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Does God require a creator?
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muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
It depends what you mean..
It certainly evolved, and is constantly changing.
Most people believe that the universe has expanded from something unrecognisable.
i.e. singularity
Eternal return is a philosophy, not a theory.
Scientific consensus is that the universe has a beginning, and is therefore not eternal.
It means whatever is not inside the inside.
The original context was existing outside of existence. Can you wrap your head around that? I can't.
According to the Bible, God is spirit that is not material. It is possible that spirit has different attributes than material and I believe God was not created.
Universe is physical material, and it has different attributes that we can observe. We can for example have an empty box and see that material doesn't appear there from nothing. That is why I believe material needs some cause to exist. And this is why I think God and universe are not the same in the requirement of creator.
No it's not. It's simply an error. If something exists, it certainly can't be "outside existence."
Only for one whose perspective is bound by time.
Colt
Well-Known Member
No, the material universe, time, space etc are an "effect", God is the cause. -1 is still a numerical place. God existed from the eternal past before the Zero age.
To me, "material" implies "exists in reality" and "not material" implies "does not exist in reality."
When you talk about "not material" things causing things in the real world, this suggests to me that we're using the words in different ways.
What do you mean by "material"?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
You are agreeing with me using different words.
Darth Vader exists outside of existence.
ie, he exists as a character in a book and not as an actual thing in actual reality.
It's certainly a stupid way to express non-existence - no argument there.
An oxymoron, if you wish.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Who, or what, isn't?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
That would mean that a "cause" took place before time existed.
That's self-contradictory.
An abstract one.
There is no "before" T = 0 just like there is no north of absolute north.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
You confuse measured time with philosophical time.
Time has no beginning .. only that which we measure has a theoretical beginning, by extrapolation.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
So it's just a matter of defining it as such then.
Not a matter of actually knowing it.
One can "define" the unverifiable and unfalsifiable into oblivion.
I see no reason to give that a second of contemplation.
Seems like a giant waste of time and energy.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
What is "philosophical time"? And how do you distinguish it from imaginary time?
It actually does. At T = 0. The start of the space-time continuum.
Time begins when the universe begins. The universe = the space-time continuum.
Colt
Well-Known Member
God created time which is a series of instants discernable by finites. Infinite God transcends time, the time status of God is Absolute. Time is nonexistent in Infinity. God is everywhere and every when.
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