it. It is Eternal Bliss. May ye all praise and adore god as we do." YAJUR VEDA, 13:4

You did not provide a single attempt to illustrate why your faith should be chosen. I will continue this tomorrow.

Ask me questions about what I believe and I will answer.

Is it possible that I can explain every thought of an infinate and perfect being. If I could I would be God or he would be human. I can only communicate what was revealed. Are you objecting by questioning? Simply saying why to every claim is not productive. It is circular. Have a good one I am out of here for today.

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[Sumit]

Thank you....very interesting

While, it's true, the Bible was written by men, weren't Hindu writings also?

The Vedas was revealed by God in the heart of four enlightened sages named Agni, Vayu, Aditya and Angira.

Furthermore, the Bible gives logical evidence of God’s direction. Such as the Bible’s accurately telling the order in which life appeared on the earth.

Story of Adam and Eve. Even some scripture of Hinduism also Contain same stories that Claim Manu and Satrupaa. Islam claims of Adam and hawaa. But I believe none of them.

Or how the Bible accurately stated more than 2,700 years ago, that the earth not only is round but hangs “upon nothing”?

Even our Ancient Book Surya Siddhantha(Surya means sun and siddhanta means rules) contains much more than this. It even tells the diameter of planets. But I don't call them divine. They were the people of that time who researched and searched the truth.
Surya Siddhanta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Can anything other than divine direction account for the Bible’s accuracy when it comes to prophecies, such as the one at Isaiah 44:28, where the Persian conqueror Cyrus the Great was mentioned by name some 130 years before he was born? This prophecy is supported with historical evidence as well. Could any human have done these things? These are only a few of the reasons to believe in the Bible.

God does not make prophecy. Because knowledge of god is eternal. If god will make prophecy than after the prophecy fulfills those prophecy will have no value for future and hence the importance of the words is lost. It's the human nature to make prophecy .

 

[Sumit]

If I understand correctly...your religious writings called Upanishads inquire into the nature of God and his relationship to humans.

No they are not Upanishads, they are "VEDAS".

 

[arun bhardwaj]

God forgive you sin if you never repeat again and you have guilty about that and you truly think that you what you do is wrong...

 

[arun bhardwaj]

Thank you....very interesting

While, it's true, the Bible was written by men, weren’t Hindu writings also? I believe the men writing the Bible were under the influence of Jehovah God’s holy spirit. And their writings were not their own philosophical views. Furthermore, the Bible gives logical evidence of God’s direction. Such as the Bible’s accurately telling the order in which life appeared on the earth. Or how the Bible accurately stated more than 2,700 years ago, that the earth not only is round but hangs “upon nothing”? Can anything other than divine direction account for the Bible’s accuracy when it comes to prophecies, such as the one at Isaiah 44:28, where the Persian conqueror Cyrus the Great was mentioned by name some 130 years before he was born? This prophecy is supported with historical evidence as well. Could any human have done these things? These are only a few of the reasons to believe in the Bible.

yes Bible is more accurate and Modest because in that book show the physical relation between Father and daughter.
Bible says that i m only one God if you are thinking about other you are going to you doom.

Hinduism is more older than Bible.
check hindu scripts in those every thing is forecasted. you came india and try ...

 

[Sumit]

God forgive you sin if you never repeat again and you have guilty about that and you truly think that you what you do is wrong...

Even if a person commit any serious crime??? Is this not injustice of god to forgive sinners.

 

[arun bhardwaj]

No, if any one commited serious crime and after that hi change his whole life becoz of that crime it that not called injustice.

Suppose i commit serious crime and after that i for a second i feel that it is wrong. in that condition my crime is not forgive by GOD. and other side after that crime i feel heartly that it was wrong than , it means i m giving punishment to myself. after this GOD forgive ur sins.

 

[Sumit]

No, if any one commited serious crime and after that hi change his whole life becoz of that crime it that not called injustice.

IF god forgives you than it will be called injustice to those against whom you committed crime.

Suppose i commit serious crime and after that i for a second i feel that it is wrong. in that condition my crime is not forgive by GOD. and other side after that crime i feel heartly that it was wrong than , it means i m giving punishment to myself. after this GOD forgive ur sins.

If you are punishing yourself due to the crime you committed that's good as this will stop you to crime further. But as god rewards every good deed it also punishes for every wrong deeds.