Does God make mistakes

[Skwim]

"Will," in philosophy, which is where we are in this discussion, refers to a property of the mind that has the capacity to embrace desires and the ability to act on them.

"Free will," in short, is the ability to have done differently, barring all external impediments. "I did not have to do this. I could have done that."

While we all have a will, none of us has one that's free.

 

[ether-ore]

Agency to choose obedience or not and proneness to making mistakes are both something God created, which led to sin. So it was ultimately God's created situation. Humans didn't create sin. Or put it this way, from where did sin get brought into by man? It must've come from somewhere. God's responsibility isn't magically taken away by saying that he created the thing (humans) that created error (sin). It's like me creating a robot that destroys a house and then I'm free from guilt because it was the robot that destroyed the house and not me. But I built the robot, so I share responsibility, the same way as God would share responsibility for creating man who in turn created sin. Or was it that God didn't even know what he was doing so he can claim ignorance or insanity?

This is where you and I differ: There is a part of each of us that is eternal; that is, while God created our bodies and even our spirits, we, as intelligent entities always existed without beginning. As such, agency is a natural part of our existence. We agreed with God before embarking upon this progression of being added upon. Nothing was ever done to us against our will. I agree that a thing created could only do that which it was created to do, but that is not the case with us.

God therefore, wishes to demonstrate who will keep His commandments and who will not. We are here in mortality, without memory of what went before pursuant to that demonstration. The choices we make here will determine the degree of progression we make after we leave mortality.

 

[savagewind]

This is where you and I differ: There is a part of each of us that is eternal; that is, while God created our bodies and even our spirits, we, as intelligent entities always existed without beginning. As such, agency is a natural part of our existence. We agreed with God before embarking upon this progression of being added upon. Nothing was ever done to us against our will.

Can you rephrase that? Do you mean nothing has ever been done to someone against that person's will?

I agree that a thing created could only do that which it was created to do, but that is not the case with us.

It is not the case because people are not created according to you. Is that what you mean?

God therefore, wishes to demonstrate who will keep His commandments and who will not.

Wishes to or does?

We are here in mortality, without memory of what went before pursuant to that demonstration. The choices we make here will determine the degree of progression we make after we leave mortality.

So then God chooses one person to progress more than another person because.......

 

[Ouroboros]

This is where you and I differ: There is a part of each of us that is eternal; that is, while God created our bodies and even our spirits, we, as intelligent entities always existed without beginning. As such, agency is a natural part of our existence. We agreed with God before embarking upon this progression of being added upon. Nothing was ever done to us against our will. I agree that a thing created could only do that which it was created to do, but that is not the case with us.

I see.

God therefore, wishes to demonstrate who will keep His commandments and who will not.

Why? Why does he need to demonstrate anything, and to whom is he demonstrating?

We are here in mortality, without memory of what went before pursuant to that demonstration. The choices we make here will determine the degree of progression we make after we leave mortality.

So you believe in reincarnation?

 

[EtuMalku]

I shall think about that. Without the force of some kind, one person can't make another person do anything.

Hence where the lies of eternal damnation come into play . . .

 

[savagewind]

Hence where the lies of eternal damnation come into play . . .

Explain. Do it!

 

[ether-ore]

Can you rephrase that? Do you mean nothing has ever been done to someone against that person's will?It is not the case because people are not created according to you. Is that what you mean?

Wishes to or does? So then God chooses one person to progress more than another person because.......

He does. The reason one may progress further than another is because of the degree of obedience of the individual. For example: the procreative power will not be granted to someone who has abused that power or otherwise disobeyed God's laws of morality while in mortality.

I believe that we are composite beings. We are eternal intelligences... not created. We have spirits born of God our Heavenly Father. Now we have physical bodies provided for us through God's plan. After this life is over, we will be immortal. Other abilities will depend on our faithfulness in this life.

 

[savagewind]

He does. The reason one may progress further than another is because of the degree of obedience of the individual. For example: the procreative power will not be granted to someone who has abused that power or otherwise disobeyed God's laws of morality while in mortality.

I believe that we are composite beings. We are eternal intelligences... not created. We have spirits born of God our Heavenly Father. Now we have physical bodies provided for us through God's plan. After this life is over, we will be immortal. Other abilities will depend on our faithfulness in this life.

I understand, but then the degree of obedience of any person is predetermined by God also according to your rule.

 

[ether-ore]

I see.


Why? Why does he need to demonstrate anything, and to whom is he demonstrating? Justice requires that it be proven to us by our actions relative to God's laws that God's judgments are indeed just. We will not be able to say that we would not have sinned. We will have proved it by our actions.


So you believe in reincarnation?

No. I believe in the general resurrection of all people who have ever lived on this earth and that they will then be assigned to various degrees of reward depending on whether or not they kept God's commands in mortality.

 

[ether-ore]

I understand, but then the degree of obedience of any person is predetermined by God also according to your rule.

Not so. God does not make choices for us. He will help us to do good if we ask Him in faith, but He does not otherwise interfere with our agency. God does not in any way control that part of us that is eternal and naturally owns the ability to choose.

 

[savagewind]

No. I believe in the general resurrection of all people who have ever lived on this earth and that they will then be assigned to various degrees of reward depending on whether or not they kept God's commands in mortality.

Is the keeping of God's commands of morality a choice?

 

[Ouroboros]

No. I believe in the general resurrection of all people who have ever lived on this earth and that they will then be assigned to various degrees of reward depending on whether or not they kept God's commands in mortality.

And what does it prove? What is it that he tries to demonstrate (as you suggested)? And who is it that he is demonstrating it to and why?

 

[savagewind]

Imagine God exists. The physical world had a start, but God has always existed, outside of time, actually.
God possesses free will. God did not have to create anything. Would it have been a sin not to create? I think so. Thus, according to me, sin existed before people.
Also, as images of God we should be able to predict what will happen better than we do.
But wishing and wanting get in the way of knowing.
I think that is what happened to Adam when he disobeyed.
The tree of the knowledge of good and bad means our brains can't tell the difference between what is and what we want it to be.

 

[MARCELLO]

Considering that God is the mathematics of what have,cannot see any mistakes.

 

[prometheus11]

According to a few scriptures in Exodus 32, 2nd Samuel 24, and Jonah 3, biblegod at least makes mistakes in his thoughts about how to handle stuff up and coming. He's all like, "Oh, snap, maybe that idea was a bit harsh and/or weird, I'll be a lil more chill, than I first reckoned I would."

 

[Rick O'Shez]

God doesnt exist but if he does he is basically a spoilt brat playing GTA 5 on god mode.

I think more like an mad scientist experimenting with lab rats.

 

[CATSISS]

I think more like an mad scientist experimenting with lab rats.

Lol

 

[rusra02]

How can we change God's plans through prayer does it mean he made a mistake?

Why do you believe we can change what God purposes through our prayers?

 

[CATSISS]

Why do you believe we can change what God purposes through our prayers?

Because he is religious,and trying to cherrypick his holy book of course.

 

[CATSISS]

According to a few scriptures in Exodus 32, 2nd Samuel 24, and Jonah 3, biblegod at least makes mistakes in his thoughts about how to handle stuff up and coming. He's all like, "Oh, snap, maybe that idea was a bit harsh and/or weird, I'll be a lil more chill, than I first reckoned I would."

Finally a christian that admits their god wasnt very powerful at all,well if he really does exist of course.