Does God welcome everyone into heaven?

[Thief]

God cannot be jealous because that is a human quality and God is not human.

Thou shall NOT have another god before thee

 

[Thief]

and yeah....He is NOT human

 

[LightofTruth]

I just love that verse....
So do you believe only a 'few' will get to heaven?
If so, then the hundred-dollar question is who are the few?

The few are the faithful who die in Christ.

 

[LightofTruth]

So, when an unbeliever dies today, he goes to the place of torment. When the believer dies he goes to be with the Lord, and is in Heaven, as anywhere Christ will be, will be Heaven.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Are you saying when someone dies he's not dead but alive?

 

[Trailblazer]

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I agree, that is why I would assume that a state of limbo exists, if we go anywhere in the first place. Which I would not assume, what would be the purpose for keeping our souls, either in a Heaven or in a state of limbo for that matter?

I do not know what you would assume a limbo would exist ‘in the first place’ if we went anywhere? Limbo would only exist if there was a question as to what were not worthy of entering heaven, as in Catholic beliefs. Baha’is have no limbo belief.

God does not keep our souls, they simply continue to exist because they are immortal, so that is a ‘property’ of the human soul.

If God wanted us to have a soul (Whatever that might be), I think we would be aware of it, in the same way as we are aware of our brain, our thoughts etc. Why would God hide it from us or not make it obviously clear that we have one.

Some of us are very well aware that we have a soul, because of what we believe. Many people are confused as to what the soul is because of what is in the Bible, which has many contradictory verses. Baha’u’llah was very clear about what the function soul is as well as its eternal destination, although He made it very clear that the nature of the soul is a mystery no mind can ever hope to unravel.

One explanation could be for him to judge us at the end of our life, but what sense does that make, if you think about it. If the soul is what is to be judged for whatever in this life, but we are not ourselves aware or able to perceive or even understand what a soul might be, then the judgement of it and our whole existence here on Earth is completely meaningless.

That my friend is why it is vitally important to be aware of the soul and what the soul is while we are still living in this life. Otherwise any judgment that came down in the afterlife would be wholly unjust. But since the soul is the person himself, the sum total of your personality, even if you do not know that, as long as you are a good person and lead a moral life, you will be fulfilling your purpose in life, which is to acquire good character. However, it helps to know what the soul is and that it lives on because that gives one more motivation to lead a good life.

Therefore you need some sort of afterlife to punish or reward a person for it to make any sense, but also you need humans to be able to "fail/sin" so the blame goes on them and not God.

That is true because if there is no afterlife it really would not matter how you lived this life except that you might fall into the justice system if you led a very immoral life. Humans can fail/sin and the blame does not go on God because we all have free will.

But again, I do not think that God is either good nor evil, because nothing seem to suggest that, and therefore there will be no judgement in the end. And a being capable of creating everything is not incompetent, so assuming that he would create us with faulty behaviours which he wouldn't approve of, would make him exactly that.

I believe God is good, even if there is nothing we can see that seems to suggest that, and I do not think God created us with faulty behaviors. Faulty behaviors are the result of our own choices we make since we have free will to choose between good and evil.

The reason being that free will doesn't really explain anything. Whether we have free will or not, makes no difference, as we wouldn't be able to know the difference anyway.

Those of us who know we have free will are aware that we have choices, and even though we know that even if we cannot choose to do ‘anything’ we want to do, we know we can choose between good and evil.

Like us writing these posts, how would you demonstrate that it was not already decided a long time ago or whether we actually decided it through free will moments before we wrote them?

Free will is not something we can prove we have. If it was decided by anyone it would have to be predestined by God and maybe that is true too. Maybe what we choose to do was predestined by God.

But nothing seems to suggest that, we are made of the exact same stuff that all other animals here on Earth is made of. We function in the same way, we show the same type of behaviour as they do. There is a reasonable explanation for our intelligent (brain). So unless you add a soul we really are not all that different from other animals.

You said it, unless there is a soul. It is the soul that differentiates humans from animals, it is not just that we have a more intelligent brain.

“The human spirit which distinguishes man from the animal is the rational soul, and these two names—the human spirit and the rational soul—designate one thing. This spirit, which in the terminology of the philosophers is the rational soul, embraces all beings, and as far as human ability permits discovers the realities of things and becomes cognizant of their peculiarities and effects, and of the qualities and properties of beings. But the human spirit, unless assisted by the spirit of faith, does not become acquainted with the divine secrets and the heavenly realities. It is like a mirror which, although clear, polished and brilliant, is still in need of light. Until a ray of the sun reflects upon it, it cannot discover the heavenly secrets.” Some Answered Questions, pp. 208-209

Which obviously lead to a lot of questions, first of all, why would there be a need for suffering? Why does it have to be painful for woman to give birth? Why does animals have to eat each other?

There is no logical reason why any of this is needed.

You are right Nimos, it does not seem logical and there are a lot of questions and the need for suffering is the biggest question. It has to be for a reason that we suffer; the two reasons are that suffering is part and parcel of living in a material world and that suffering might be beneficial to us in some way. These can be confirmed by personal experiences because all we have to do is look what causes suffering. For example, we see the economy tank as it is doing now and people lose their jobs and businesses and people suffer, people get a disease like the coronavirus and they suffer. This is all coming from the material world; the spiritual word causes no suffering. However, many people will testify that the suffering helped them grow stronger and become more resilient.

In regards to behaviour, lets assume that you could create beings like God could, without any limits.

Well, God created us the way he did knowing that is how we could fulfill the purpose of our existence, so we have a logical brain and free will. God could have made us with the intention of having complete control over our behavior, but God wanted us to be able to choose and thereby develop our own character.

God does care about us but the only way we can fulfill our purpose is if we can make our own choices and thereby become who we become. God does not have to worry because God knows what the outcomes will be and we will reap what we sow so that is just and fair.

It might be, im purely talking about this from what we can see in the world and what we at least know up until now.

Again why or what would be the purpose of sending anyone to heaven? Think about it using the cat example above... would you throw the cats that murdered some of the others in hell or punish them for doing it, when you made them that way?

But God did not MAKE us that way, God made us in His image so we have the potential to be good. What happened is that we made good or bad choices ‘after’ we were born because we have a free will to choose, and those choices made us who we are.

If you really loved them, you would make it so they had no reason/desire for doing so, and its not unrealistic or even an unreasonable idea, as lot of animals living today on Earth do not murder and kill each other like we do.

I understand the point you are trying to make but if we believe in God we just accept that there is a reason why we have to suffer and it is part of life in this world and that it can help us develop our character. If there was no afterlife it would be totally cruel and unjust, but this life is really only a very small part of our total existence. If we do not believe that we will probably be an atheist or an angry believer. I was once an angry believer, angry at God all the time, wishing I could be an atheist so God would not exist. I still go there at times, namely when I lose a cat.

Depending what your view of heaven is, I would say that no one is living there, as long as you have suffering, there can't be one. At least not in my understanding of it.

There is Heaven on earth for people who turn to God and thus do not suffer even in times of trouble, just don’t count me in because I am not that spiritual.

But lets take a simple question, again assume that you are the Goddess of Cats, and im a Cat. I then ask you, the following. Why did you create Heaven and Hell? What would you answer to that?

I would say that Heaven is for those who lived a moral life, loved God and their neighbor and Hell is for those who failed to do so for whatever reason.

Taking into account what I wrote above, How do you see this being expressed in the world, keep in mind that God loves all humans? (At least I assume he does).

Well , what immediately came to mind is what Jesus said: John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jesus conferred salvation on the individual.

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Baha’is believe that Christ has appeared a second time as Baha’u’llah to bring salvation to the whole world, and that is how God expressed His love for all humans.

“Such is the teaching which God bestoweth on you, a teaching that will deliver you from all manner of doubt and perplexity, and enable you to attain unto salvation in both this world and in the next. He, verily, is the Ever-Forgiving, the Most Bountiful.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 87

“I confess that Thou hast no desire except the regeneration of the whole world, and the establishment of the unity of its peoples, and the salvation of all them that dwell therein.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 243

 

[Trailblazer]

The few are the faithful who die in Christ.

Does that include all of those who call themselves Christians, or will only some of them get to heaven?
If it is not all of them, what would be the criteria used to differentiate between them and who would differentiate, God?

 

[LightofTruth]

Does that include all of those who call themselves Christians, or will only some of them get to heaven?
If it is not all of them, what would be the criteria used to differentiate between them and who would differentiate, God?

A false gospel can save no one. Only the true gospel has the power to save. A person needs to know what the true gospel is and believe it. Then he needs to render the obedience of faith.

 

[MJFlores]

Do you have the answers? If so, please share them with us.

I'm willing to share not on my opinion but from the Bible
but before that i would answer your sets of questions regarding everyone

If God exists/existed would God welcome everyone into heaven as soon as they died, regardless of the kind of life they had lived on earth?

God would not welcome everyone but he wants everyone to go to heaven.
Now let us check this if this conforms with the Bible:

1 Timothy 2:3-5 New International Version (NIV)
This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,

God definitely wants all people to be saved
God wants people to come to a knowledge of the truth
And what is this truth to be learned?
That Christ Jesus is the man and Christ Jesus is the mediator between God and mankind.

Now what do most people believe???
There are many gods or there is no god
Jesus Christ is God and the third person of the Trinity
Jesus Christ is not the mediator between God and mankind
Now how can God our Savior who wants all people to be saved, save these people
When what they believe are contrary to the truth God teaches?

For example, would God welcome a mass murderer into heaven and treat him the same way as a person who had lived a noble life serving others and worshiping God?

Mass murderer or even a murder is wicked thing to do
I believe it deserve death so is the host of many things
Having no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy are also equally wicked
and that is not from my own personal opinion but from what the Bible teaches.

Romans 1:28-32 New International Version (NIV)

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

If you think God would not welcome everyone into heaven why wouldn’t God do that?

Everyone is under God's wrath
God's love is not unconditional
God's love is felt by those who obey him and chosen by him.
If they sinned, they are forgiven if they ask forgiveness.
God chooses not people, not the other way around.
Because everyone sins and sinned - and have become worthless

Romans 3:10-19 New International Version (NIV)
As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
“Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
“Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
ruin and misery mark their ways,
and the way of peace they do not know.”
“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.

But being someone in the eyes of God is another thing.
How will everyone be something to God?
Everyone should look for the truth.
Walk in it.
But the sad thing is almost everyone would say.
We will not walk in it.

Jeremiah 6:16 New International Version (NIV)
This is what the Lord says:

“Stand at the crossroads and look;
ask for the ancient paths,
ask where the good way is, and walk in it,
and you will find rest for your souls.
But you said, ‘We will not walk in it.’

 

[loverofhumanity]

This question is for believers and nonbelievers.

If God exists/existed would God welcome everyone into heaven as soon as they died, regardless of the kind of life they had lived on earth? For example, would God welcome a mass murderer into heaven and treat him the same way as a person who had lived a noble life serving others and worshiping God?

If you think God would welcome everyone into heaven, why would God do that?

If you think God would not welcome everyone into heaven why wouldn’t God do that?

I personally believe that hell and heaven are states of mind and spirit that we create ourselves by our actions and deeds and if our deeds and actions are good and according to what God has decreed then we shall attain a heavenly state but if our actions and deeds are evil and bad then we will attend a hellish state. I believe that this state of heaven and hell is our doing alone. God loves and welcomes all but it is us who create our own state of heaven and health within ourselves and on Earth.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

That sounds kind of harsh. What about people who led very moral lives but did not believe in Jesus as Savior?

Very moral lives. You said yourself that it was a mass murderer you're using as an example.

It's not about belief.

Jesus's disciples at one point try to stop someone who is not one of their disciples from healing (you know, push out the competition). Jesus says something along the lines of, whoever does my work is a part of me.

The Jews believed in Sheol, a sort of universal afterlife. In fact, the story of Lazarus and the rich man, the translation puts the rich man and Lazarus both in Sheol, but their fate is quite different. Mass murderer will be welcomed the same as Mother Theresa. But one of these will be punished.

I don't believe in everlasting punishment. If you did 40 years of bad deeds, it would make sense to suffer only until one's debt is paid off. However, I do believe that many people, due to guilt, don't actually suffer on the same timeline. Grace can also reduce one's sentence. It's like going to prison and either making trouble, or getting time off for good behavior.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Not just the God of Bible but any Abrahamic God. You don't have the choice of not believing.

Mine is from the Christian perspective and my understanding of the Bible.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Did it ever occur to you that the unbelievers do not believe because they see no evidence for God?
From my seven years of posting to atheists day and night, that is what I have discovered.

So it is not that atheists 'don't want God.' They just do not believe God exists because they do not 'see' what you and I see, the evidence that God exists.

So for that you believe that they deserve to go into a Lake of Fire and burn for eternity?

Lord Jesus! How can you believe that a 'loving God' will do that?

Of course it has occurred to me. And I recognize their 'lack of evidence' is their immediate reason for their unbelief. But my studies in the Bible reveal there is a deeper underlying issue there also. For example: Take Cain who killed Able. (Gen. 4:8-14) Did Cain have a problem knowing God existed? No. He talked with God. But Cain wanted nothing to do with God. In (Rev. 6:16) at the Second Coming of Christ, the unbelieving know it is Christ and instead of turning to him for salvation, they hide from Him wanting nothing to do with Him.

We all deserve to go into the Lake of Fire for eternity.

I believe that is what Scripture teaches. (Rev. 20:7-15)

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Why?

The Bible also says that all humans were created equally.

The only not equal status in human life is group status and group control which includes scientific choice, and machine applications.

Extra fall out, is why human life became unequal...and as the Bible was a reviewed book of previous DATA inferred documentation, the study proved both in olden days and then modern times that science had attacked life and the human endured what was said as "going to hell".

If everyone shared the occult phenomena result no scientist would even exist today.

I'm not sure the 'why' you are asking. I explained that this is my understanding of the Bible.

And, I'm not sure where you get your 'equality' from the Bible.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Are you saying when someone dies he's not dead but alive?

Yes. Death is not annihilation and non-existence. It is separation. Physical death is separation of the body from the spirit/soul. Spiritual death is separation of the spirit from God. In either instance the person is still existing and alive.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Nimos]

Just want to remind you that, this is an exercise based on the original question you asked:

If God exists/existed would God welcome everyone into heaven as soon as they died, regardless of the kind of life they had lived on earth?

And me simply going with what I know/aware of, and based on that, reaching the conclusions I do.

That my friend is why it is vitally important to be aware of the soul and what the soul is while we are still living in this life. Otherwise any judgment that came down in the afterlife would be wholly unjust.

Again, as far as I can see there is no such thing as a soul, there are vastly different ideas of what it is suppose to be, depending on who you talk to. Yet no one have be able to demonstrate it in the first place.

So running off with the idea that a soul must exists, could lead to there needing to be a final judgment and an afterlife. Which add two new claims, based on another claim which have not been proven to be true to begin with.

To me, when having to address the original question you asked, this is not really going to work well. As you remember I started by saying that I would throw out all religious ideas that I know of, to start with.

To even begin to talk about a final judgement at this point, is far to early, compared to simply looking at there being a place to go to begin with, and whether that makes sense.

But since the soul is the person himself, the sum total of your personality, even if you do not know that, as long as you are a good person and lead a moral life, you will be fulfilling your purpose in life, which is to acquire good character. However, it helps to know what the soul is and that it lives on because that gives one more motivation to lead a good life.

Again I think you jump the fence here, because obviously the first question one would ask. Is why would we have to need a motivation to lead a good life to begin with?

Assuming God is good, an also embrasses what is good. Then it would make no sense to create something which is not good to begin with. And therefore it makes little sense to start us off with having to be motivated to lead good lives, it would be the normal and only way to do things. Again it would be like you loving cats and rather than create them the way you love them, you would choose to make them in a less complete state, where you don't really love them, but rather give them the chance of becoming what you love. From a logical point of view it makes no sense to do something like that.

The only explanation for why you would choose to make cats like that, would be if you were not really good and therefore not necessarily embrasse what is good either. Because you being the creator and cats not existing unless you make them in the first place, would leave you in an extremely strange position, of deciding to create something that you don't fully love to begin with.

So assuming that you wouldn't, just as no one would decide to paint their house purple, if they hated that color. Why would you need a heaven for the cats to go, when you could put them there to begin with? Which then leads to why would you need to judge them when they died, if they had to die in the first place?

If you demanded from the cats, that they would have to worship you so you could save them, what does that say about you as a God? Having ultimate power over everything and then demanding, that something you love have to earn your love in return? Seriously what madness would that be?

Why not, if you loved them so much, not go and live with them and take care of them, so they show you love because they love you for who you are, rather than demanding and threaten them to do it, and if they don't you will punish them. One can simply not argue that we are talking about love or being good in such case. It is the exact opposite.

Therefore throwing in the example of Jesus being sacrificed for our sins, as it being an expression of love for us, is madness. For the very same reasons as above. Lets try to apply that to the cats, so you create cats, which are capable of behaviours that you disagree with, so much in fact that you are willing to kill them for it, which makes no sense to begin with, but lets go with it.
But your hope/desire is that they or at least some of them will behave in a way you like, so you will reward those who does. That is pretty much that same as you giving food to the cats that like to be cuddled by you and those that choose to be a bit more private you punish by not feeding. Now at some point you are fed up by the cats that won't be cuddled, so to fix this behaviour, you come up with a clever plan. You want to send down your number one cat, most loving one, to be killed by the private cats, because that will remove their bad behaviour or proof to them, that you love them, if they just changes their behaviour and prefer to be cuddled instead.

Furthermore you make them aware that if they follow the example of this special cat, that they will be rewarded in something called Heaven, where they get a lot of food and are happy all the time. But if they don't you will punish them even more severely than you already have done up until now.

So having gone from simply making cats that you love to begin with and that would love to be with you due to who you are, you have now turned into something that punish, sacrifice and tries to manipulate cats, through either rewarding them or hurting them.
And at no point during all this, you think to yourself that maybe you screwed up here and maybe the cats doesn't really deserve to be treated like this. This is no longer about love or being good to cats, its simply about you and how you want to be worshipped, because you demand it and you want it, one way or another.

That is true because if there is no afterlife it really would not matter how you lived this life except that you might fall into the justice system if you led a very immoral life. Humans can fail/sin and the blame does not go on God because we all have free will.

The free will argument makes no different. The cats would not exists unless you have created them to begin with. The assumption that free will is good, is only relevant if you even know what it is. And honestly I don't think a normal cat or animal today know what free will is. Humans does, because of our brains and intelligence. Yet that is no excuse, for why God would desire us to have it. And as you said, the brain is not what makes us special, its our soul. Which again we can't demonstrate to exist.

But regardless of that, if our intelligence is not important in all this, then free will is neither. Because even understanding the idea or concept of free will, requires intelligence.

Furthermore, look at it purely from a logical point of view. Imagine you lived the most happy live you could imagine, everyday you wake up and are filled with joy.... what differences does it make whether you have free will or not? Why would you care?

Well, God created us the way he did knowing that is how we could fulfill the purpose of our existence, so we have a logical brain and free will. God could have made us with the intention of having complete control over our behavior, but God wanted us to be able to choose and thereby develop our own character.

Yes but he could do that, while still making us behave exactly as he wanted us to. Again you have a lot of cats and you would probably agree that each of them have their own personality. So even though they don't know what free will is, what the idea of good and evil is, they behave in their own way. The idea of free will, good and evil is an illusion and a concept, which have little meaning unless you are intelligent enough to understand what it is.

Had we not been as intelligent as we are, we would be none the wiser than a cat today. So from the perspective of God creating us this way, really doesn't make a lot of sense. Except if we turn the plate around, and look at it from our own perspective and that God was created by us and not the other way around. Then everything seems to fit rather well.

We want final judgement, because it gives us a sense of fairness in the world, because we understand the concept of suffering, good and evil. So putting someone above us, which is so much more powerful than we can ever be, no one is free or can hide from him. And therefore despite how much power a human have, it will never even come close to that of a God. And therefore judgement is equal for everyone. Heaven and hell as a concept make sense, because again its a way to encourage people to behave in certain ways, if they want to be rewarded or fear the punishment.

But from a God's perspective, none of it makes any sense.

 

[cataway]

God would not welcome everyone but he wants everyone to go to heaven.
Now let us check this if this conforms with the Bible:

1 Timothy 2:3-5 New International Version (NIV)
This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,

God definitely wants all people to be saved
God wants people to come to a knowledge of the truth
And what is this truth to be learned?
That Christ Jesus is the man and Christ Jesus is the mediator between God and mankind.

you speak of saving people .or people being saved .
saved from what ? ultimately its to be saved from death . As it is now , death is the enemy ! it is staking you , and will have you . there are a thousand ways to die. but only one way to get that life back. if not for the resurrection ,that has been promised by Jesus , no one , no one . would ever be saved from death .

 

[MJFlores]

you speak of saving people .or people being saved .
saved from what ? ultimately its to be saved from death . As it is now , death is the enemy ! it is staking you , and will have you . there are a thousand ways to die. but only one way to get that life back. if not for the resurrection ,that has been promised by Jesus , no one , no one . would ever be saved from death .

Save from what, you asked?
Let the Bible answer because this is our basis of faith.

2 Peter 3:7-12 New International Version (NIV)
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

I believe people need saving from the wrath of God which will definitely come
Those who are dead can do nothing at least they won't witness this when it happens
Those who are dead are asleep, not even aware that today 4 Billion people are on lockdown or what the heck COVID 19 is about - that includes my brother and mother, my two grandfathers and two grandmothers, my aunts and uncles - they are lucky they are unaware because they are dead.

But there will be a day of reckoning - and that is the Day of Judgement.
It would be a sad and gloomy day for a lot of people and a joyful day for some who followed and loved the truth.
So who would be the majority of the unlucky ones?
Again from the Bible....

Revelation 14:9-10 New International Version (NIV)
A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

Does this ring a bell???

 

[MJFlores]

Earth was eventually getting saved by the asteroid wandering star saviour, out of space cooling of Sun radiation blasting. Earth was cooling its atmospheric attack.

Science virtually took Earth back into the Moses era of historic Earth attack/gas stated by constant nuclear removal of natural historic God cold radiation mass.

 

[cataway]

Save from what, you asked?
Let the Bible answer because this is our basis of faith.

2 Peter 3:7-12 New International Version (NIV)
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

I believe people need saving from the wrath of God which will definitely come
Those who are dead can do nothing at least they won't witness this when it happens
Those who are dead are asleep, not even aware that today 4 Billion people are on lockdown or what the heck COVID 19 is about - that includes my brother and mother, my two grandfathers and two grandmothers, my aunts and uncles - they are lucky they are unaware because they are dead.

But there will be a day of reckoning - and that is the Day of Judgement.
It would be a sad and gloomy day for a lot of people and a joyful day for some who followed and loved the truth.
So who would be the majority of the unlucky ones?
Again from the Bible....

Revelation 14:9-10 New International Version (NIV)
A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

Does this ring a bell???

i hope you realize you backed up what i was saying to you

 

[MJFlores]

i hope you realize you backed up what i was saying to you

Facts:

The dead are asleep on their graves

The living know they are going to die

There are only 3 people who were taken up to heaven
Enoch, Elijah, and the Lord Jesus Christ

Heaven looks like a cube

The fiery hell is yet to be made
It is called the second death - a lot of people are going be there
The devil will be there too and so is death and the false prophet
And that is God's wrath people should avoid

Revelation 14:10-12 New International Version (NIV)
they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

Revelation 20:9-10 New International Version (NIV)
They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


I bet JWs missed this
I have a lessee who is JW and he did missed this one.
We don't need to explain this because it is really self explanatory
Explaining that God is all loving and all merciful as an excuse not to see this is removing the words of God written in the Bible. It is written and we could do nothing more but to accept this holy truth.
There will be a place of punishment where there is no rest day or night, forever and ever.