Does god make a good parent?

[MurphtheSurf]

or you could work harder now, get the things you want by going to get htem instead of waiting for the new system of things to bring it to you because that is a sad existance. To wait and when nothing comes you are dead and gone not experienceing alot of things =/

The more stuff of yours I read, the more I am convinced that you never ever even went to a single meeting in your life, let alone being from a multi-generational Witness family.
As a side note;
my experiences have always shown the the rabid opposer or apostate has no problem with lying.

 

[AnnaTheBeast]

The more stuff of yours I read, the more I am convinced that you never ever even went to a single meeting in your life, let alone being from a multi-generational Witness family.
As a side note;
my experiences have always shown the the rabid opposer or apostate has no problem with lying.

You'll never know what I've gone through, and still go through.

My family is multi generational. My grandma, my grandfather on the Smith side of my family. The Dean side of my family my grandma and grandpa. My grandma's grandma and her husband. All of their children, and my uncles cousins and sister....
As for attending meeting, I even went to the memorial this year...

 

[waitasec]

no, what the article says is that
"IF the two time periods do coincide then we can be sure that armageddon would come within days weeks or months, not years"

They certainly did not say that those two time periods were about to coincide though (that is 6,000 years of mans creation and the 1,000 reign on christ)

What they stated was correct. IF those two time periods were going to coincide then, yes, armageddon would have come fairly soon....but they were not saying the those two dates were going to coincide.

ahh, it's 2010
what now?

 

[waitasec]

The more stuff of yours I read, the more I am convinced that you never ever even went to a single meeting in your life, let alone being from a multi-generational Witness family.
As a side note;
my experiences have always shown the the rabid opposer or apostate has no problem with lying.

you are crossing the line bub
take it easy...why so hostile? you know when people are insecure they become hostile...chill out...you are becoming self defeating, you know that?

 

[Pegg]

ahh, it's 2010
what now?

well all it means is that now we are 6,036 years since Adams creation....and next year we will be 6,037 years since Adams creation.

When will Armageddon come? We dont know. Will I see it in my lifetime, perhaps. But we do know it will come before the rulers of this world destroy us with their nuclear stockpiles or before the environment becomes so ruined that it cannot sustain life...God will not allow his earth and all the people on it to be destroyed, thats for certain.

 

[AnnaTheBeast]

The enviornment wont kill itself. It will evolve to sustain its self. and is for nuclear stockpiles, no one really wants to wipe everyone out, and thats why no one is really launching them. It wont happen, because no one really wants to commit suicide, and thats what that would be.

 

[jonman122]

Ah, yes that is question. Are we to assume...?

What does it mean to assume?

From the online dictionary:
as·sume as·sumed, as·sum·ing, as·sumes
1. To take upon oneself: assume responsibility; assume another's debts.
2. To undertake the duties of (an office): assumed the presidency.
3. To take on; adopt: "The god assumes a human form" (John Ruskin).
4. To put on; don: The queen assumed a velvet robe.
5. To affect the appearance or possession of; feign.
6. To take for granted; suppose: assumed that prices would rise. See Synonyms at presume.
7. To take over without justification; seize: assume control.


If you assume something you are supposing, speculating...or believing something without justification.

Thats exactly what people did with regard to the year 1975. they wrongly assumed that the society were implying that the end would come in that year. That belief was unfounded and unjustified because the society said no such thing.

you know, i could say the exact same thing about your god and in fact, about every belief you have ever had that doesn't have evidence including armageddon even occuring within the next 4000 years.

Your entire religion is UNFOUNDED and UNJUSTIFIED because there is NO EVIDENCE to support the idea that your god exists.

owned yourself again btw.

 

[waitasec]

well all it means is that now we are 6,036 years since Adams creation....and next year we will be 6,037 years since Adams creation.

When will Armageddon come? We dont know. Will I see it in my lifetime, perhaps. But we do know it will come before the rulers of this world destroy us with their nuclear stockpiles or before the environment becomes so ruined that it cannot sustain life...God will not allow his earth and all the people on it to be destroyed, thats for certain.

so this article was only about how long it's been since adams creation
wonder why all the fuss

 

[Pegg]

You'll never know what I've gone through, and still go through.

My family is multi generational. My grandma, my grandfather on the Smith side of my family. The Dean side of my family my grandma and grandpa. My grandma's grandma and her husband. All of their children, and my uncles cousins and sister....

Anna, im sure that how you feel about you're experiences growing up are legitimate. I know that there is a lot of expectations put on young jw's as they are growing up. Parents can sometimes forget that belief is a personal matter and not everyone thinks that Jehovahs standards and ways are for them...you obviously are one of them.
I wouldnt go so far as to call you an apostate though, i think being an apostate is a lot more serious then simply not believing everything we teach.

I just see you as one of those who have not accepted what you've learnt, perhaps you've been taught so strictly that you are only seeing things in black and white and that is not good because there are many grey areas in our teachings that allow for conscience decisions. I think the saddest thing about your situation is that you feel you cannot tell your family what you really think. ..that must be really frustrating for you and Im sure that it is causing you a lot of grief. Do you have at least one close family member who you feel would be understanding enough to listen to your point of view and let you get it off your chest?

 

[AnnaTheBeast]

My cousin knows because she is the way I am. The ones that are JW's wouldnt listen to me, they are all the same. No one directly related.
I dont need to accept something that isnt true..
It was never about STANDARDS. It was about the belief system and how flawed and wrong it is.
I have been through this religon time and again through fear of dying and not comming back so i studied it long and hard and made sure my choice was legitiment.
It isnt even Standards, that is so far from my reason...

 

[Pegg]

so this article was only about how long it's been since adams creation
wonder why all the fuss

unfortunately some members of our church can be overly zealous...some can take things to an extreme...and some took this subject out of context and ran with it

some of those people even went so far as to sell their houses and so of course I can imagine their dissapointment when 1975 came and went :thud:

 

[jonman122]

The more stuff of yours I read, the more I am convinced that you never ever even went to a single meeting in your life, let alone being from a multi-generational Witness family.
As a side note;
my experiences have always shown the the rabid opposer or apostate has no problem with lying.

you are in no position, nay, have never even been in a position to judge someone else in such a way. I'm ashamed to see someone who claims themselves to be learned would say something so irrational and judgemental about a person who obviously knows more about their religion than they do, considering she has studied it about as long as you have and was in fact BORN in to it, meaning she has learned things that they would not teach you because you were not born a Jehovah's Witness.

 

[waitasec]

unfortunately some members of our church can be overly zealous...some can take things to an extreme...and some took this subject out of context and ran with it

some of those people even went so far as to sell their houses and so of course I can imagine their dissapointment when 1975 came and went :thud:

thats interesting, why would anyone sell their house under that impression...do you need the cash in heaven...

 

[Pegg]

My cousin knows because she is the way I am. The ones that are JW's wouldnt listen to me, they are all the same. No one directly related.
I dont need to accept something that isnt true..
It was never about STANDARDS. It was about the belief system and how flawed and wrong it is.
I have been through this religon time and again through fear of dying and not comming back so i studied it long and hard and made sure my choice was legitiment.
It isnt even Standards, that is so far from my reason...

Im sorry, i took part of your issue to be the standards because of what you said about homosexuals.

I find it hard to imagine that your family would not listen to you if you voiced your concerns to them but you obviously feel that they wouldnt. So what exactly are you afraid of if you do voice yourself to them?

 

[AnnaTheBeast]

If i make it absolutly, without a doubt, to their notice that i am an athiest They WILL remove me from this house, my sister, and every one I have ever known. Tell me, how would you feel?

 

[waitasec]

excommunication
the love of the lord in all it's glory

 

[Pegg]

thats interesting, why would anyone sell their house under that impression...do you need the cash in heaven...

lol no, armageddon is not about going to heaven.

Jw's do not teach that everyone is going to heaven.... there is only a very small number who will go to heaven and they are spoken of in Revelation as the 144,000. That is a literal number of people taken from the earth...they are also called 'the chosen' or 'Christs brothers' or 'the little flock'.

The rest of mankind will have the prospect of living on the earth under the rule of God alone. This is what Armageddons purpose is...its Gods war against Satan and his demons, against wicked world rulers and those who cause suffering to others.

After armageddon, those whom God deems as rightly disposed (righteous) will be able to live directly under his rulership rather then man made rulerships. So armageddon is a war to end all wars and it will come at Gods hand.

 

[Pegg]

If i make it absolutly, without a doubt, to their notice that i am an athiest They WILL remove me from this house, my sister, and every one I have ever known. Tell me, how would you feel?

I would be appalled if they did that!

You've never been baptized so there is no excommunication from the church... I would direct your family to the WT articles which state that young witnesses may not adopt their beliefs and have a right to freedom of conscience.

 

[waitasec]

lol no, armageddon is not about going to heaven.

Jw's do not teach that everyone is going to heaven.... there is only a very small number who will go to heaven and they are spoken of in Revelation as the 144,000. That is a literal number of people taken from the earth...they are also called 'the chosen' or 'Christs brothers' or 'the little flock'.

The rest of mankind will have the prospect of living on the earth under the rule of God alone. This is what Armageddons purpose is...its Gods war against Satan and his demons, against wicked world rulers and those who cause suffering to others.

After armageddon, those whom God deems as rightly disposed (righteous) will be able to live directly under his rulership rather then man made rulerships. So armageddon is a war to end all wars and it will come at Gods hand.

ahhh so god plays favorites, i still don't understand why the need to sell a house though...you still need cash under gods rule

 

[AnnaTheBeast]

Thats all fine and dandy, but I've been told directly from my mom what will happen.
Be appalled because its what has been clearly stated is happening if i state what i am.