Does god make a good parent?

[it's_sam]

That's the point, you'd just be dead, but no chance for eternal life. Does that make you fearful?






Because I know what I'm talking about.

Do I have you thinking yet?

:seesaw:

 

[it's_sam]

this seems to be the Jehovah's witness belief, which was actually made in about 1875 and was called the "bible study group" until around 1930. They have their own interpretation of the bible, and it's really frustrating me how every single different person i see here has a different view and every time i postulate how that view is wrong, i get another person pop up with a different view that is just a different take on the exact same bible!

This is because we are all of the same mind, but we got to that way of thinking through completely different ways "who we are". We share the result of our paths in mind as our final peace, and the path we took to get there doesnt matter. If the end is a place of only good any path there would be of good, and we understand that. We don't take word literaly because relatively no word is literal its just interpreted and used to better ourselves.

 

[MurphtheSurf]

no....does it scare you? I'm guessing yes
'cause your using the word "punishment" as if it were something to be afraid of...i don't know, guess i'm just imagining things

It doesn't scare me at all. And I'm not the one who brought up the "punishment" aspect if you were to go back and look.

what do you mean by, "Christendom does not have the truth of what the Bible really teaches so they must resort to coercion, because it's all they have."

so who REALLY knows what the bible teaches
catholicism, mormons, 7th day adventists, jehovah's witness etc...
seems like a lot of people KNOW what they are talking about, dontcha think?

May I suggest you attempt a Bible study with any or all (which would be better) of all the aforementioned groups and discover the answer for yourself.
There are no quick fixes and if any of the aforementioned groups offer one, you will have started the weeding process of elimination as to has the truth.
Also, you can take a look at their conduct and how that aligns itself to what Jesus taught. I hope you make that attempt.

 

[waitasec]

It doesn't scare me at all. And I'm not the one who brought up the "punishment" aspect if you were to go back and look.

Look, this is your 1st post on this thread... you said...

The Heavenly Father is the only Father that offers everlasting life. Your earthly fathers can't. If you reject and actively oppose the Heavenly Father up until your death, your prospects for eternal life will be extremely poor. That is the punishment, death, nothing more, nothing less.
So, the bottom line is, the humans are the ones that fail, not the Father.

I never mentioned punishment...how could i?

all i said was in my OP,
"If a parent tells their child was worthless, evil and lucky to be kept alive, what kind of person would that child turn out to be? If a parent executed their child for second guessing them or for disobeying, is that setting a standard for an exemplary parent? I hear this all the time, 'god loves us like a father would.' I couldn’t disagree more. 1st, as a parent, my love is unconditional and I would never set my child up for failure just so he would have to depend on me for everything, from buying a car/house to getting a better job or meeting the right person. My will would trump his and nothing good can come from him and the only good thing about him isn’t him it’s his faith in me…
I think god would FAIL as a parent.
Any thoughts?"

no mention of punishment here....

May I suggest you attempt a Bible study with any or all (which would be better) of all the aforementioned groups and discover the answer for yourself.
There are no quick fixes and if any of the aforementioned groups offer one, you will have started the weeding process of elimination as to has the truth.
Also, you can take a look at their conduct and how that aligns itself to what Jesus taught. I hope you make that attempt.

well i was going into the ministry at one point i even went to bible college
i couldn't continue because my of self dignity, there were too many contradictions that i could not see past...

if this IS the WORD of god why is it so convoluted?

 

[it's_sam]

"If a parent tells their child was worthless, evil and lucky to be kept alive, what kind of person would that child turn out to be?

What about your life tells you that you arent lucky to be here? The Earth is exactly far enough away from the sun to be the perfect balance of water and ice giving us our oxygen. Everytime you step into a car your LUCKY you step out. Our life is so fragile it could drop at any second. We ARE lucky to be here and the fear of breaking that line with a bad choice is a good thing to instill, consequence will keep a kid from being bad. This is simple parenting, time-out, talking, I was spanked when I was bad and I stopped doing it. Did my parents just want to see me be punished for enjoyment, or were they trying to show me that the world is NOT how I am seeing it?

 

[MurphtheSurf]

well i was going into the ministry at one point i even went to bible college
i couldn't continue because my of self dignity, there were too many contradictions that i could not see past...

if this IS the WORD of god why is it so convoluted?

Very good. You saw the falsehoods of christendom. Do you reject God because of that experience? That's what Satan wants you to do.

 

[Misty]

Very good. You saw the falsehoods of christendom. Do you reject God because of that experience? That's what Satan wants you to do.

I can't see any difference between the god character in the Bible and Satan, although I am not really sure what Satan is supposed to have done that is so bad!

 

[waitasec]

What about your life tells you that you arent lucky to be here? The Earth is exactly far enough away from the sun to be the perfect balance of water and ice giving us our oxygen. Everytime you step into a car your LUCKY you step out. Our life is so fragile it could drop at any second. We ARE lucky to be here and the fear of breaking that line with a bad choice is a good thing to instill, consequence will keep a kid from being bad. This is simple parenting, time-out, talking, I was spanked when I was bad and I stopped doing it. Did my parents just want to see me be punished for enjoyment, or were they trying to show me that the world is NOT how I am seeing it?

our awareness of being alive is another sense that we have acquired because we have the ability to rationalize, but just because we rationalize with our senses, why does that have to mean we are here for a reason?
look at an ant, i'm sure they have some sort of sense of awareness no matter how minute...

in psychology, if a child is constantly put down their sense of self worth is diminished to the point of no return, do you agree? What difference is there then, when you look at a god, that you have a "relationship" with who constantly says, 'you are no good without me', through a book. a highly flawed book, no less. religion is dangerous pure and simple

 

[it's_sam]

our awareness of being alive is another sense that we have acquired because we have the ability to rationalize, but just because we rationalize with our senses, why does that have to mean we are here for a reason?
look at an ant, i'm sure they have some sort of sense of awareness no matter how minute...

in psychology, if a child is constantly put down their sense of self worth is diminished to the point of no return, do you agree? What difference is there then, when you look at a god, that you have a "relationship" with who constantly says, 'you are no good without me', through a book. a highly flawed book, no less. religion is dangerous pure and simple

For me that doesnt explain our difference from animals. We have a seperate purpose then simple cycles. Also i see more it like we can do more together as a team. Not your no good without me.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

"God" is about as good of a parent as the atmosphere would be. Or water. Or Sunday evening's roast chicken dinner. Or a nice glass of peach-mint-flavored iced tea.

All could be argued as reasons for our existence or sustenance, but like any parent, each - including "God" - has it's own limitations.

 

[waitasec]

For me that doesnt explain our difference from animals. We have a seperate purpose then simple cycles. Also i see more it like we can do more together as a team. Not your no good without me.

correct me if i am wrong but animals work in packs...in fact those that do flourish and even within those packs you will find a hierarchy...those that follow and those that lead

 

[Smokeless Indica]

If a parent tells their child was worthless, evil and lucky to be kept alive, what kind of person would that child turn out to be? If a parent executed their child for second guessing them or for disobeying, is that setting a standard for an exemplary parent? I hear this all the time, 'god loves us like a father would.' I couldn’t disagree more. 1st, as a parent, my love is unconditional and I would never set my child up for failure just so he would have to depend on me for everything, from buying a car/house to getting a better job or meeting the right person. My will would trump his and nothing good can come from him and the only good thing about him isn’t him it’s his faith in me…
I think god would FAIL as a parent.
Any thoughts?

I agree. How can he be a good parent when he doesn't talk to us or answer our questions. He doesn't teach us anything. He doesn't DO anything at all now that I think about it. If he is real he just sits on his *** all day and does nothing.

That's the point, you'd just be dead, but no chance for eternal life. Does that make you fearful?

I'm sorry but I would not want to live an eternal life in any fashion of the sense. When I die, I'm fine with just being dead.

Are you sure about that? He did warn them not to eat the fruit. But it is not a literal story anyway.

Yes, he may have warned them but a GOOD parent would have explained why they couldn't eat the fruit.

 

[waitasec]

i pose another question
if you had a child who did everything you wanted them to do, what would this behavior say about that child? a healthy sense of self... i think not

 

[Smokeless Indica]

I did everything my mom wanted me to. I never got into any trouble with my mom.
The only person I got in trouble with and didn't do what they told me was my step-dad and that was because I didn't like him.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

i pose another question
if you had a child who did everything you wanted them to do, what would this behavior say about that child? a healthy sense of self... i think not

I did a lot of things my parents wanted me to do, but only because I liked pleasing my mother and yearned for acceptance from my father. But at a certain point I started living my own life, and therefore stopped living for their approval.

I expected the same from my kids (only that naturally kids hope to please their parents because kids are naturally self-centered), and that eventually they'll take responsibility for their own lives. We're seeing that transition right now as we speak.

Aaaaahhhhhh, teenagers.

 

[Smokeless Indica]

Good luck with your teenagers. I hear they can be awful.

 

[Troublemane]

We're seeing that transition right now as we speak.

Aaaaahhhhhh, teenagers.

Ya but they cant listen to gangsta-rap to rebell against you! You have set the bar pretty high, Heather! They are going to have to be inventive! lol:angel2:

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Good luck with your teenagers. I hear they can be awful.

I adore them. One minute they make me bang my head against the wall, and the next they make me so proud of them and their own accomplishments. Overall, though, I'd rather have it that way than me chasing after them and micromanaging their every move.

Ya but they cant listen to gangsta-rap to rebell against you! You have set the bar pretty high, Heather! They are going to have to be inventive! lol:angel2:

You have a lot of room to talk, Mike. Purple mohawk? Live-in girlfriends? Going to Christmas Mass wearing a t-shirt that read "Go ahead, fellate me"?

I'd say you were the one who set the bar high, brah. Gangsta rap was a minor blip on the radar by the time our parents survived you.

 

[Troublemane]

You have a lot of room to talk, Mike. Purple mohawk? Live-in girlfriends? Going to Christmas Mass wearing a t-shirt that read "Go ahead, fellate me"?

I'd say you were the one who set the bar high, brah. Gangsta rap was a minor blip on the radar by the time our parents survived you.

Oh now you just sound jealous!:flirt:

I was talking about what they will have to do to shock you! They have no memory of those punk days of mine!

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Oh now you just sound jealous!:flirt:

I was talking about what they will have to do to shock you! They have no memory of those punk days of mine!

I am jealous. I could never pull off a t-shirt stunt like you did with such flair.

You're right though. It might take quite a bit to shock me these days.