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Does God want everyone to believe in him?

Ingledsva

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Scuba Pete said:
See, even the OP sees your "there ain't no God" mantra as hijacking his thread. I get that you don't have a conscience and that spreading your gospel of "there ain't no God" is paramount, but the question was directed at those who actually believed in God.
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More Bull, and more SLANDER! "I get that you don't have a conscience..."

The thread is in GENERAL RELIGIOUS DEBATES - thus all can reply!

The title of the thread is Does God want everyone to believe in him? Thus again we can all reply, including those of us with the - no proof of God - thus how could that be - replies.

I explained the reason for answering with my no proof of God reply.

Now - I expect you to stop this crap, - and the slander, - ever time you don't like my reply!

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Ingledsva

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
RedDragon94 said:
God never does not reveal himself to a potential follower. Either you are a potential follower because God is revealing himself to you aren't and God is not revealing himself to you.
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Or a "God" isn't revealing itself because it doesn't exist, or perhaps even Deism - a creator who does not intervene in the universe, which as said before, - would make all religions claiming they came from a God, - actually just the writings of men.

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RedDragon94

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
Ingledsva said:
Or a "God" isn't revealing itself because it doesn't exist, or perhaps even Deism - a creator who does not intervene in the universe, which as said before, - would make all religions claiming they came from a God, - actually just the writings of men.

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But if Jesus was a historical figure then that would completely turn all that on it's head. People who don't agree with the position I've presented disagree either because they're not understanding my position fully or they're convicted by what I've said.
 
Ingledsva

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
RedDragon94 said:
But if Jesus was a historical figure then that would completely turn all that on it's head. People who don't agree with the position I've presented disagree either because they're not understanding my position fully or they're convicted by what I've said.
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Actually Jesus can be a historical figure, - without any of the later trinity God stuff that was added to his story.

He only claimed to be the Jewish Messiah - whom was to be a HUMAN from the line of David.

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RedDragon94

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
Ingledsva said:
Actually Jesus can be a historical figure, - without any of the later trinity God stuff that was added to his story.

He only claimed to be the Jewish Messiah - whom was to be a HUMAN from the line of David.

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Yeah well maybe the Jews got it wrong and he's actually fully God and fully man.
 
Ingledsva

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
RedDragon94 said:
Yeah well maybe the Jews got it wrong and he's actually fully God and fully man.
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But then why wouldn't he teach that he was God, or part of a trinity?

These ideas were added later, like the virgin birth story - stolen from Isaiah - which isn't actually about a future Jesus.

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RedDragon94

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
Ingledsva said:
But then why wouldn't he teach that he was God, or part of a trinity?

These ideas were added later, like the virgin birth story - stolen from Isaiah - which isn't actually about a future Jesus.

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What does Matthew chapter 28:19-20 say?

[edit] Maybe it's just that the Jews didn't interpret the passages correctly.
 
Ingledsva

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
RedDragon94 said:
What does Matthew chapter 28:19-20 say?

[edit] Maybe it's just that the Jews didn't interpret the passages correctly.
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This doesn't say Jesus is God or part of a trinity.

Mat 28:19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mat 28:20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway,even unto the end of the world. Amen.

The father is ONE GOD, - the son Jesus is just a son like King David and others whom were called sons of God, - and holy spirit in the Hebrew is God's acting power - not a separate being.

And I think the Jews know their texts and language better then latter Christians.

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Guy Threepwood

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
RedDragon94 said:
It would make sense why certain people never come around to believing in God in this case then. The reason why people never believe in God is simply because he never reveals himself to them, as a result they have no choice but to disbelieve. God could reveal himself to them through people around them but he doesn't. This is partially God's fault and partially the fault of those who claim to be God's servants.

I don't know... What do you guys think?
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free will, believing means nothing if there is no choice- we must be free to be wrong if we chose to
 
muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
RedDragon94 said:
Yeah well maybe the Jews got it wrong and he's actually fully God and fully man.
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Impossible .. half God and half man, maybe ;)

..it doesn't make any sense though .. even if it was somehow correct, there is no reason to abolish the law. God makes the law and Jesus cancels it? No .. that would be mankind responsible for that
 
Ingledsva

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
RedDragon94 said:
Why is the Son capitalized?

Who is the Holy Ghost? Just wondering.
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We capitalize in English. It isn't in the original.

Not a ghost, and not a person. Originally the power of God.

Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

2Sa 7:14 I will be his (King David) father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

Exo 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

1Ch 28:6 And he said unto me, Solomon thy son, he shall build my house and my courts: for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father.

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buddhist

buddhist

Well-Known Member
RedDragon94 said:
It would make sense why certain people never come around to believing in God in this case then. The reason why people never believe in God is simply because he never reveals himself to them, as a result they have no choice but to disbelieve. God could reveal himself to them through people around them but he doesn't. This is partially God's fault and partially the fault of those who claim to be God's servants.

I don't know... What do you guys think?
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Why does a god need people to believe in it, or play hide and seek or "now you see me now you don't"?
 
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