Does God get bored or lonely?

[Deeje]

This is an opportunity for brilliant theologians or well informed believers. If I am wrong, tell me why.

Do you really want to know? Are you willing to listen?

All of the questions you ask are all answered in the Bible.

Describe God.

He is described well in his word. He has cardinal qualities with which he endowed humans.....love, justice, wisdom and power. (1 John 4:8; Deuteronomy 32:4; Job 12:13; Isaiah 40:26; Nehemiah 9:16-17)

Describe God's angels.

Hebrews 1:4 indicates that these spirit beings are there to serve both God and mankind. They are more powerful than us humans and are described in the Bible as "sons of God". This makes them part of God's universal "family". They have free will like us, and serve their Creator like we do, just in a different realm. Like us, they are not immortal and can be put out of existence by God. All of God's children had the privilege of everlasting life, but that is not immortality. An immortal being cannot die from any cause.

How many angels are there?

Revelation 5:11 says that John saw "myriads of myriads, thousands of thousands" of them in heaven.

Was Jesus God?

There is not a single scripture where Jesus ever claimed to be God Almighty. He is and always was the Son of God. He is God's "firstborn" making him a creation. (Colossians 1:16-17; Revelation 3:14)

What is heaven like?

The Bible describes heaven only in human terms. Since no human has ever gone there and was able to tell us, all we have are visions like the one John received and described in his Revelation. (Revelation 4:3)

Here is a really hard question. Why did God create the universe?

God has his own reasons for creation. Since this involves bringing life into existence in a spiritual realm first, and then in a material realm, the Creator has exercised his creativity in whatever ways he chooses as a free willed being himself. No one creates anything for no reason.

Here is another difficult question. When did paradise happen?

According to the Genesis account, the earth was at first a barren planet until its preparation by God to support life. God did not make the earth a paradise, but "planted" a small area for humans to inhabit. Eden was that paradise and it contained everything that humans would need to live a wonderful existence. The mandate that God gave to the first humans was to "become many and fill the earth and subdue it". In that instruction, was God's plan for the future of earth and humanity. They were to fill the earth, (not just the garden) with their kind, and they were to "subdue" the areas outside the garden, using their god given creativity to eventually make the whole earth into a paradise of pleasure for all to enjoy. That scenario was assured only by their continued obedience. We know why they lost it.

I am sure there are brilliant theologians out there who can answer these questions. Everyone is waiting.

You don't have to be a brilliant theologian to answer those questions.....the answers are all plainly there in God's word. It's not rocket science.....but the truth has been buried by the one who doesn't want it told. (1 John 5:19; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4)

 

[Deeje]

Yet religion continues to perpetuate problems in the name of stated deity. It is sad, really. Religion pretends to be the cure, yet religion continues to cause more problems than it solves.

If you read the Bible, you will see that Jesus and his apostles foretold that even Christianity would be corrupted in much the same way that the Jewish religion was corrupted, observing the commands of men, rather than the commands of God.

Religion was invented by men, not God. What religion were Adam and Eve?.....the devil has constructed an entire world empire of false religions....catering to all tastes. He doesn't care how you leave true worship, as long as he can turn you away from the truth.

 

[Mister Silver]

If you read the Bible, you will see that Jesus and his apostles foretold that even Christianity would be corrupted in much the same way that the Jewish religion was corrupted, observing the commands of men, rather than the commands of God.

Religion was invented by men, not God. What religion were Adam and Eve?.....the devil has constructed an entire world empire of false religions....catering to all tastes. He doesn't care how you leave true worship, as long as he can turn you away from the truth.

Man created the devil too. He is too often to scapegoat for those unwilling to accept reality.

 

[Deeje]

God creates humans with free will.
God gets angry with humans for exercising that free will.
Yes, makes perfect sense.

Free will was never the freedom to do whatever we liked. If you remember, God initially kept the knowledge of evil to himself. So without a knowledge of evil, free will would have been a blessing. With a knowledge of evil, it became a curse because humans now exercised their free will in a negative way, robbing others of the freedom to exercise their own.

God has always told us how to exercise our free will responsibly....when we fail to obey his direction, we prove that we are not worthy of the gift.

 

[Deeje]

Man created the devil too. He is too often to scapegoat for those unwilling to accept reality.

The devil is self created. God did not create the devil and neither did man. They could have told the devil to go away, just like Jesus did, but they invited him into the world as it's god and ruler.....we can clearly see the result.

 

[Repox]

Man created the devil too. He is too often to scapegoat for those unwilling to accept reality.

No, Satan is real. I have seen him. He was created by God to be a loving angel. Instead, he became an enemy of God. God gave all the angels freewill, Satan made a choice, he attempted to be God and God tossed him out of heaven.

 

[Mister Silver]

The overwhelming support for fantasy in this thread has made me reach my limit for proscribing reality. Allow me to fade back toward a place of reason. Good luck with your mythology.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

A meaningless cliché.

Really? Where have you ever even heard that, much less repeated, except by me, which is the opposite of a cliché?

Ego.

So you're claiming God is fallible?

And your basis for asserting this?

You would expect creatures with self-awareness and free will must necessarily have had a creator with the same qualities, IF we indeed were created.

And your basis for believing this?

You're repeating yourself.

This sounds much too desperate.

You're the one spouting snide quips without answers.

And your basis for believing this?

So what's your limit to how many times you'll ask the same question about the same subject?

Why not?

Because we'd be sock puppets.

More meaningless hokum. .

I've been pointing out that God is Truth, whatever that Truth might be, for decades, but discovered that Gandhi said it first. The rest is mine that I've been posting on line for about that long, and so far no one's ever shown me how it's wrong, much less what else mike make sense? But I've had dozens and dozens of such "meaningless hokum" non-responses. Last resort name calling takes many forms. Have you quieted that deep down still small voice yet? I could answer my own question but that would defeat its purpose, to raise the question with thoughtful lurkers.

 

[Repox]

The overwhelming support for fantasy in this thread has made me reach my limit for proscribing reality. Allow me to fade back toward a place of reason. Good luck with your mythology.

I thought this was a religious forum. If you want no fantasy, read statistics.

 

[Deeje]

The overwhelming support for fantasy in this thread has made me reach my limit for proscribing reality. Allow me to fade back toward a place of reason. Good luck with your mythology.

Yep....

and the same to you......

 

[Rival]

There he is!!!

 

[Deeje]

There he is!!!

Gotta love him....

 

[Repox]

That's certainly a god. It's just not a god worth worshiping.

Which may be a reason why there may be few worshipers. Assuming there is only one God, and that God sets the rules, what are the choices? It may be why there are so many other gods. Humans want diversity, choices, excitement, and diversion from God.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Gratitude for what?

God is not evident to give gratitude too. Now if God exists, we should indeed feel grateful for God's ultimate gift, free will. But then we don't know that God actually exists, by God's design, in order to maintain that free will.

It appears that what God wants us to do, if It exists, is not to grovel, but that we advocate for the Truth, via knowledge, justice, love and beauty. Do you want your friends and lovers to grovel at your feet? That's what one could reasonably conclude.

Gratitude for just being alive. Grateful for living.

That depends. If god exists, I wouldn't want to give gratitude to the god of abraham. His existence doesn't earn my gratitude. That doesn't mean being grateful is nonsense. Why wouldn't you be grateful?

God wants us to? According to who? Are you more focused on the people who claim god wants you to be grateful or god himself?

I personally don't gravel at anyone's feet. My family in spirit, spirit, or anyone else's god doesn't make me gravel because submission isn't a form of worship that makes me grateful. However, you can still show gratitude without graveling.

I'm just pointing out that people gravel at god's feet. (Can't remember my beginning point. This seems to go off track)

You're preaching to the choir.

Haha. I'm telling both sides ya'll singing flat but since you keep on singing, you can't hear the sound of your own voice.

It means our spirits is like God's. And I sure God is not impress by our prayers, but by the way we live our lives.

It depends on your relationship with god. I don't expect a stranger to be impressed with anything I would do for my parents. Believers feel god are impressed by their prayers. Other people do not. I don't see the problem just difference of opinions.

I agree. And our free will would require God's sharing a part of Its omnipotence with us to facilitate that free will.

If god is all powerful, authoritative, and does things on his own, I wouldn't expect him to share a part of his omnipotence. If that is the god you're thinking of, I think it's contradictory to ask for such a thing.

 

[Repox]

Do you really want to know? Are you willing to listen?

All of the questions you ask are all answered in the Bible.



He is described well in his word. He has cardinal qualities with which he endowed humans.....love, justice, wisdom and power. (1 John 4:8; Deuteronomy 32:4; Job 12:13; Isaiah 40:26; Nehemiah 9:16-17)



Hebrews 1:4 indicates that these spirit beings are there to serve both God and mankind. They are more powerful than us humans and are described in the Bible as "sons of God". This makes them part of God's universal "family". They have free will like us, and serve their Creator like we do, just in a different realm. Like us, they are not immortal and can be put out of existence by God. All of God's children had the privilege of everlasting life, but that is not immortality. An immortal being cannot die from any cause.



Revelation 5:11 says that John saw "myriads of myriads, thousands of thousands" of them in heaven.



There is not a single scripture where Jesus ever claimed to be God Almighty. He is and always was the Son of God. He is God's "firstborn" making him a creation. (Colossians 1:16-17; Revelation 3:14)



The Bible describes heaven only in human terms. Since no human has ever gone there and was able to tell us, all we have are visions like the one John received and described in his Revelation. (Revelation 4:3)



God has his own reasons for creation. Since this involves bringing life into existence in a spiritual realm first, and then in a material realm, the Creator has exercised his creativity in whatever ways he chooses as a free willed being himself. No one creates anything for no reason.



According to the Genesis account, the earth was at first a barren planet until its preparation by God to support life. God did not make the earth a paradise, but "planted" a small area for humans to inhabit. Eden was that paradise and it contained everything that humans would need to live a wonderful existence. The mandate that God gave to the first humans was to "become many and fill the earth and subdue it". In that instruction, was God's plan for the future of earth and humanity. They were to fill the earth, (not just the garden) with their kind, and they were to "subdue" the areas outside the garden, using their god given creativity to eventually make the whole earth into a paradise of pleasure for all to enjoy. That scenario was assured only by their continued obedience. We know why they lost it.



You don't have to be a brilliant theologian to answer those questions.....the answers are all plainly there in God's word. It's not rocket science.....but the truth has been buried by the one who doesn't want it told. (1 John 5:19; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4)

The most important questions are not in the Bible. What does God look like? How many angels are there in heaven? Why did God create the universe. I know, those questions are addressed indirectly, and ambiguously in the Bible. As an example, where does it say God is a duality in the Bible? I know the answer because I have had revelations about heaven from dreams and visions. No, I am not insane, my successful life is evidence of my sanity. Paul got it mostly wrong because Paul didn't know Jesus was God. Therefore, much of the NT is in error. There is a reason why Jews don't believe the NT, it is wrong. Jesus was God, and God is a duality. I saw God in heaven in a sphere with angels around it. I suppose there is no use having this discussion, I don't believe what contradicts my experiences. Incidentally, I had a dream about the Bible. A voice said, "it happened, but not that way." We can continue with our discussion, but it will not proceed with me denying what I know about God, etc. Perhaps, people would like to be enlightened. I mean that serious! I know what no other person knows. Reading what I have just written, I realize it will never be accepted. The real God, and the real story, is just to incredible to believe.

 

[Deeje]

The most important questions are not in the Bible. What does God look like? How many angels are there in heaven? Why did God create the universe. I know, those questions are addressed indirectly, and ambiguously in the Bible. As an example, where does it say God is a duality in the Bible? I know the answer because I have had revelations about heaven from dreams and visions. No, I am not insane, my successful life is evidence of my sanity. Paul got it mostly wrong because Paul didn't know Jesus was God. Therefore, much of the NT is in error. There is a reason why Jews don't believe the NT, it is wrong. Jesus was God, and God is a duality. I saw God in heaven in a sphere with angels around it. I suppose there is no use having this discussion, I don't believe what contradicts my experiences. Incidentally, I had a dream about the Bible. A voice said, "it happened, but not that way." We can continue with our discussion, but it will not proceed with me denying what I know about God, etc. Perhaps, people would like to be enlightened. I mean that serious! I know what no other person knows. Reading what I have just written, I realize it will never be accepted. The real God, and the real story, is just to incredible to believe.

I'm sorry, but there is no answer to that.

In saying this.......
"I saw God in heaven in a sphere with angels around it. I suppose there is no use having this discussion, I don't believe what contradicts my experiences. Incidentally, I had a dream about the Bible. A voice said, "it happened, but not that way." We can continue with our discussion, but it will not proceed with me denying what I know about God, etc. Perhaps, people would like to be enlightened. I mean that serious! I know what no other person knows. Reading what I have just written, I realize it will never be accepted. The real God, and the real story, is just to incredible to believe."

Do you honestly believe that out of all humanity, "you alone" are the sole person who knows the truth about God? Really?
When you say that you 'saw God and angels in heaven and your dream voice told you that the Bible is totally misinterpreted'.....how is it that God has not empowered you with his spirit to proclaim it to the world? Why are you a lone voice on an internet forum?

You yourself understand how ridiculous you sound to rational people and other believers. What you describe is delusion. Do you understand the difference between a delusion and an hallucination? A delusion is someone's reality. You cannot convince a deluded person that what they experience isn't real. Please understand that I am not trying to demean you....and I am sorry, but I do not see rationality in your posts.

'The real God and the real story' have to be simple enough for a child to comprehend, otherwise God is not the loving Father he claims to be. He is taking some kind of fiendish delight in leading us all down the wrong path to destruction....I'm sorry, but that describes the devil, who masquerades as "an angel of light". (2 Corinthians 11:14-15)

Are you so sure of the source of your dreams and visions? Would you know if they were the product of a chemical imbalance? You do understand that psyche wards are full of people who think they speak for God and hear voices? What do your nearest and dearest say about you and your experiences? Have they expressed concern at all? Please think carefully about these things.

 

[Skwim]

Really? Where have you ever even heard that, much less repeated, except by me, which is the opposite of a cliché?

Naturally I seldom remember where I've hear a particular cliché---do you?---but a quick Google search turned up several instances of its use. Sorry to tell you, but you didn't originate it.

So you're claiming God is fallible?

No I'm not, but if asked I'd certainly say the God of the Bible is. There are several of instances in the book where he regrets what he's done, failing to make the right decision. In any case, your question here is irrelevant to my comment.

You would expect creatures with self-awareness and free will must necessarily have had a creator with the same qualities, IF we indeed were created.

No I wouldn't. But then I don't believe in free will either.

You're repeating yourself.

Only because you keep making the same statement without explanation. But

You're the one spouting snide quips without answers.

Answer to what? If you expect an answer you gotta ask a question. Unless, that is, you're referring to your title question, which I answered in post 9.

So what's your limit to how many times you'll ask the same question about the same subject?

The why

"Most definitely NOT just for God's benefit, but for It's and ours."​

is the same subject as the what?

"[We're] created in God's spiritual image."
​

Really??? And your basis for believing this?

Because we'd be sock puppets.

Not exactly certain what you mean by "sockpuppet," but if I understand you correctly, you're saying that because you don't like the idea of being a sockpuppet means it's an impossibility. Is that how your world works?

I've been pointing out that God is Truth, whatever that Truth might be, [/quote]
Gravity seems pretty true, a "truth, so is god gravity? Bestiality happens and is therefore true, a "truth," so is god bestiality?

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[JustWondering]

Think about it. God exists "in the beginning" all by Itself. What does God do to relieve the boredom, create a universe? It's pretty and all but it isn't engaging and God has no one to share it with. So (and all that follows happens in the blink of an eye) God considers creating angels, but knows instantly that they'd be nothing but divine sock-puppets, which would be extensions of It's own intellect, even if there were trillions of them. God could make Itself into a He and create a goddess for a spouse, or vice vesa, or both, or alternate. But that would be nothing more than a glorified sock puppet. God could bestow his goddess with free will, but that means she could lie to him if she chose and he'd never be the wiser if she was any good at it--which, being a goddess, she would be.

So, what could God do, what COULD GOD DO? How could God create creatures with free will to do as they please as if God didn't exist--a way of pre-testing companions in order to weed out evil or mindless yes-men, so that God could then experience delight, sorrow, euphoria and all the passions possible with existence?

Well? Either God couldn't figure it out, or It did. Assuming the latter (I mean here we are), what could God do?

Maybe we're all just a day dream god is having.

 

[Repox]

I'm sorry, but there is no answer to that.

In saying this.......
"I saw God in heaven in a sphere with angels around it. I suppose there is no use having this discussion, I don't believe what contradicts my experiences. Incidentally, I had a dream about the Bible. A voice said, "it happened, but not that way." We can continue with our discussion, but it will not proceed with me denying what I know about God, etc. Perhaps, people would like to be enlightened. I mean that serious! I know what no other person knows. Reading what I have just written, I realize it will never be accepted. The real God, and the real story, is just to incredible to believe."

Do you honestly believe that out of all humanity, "you alone" are the sole person who knows the truth about God? Really?
When you say that you 'saw God and angels in heaven and your dream voice told you that the Bible is totally misinterpreted'.....how is it that God has not empowered you with his spirit to proclaim it to the world? Why are you a lone voice on an internet forum?

You yourself understand how ridiculous you sound to rational people and other believers. What you describe is delusion. Do you understand the difference between a delusion and an hallucination? A delusion is someone's reality. You cannot convince a deluded person that what they experience isn't real. Please understand that I am not trying to demean you....and I am sorry, but I do not see rationality in your posts.

'The real God and the real story' have to be simple enough for a child to comprehend, otherwise God is not the loving Father he claims to be. He is taking some kind of fiendish delight in leading us all down the wrong path to destruction....I'm sorry, but that describes the devil, who masquerades as "an angel of light". (2 Corinthians 11:14-15)

Are you so sure of the source of your dreams and visions? Would you know if they were the product of a chemical imbalance? You do understand that psyche wards are full of people who think they speak for God and hear voices? What do your nearest and dearest say about you and your experiences? Have they expressed concern at all? Please think carefully about these things.

It will always be this way because what I know doesn't fit with traditional religious ideas. I have researched it and find I am alone. By profession, I am a scholar, so I know how to conduct research. After I learned God is a duality, I researched the Bible and found support for God's duality in the "two witnesses." The witnesses were God. Everything fits, the 31/2 year time frame, giving testimony, 31/2 days on the ground dead, and the violent death of the two witnesses. Then, knowing there are twelve angels in heaven I have found numerous references to the number twelve in Revelation. Because Jesus was God and not the son of God, you find many discrepancies in the NT. As an example, you do not find any NT Jesus stories in prior gospels. What you find in prior gospels are Jesus sayings. It is interesting in those prior gospels you find several references to the "kingdom of heaven." If Jesus was God, wouldn't he make references to heaven? I continue to research the questions. As for insanity, how about the prophets? Where they insane? It would happen again. If someone with authority wrote about a religious issue, soon it would become truth. As it turns out, most people lie, some more than others. If you study history, you find authors during the NT period made up a lot of fiction, it was a popular way of writing. Thus, we have four NT gospels with fictional stories.

It is not God's problem we are mislead. God does not control our minds. We have freewill, which means men can write anything, even fiction when it should be truth.

As for the comments, "When you say that you 'saw God and angels in heaven and your dream voice told you that the Bible is totally misinterpreted'.....how is it that God has not empowered you with his spirit to proclaim it to the world? Why are you a lone voice on an internet forum?"

I didn't say the Bible is "totally misinterpreted." I said, according to my dream, "it happened but not that way." You see how things can be so easily misinterpreted. I have had several dreams about the Bible. Mostly, they have told me about events from God's point of view. As for truth, most of the NT is in error because Jesus was not the son of God. Jesus was God. As for proclamations, I have no desire to share with the world. Because what I know is not a "salvation story," there is no possibility for my ideas taking hold. I do, however, enjoy discussing what I know about God, even though I know my ideas will be rejected. People will not accept ideas which contradict their beliefs.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Naturally I seldom remember where I've hear a particular cliché---do you?---but a quick Google search turned up several instances of its use. Sorry to tell you, but you didn't originate it.

I preceded them all, and nowhere will you find them saying Truth is God--though Gandhi did. I daresay that most Christians would call that idolatry.

No I'm not, but if asked I'd certainly say the God of the Bible is. There are several of instances in the book where he regrets what he's done, failing to make the right decision. In any case, your question here is irrelevant to my comment.

I agree on the God of the Bible. And how is it irrelevant? If God has an ego, It is fallible.

No I wouldn't. But then I don't believe in free will either.

What you believe is irrelevant to the question of "what if?"

Only because you keep making the same statement without explanation. But

What do you need to be explained?


Answer to what? If you expect an answer you gotta ask a question. Unless, that is, you're referring to your title question, which I answered in post 9.

"[We're] created in God's spiritual image."

​

Really??? And your basis for believing this?

Based on the proposition that God "created" us, iow, by a force of will, It must necessarily have self-awareness.

Not exactly certain what you mean by "sockpuppet," but if I understand you correctly, you're saying that because you don't like the idea of being a sockpuppet means it's an impossibility. Is that how your world works?

You're being difficult. If I have a sock puppet on my hand, what controls what it says and does? It's a mere extension of myself.

I've been pointing out that God is Truth, whatever that Truth might be,

Gravity seems pretty true, a "truth, so is god gravity? Bestiality happens and is therefore true, a "truth," so is god bestiality?

God is Truth means God is the embodiment of Truth. Self-aware creatures are the only ones capable of choosing evil (e.g. bestiality etc.) The fact that war happens doesn't make it necessarily good or evil.

Maybe we're all just a day dream god is having.

Huh?