Does God make mistakes

[Unveiled Artist]

This is so obvious that God does not create sin that in a world where people believe that the words mean God creates sin I might like to shoot myself if it was lawful and if I had a gun.

Let me ask, what would be the issue If he did?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The Bible teaches god created humans with the ability to sin (if not, how could christians sin?)

That ability is not isolated. I think thats the mix up.

He created the ability to sin=God created sin.

They go hand in hand.

Sin would not exist if god didnt create humans with the ability to do so

 

[savagewind]

Sin is the act of violating God's Will . . . this alone defines the intentions of this god, thus His circular reasoning for Sin and the sacrifice of His Son

If sin is the violation of God's will then God made us so that it is impossible not to sin. Are you sure violate is the right word you want to use here?

 

[EtuMalku]

Let me ask, what would be the issue If he did?

If I may . . . the issue would be that god planned the entire introduction of Sin to Mankind and the ritual murdering of His only Child in order to blackmail Mankind (with supposed free will) into doing God's Will.

 

[EtuMalku]

If sin is the violation of God's will then God made us so that it is impossible not to sin. Are you sure violate is the right word you want to use here?

I am most certainly sure of the word 'violate'

 

[savagewind]

Let me ask, what would be the issue If he did?

With me? If God created sin than he is Mafia. There would be no one to respect. Yes? If there was no one to respect then how would we learn to respect ourselves?

 

[savagewind]

I am most certainly sure of the word 'violate'

Then I am certainly sure you are wrong. I like to be sure. Thank you very much.

 

[EtuMalku]

Then I am certainly sure you are wrong. I like to be sure. Thank you very much.

I would like to hear why you are so certain?

 

[sojourner]

I think post 27 says it better than me. Sins is an act, though. It can also be a noun. "That is a sin" or "You commited a sin"

That is a "evil act" (cant separate sin from evil/kindaa goes together) or however adj used against god.

You commited an evil act against god.

But I like the word designed. Creating sin (noun) in humans is not a bad thing. It was for a specific purpose. Without that purpose, how could sin and evil exist to begin with?

The Hebrew term for "sin" simply means "to miss" or "absent." Sin is absence -- or separation -- from God. "Sin" and "evil" aren't synonymous. Humanity created that separation, and humanity creates evil.

 

[savagewind]

I would like to hear why you are so certain?

Is that a question? I have a hard time explaining things. Ask anyone here.

 

[sojourner]

If god didnt create sin and the option to do so, then I shouldnt have need to make the choice and Jesus wouldnt need to die.

Since he did, than yes, I would opt out. Christianity teaches you cant opt out without Christ.

Or, humanity could have created sin and thus the need to make a choice, etc.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If I may . . . the issue would be that god planned the entire introduction of Sin to Mankind and the ritual murdering of His only Child in order to blackmail Mankind (with supposed free will) into doing God's Will.

I had to give you that Like...I just wouldnt quite say it like that.

 

[savagewind]

Or, humanity could have created sin and thus the need to make a choice, etc.

It is true that humankind is capable of creating stuff. Look at the forum for goodness sake!

 

[sojourner]

Sin is the act of violating God's Will . . . this alone defines the intentions of this god, thus His circular reasoning for Sin and the sacrifice of His Son

It's only circular reasoning because you got the theology wrong. Sin is separation. That's what the Hebrew term translated "sin" means. and humanity effected that separation.

 

[EtuMalku]

SIN is from the Proto-Germanic 'Sunjo' meaning "transgression, trespass, offense"
It has no original meaning pertaining to the Abrahamic god and His mythology

 

[Unveiled Artist]

With me? If God created sin than he is Mafia. There would be no one to respect. Yes? If there was no one to respect then how would we learn to respect ourselves?

Hmm. I respect that.

Id see it as a good thing. Without it, how could eve even be tempted. There'd be no temptation to sin (freedom to choose) that would get them kicked from the garden (assuming for a min this isnt a metaphor). How could the devil be the devil without the "product" of sin?

Why would the bibme refer to flesh as bad and jesus die if the flesh was not sin and crucifiction shedding that sin to bring life.

To me, it would be positive. Ironic, I know.

 

[savagewind]

SIN is from the Proto-Germanic 'Sunjo' meaning "transgression, trespass, offense"
It has no original meaning pertaining to the Abrahamic god and His mythology

Except that Germanic comes AFTER Hebrew and Greek.

 

[savagewind]

Hmm. I respect that.

Id see it as a good thing. Without it, how could eve even be tempted. There'd be no temptation to sin (freedom to choose) that would get them kicked from the garden (assuming for a min this isnt a metaphor). How could the devil be the devil without the "product" of sin?

Why would the bibme refer to flesh as bad and jesus die if the flesh was not sin and crucifiction shedding that sin to bring life.

To me, it would be positive. Ironic, I know.

I do not believe that a person called EVE is someone who could have been tempted.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The Hebrew term for "sin" simply means "to miss" or "absent." Sin is absence -- or separation -- from God. "Sin" and "evil" aren't synonymous. Humanity created that separation, and humanity creates evil.

Humanity cant create evil. Evil is only defined when we create morals we choose to break. Without those morals, evil does not exist. Humans arent the bad guys. Its our morals that can make people do things they may not want to do.

 

[EtuMalku]

Except that German comes AFTER Hebrew and Greek.

alas . . . there is no word SIN in the Greek or Hebrew documents . . . another misinterpreted word conveniently translated into English