Does Identity Politics Promote Tribalism and the Fracturing of Society?

[Revoltingest]

Yes.

I gave that a <useful> rating cuz no one else had.
Tribalism bad.
Make brain myopic, hostile, & prejudiced.

 

[Cooky]

I gave that a <useful> rating cuz no one else had.
Tribalism bad.
Make brain myopic, hostile, & prejudiced.

That's true. Our social environment really does cause the nerves in our brains to make new connections.

...Tribalism does bad things to us.

 

[Stevicus]

Do you think identity politics were at play in the situation that led up to the Civil War? I personally don't know enough about it, but I have "heard" that family members were divided, and actually fought on different sides... I don't know if that's true.

...If it is true, then that would cause me to look deeper into other major causes of nation-failure, such as the Persian and Roman Empire collapses, to see if there was a major "identity politics" problem that existed there.

I think identity politics was likely a factor in the Civil War, as the concept has existed throughout much of our history. It was certainly an issue at the time of America's founding.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's true. Our social environment really does cause the nerves in our brains to make new connections.

...Tribalism does bad things to us.

And lest anyone be confused, I don't oppose tribadism.

 

[epronovost]

When Smith chooses their cabinet significantly on the basis of their political identities, that's quite another thing.

That practice has a different name. It's simply called politics. People's nomination in cabinets are often used to send political messages to voters. Deciding for quotas of representation is to send a message of inclusivity and sensibility toward certain sub-groups that constitute a society.

 

[epronovost]

That seems a rather bold assumption, to state that all people of a given minority group all share the same experience. That's in direct conflict with the principle of judging people as individuals, not as a members of group.

Welcome to the wonderful world of humans where people are judge as often on how they look like and what we think they are instead of actually who they are. What culture you hail from, your gender, your handicap status, your age, your sexual orientation all have an impact on your identity, your life experience and thus your political views.

Identity politics is really nothing new. It's been practiced in the U.S. for centuries. A few decades ago, there were those who pushed against it and tried to seek out a new and different way. Martin Luther King inspired many people with his ideals of judging people by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin. It appeared that society was heading more and more in that direction until the late 80s/early 90s, when someone decided it was time to end that trend and revert back to identity politics - although it had a slightly different twist designed to dupe white liberals into thinking that it was a good thing.

You have no idea of what you are talking about.

Martin Luther King and the Civic Right movement for is a perfect example of identity politics. It's a mode of organisation and a political agenda based on the experience of a form of oppression (in his case segregation and anti-black terrorism) to set political priorities and political agendas. That's what identity politics is. It's not about personnal virtues or ''treating people all equally''. It's a consequences of people not being equal and belonging to different sub-groups with different life experience and thus problems.

 

[Sunstone]

That practice has a different name. It's called politics.

Whatever. I'm not even close to being lured into an argument over semantics with you. Call it what you will.

 

[epronovost]

Whatever. I'm not even close to being lured into an argument over semantics with you. Call it what you will.

Sementics is important. When you say things people can understand other things and specialists mean another. That's why if you use the term virus to describe a bacterial infection can lead to terrible consequences. The same goes for the term ''identity politics''.

 

[Sunstone]

Sementics is important. When you say things people can understand other things and specialists mean another. That's why if you use the term virus to describe a bacterial infection can lead to terrible consequences. The same goes for the term ''identity politics''.

Please don't patronize me. It says more about you than it says about me.

You were pettifogging. Plain and simple.

 

[Audie]

No, since identity politics is a desciptive framework not a prescriptive political position or ideology.

It states that people, more specifically oppressed minorities, develop a political agenda, views, ideologies and organisation based on their particular experience.

Saying that identity politics are promoting tribalism and fracturing societies basically means that analysing society and politics based on the fact that minorities and other oppressed people like the poors or handicap people form their political identities and agenda largelly based on their experience as a member of such group is profoundly moronic. What's "facturing society" is that their lives and experiences are different than others (and from one another) not that they react to that difference by developping different ideas on politics.

I will tell you what moronic is, "...minorities and other
oppressed...".

See if you can figure out why.

 

[Audie]

I think identity politics was a contrivance to keep the lower classes divided against each other.

There may be an element of that but you are going full conspiracy theory.

 

[Stevicus]

Welcome to the wonderful world of humans where people are judge as often on how they look like and what we think they are instead of actually who they are.

Some people call that "bigotry" and "racism." While many in this "wonderful world of humans" have been trying to steer our society away from such mindsets and ways of thinking, there still seems to be great resistance and a strong desire to preserve such ways of thinking.

What culture you hail from, your gender, your handicap status, your age, your sexual orientation all have an impact on your identity, your life experience and thus your political views.

All of these factors vary from individual to individual, including many other factors. People can still have vastly different political views, even if they hail from the same "identity."

And it's not really a matter of "what we think they are" based on that identity. Identity politics is more a matter of "what we think they're supposed to be."

You have no idea of what you are talking about.

Opinion noted.

Martin Luther King and the Civic Right movement for is a perfect example of identity politics. It's a mode of organisation and a political agenda based on the experience of a form of oppression (in his case segregation and anti-black terrorism) to set political priorities and political agendas. That's what identity politics is. It's not about personnal virtues or ''treating people all equally''. It's a consequences of people not being equal and belonging to different sub-groups with different life experience and thus problems.

Identity politics is about grouping people, categorizing people, and judging people according certain external observations, such as race, culture, nationality and making assumptions about what they value and what they want. That idea was prevalent in the areas where Martin Luther King protested and opposed the ways of thinking that many people embraced.

 

[Stevicus]

There may be an element of that but you are going full conspiracy theory.

Just because someone observes malfeasance or dishonesty in politics, it doesn't follow that someone is positing a conspiracy theory.

I don't believe that the fear of possibly being labeled a "conspiracy theorist" should inhibit or quash any righteous criticisms of political ideas or the methods by which society is governed.

 

[PureX]

Does identity politics promote tribalism and the fracturing of society?

That's a chicken/egg question, as they are essentially the same thing in different forms.

 

[Audie]

Just because someone observes malfeasance or dishonesty in politics, it doesn't follow that someone is positing a conspiracy theory.

I don't believe that the fear of possibly being labeled a "conspiracy theorist" should inhibit or quash any righteous criticisms of political ideas or the methods by which society is governed.

Give it a little time. Maybe dont use "just because"
to wall off the element of truth,
for lo, "just because" is not something I do.

 

[Audie]

That's a chicken/egg question, as they are essentially the same thing in different forms.

Perhaps you could define identity politics for us ?

 

[Audie]

Sementics is important. When you say things people can understand other things and specialists mean another. That's why if you use the term virus to describe a bacterial infection can lead to terrible consequences. The same goes for the term ''identity politics''.

Identity politics is a vague term well adapted to semantic games.
Lest you plunge further, it would be well for you to state clearly what YOU mean by the terrm.

 

[Revoltingest]

Identity politics is a vague term well adapted to semantic games.
Lest you plunge further, it would be well for you to state clearly what YOU mean by the terrm.

I propose a standard....
Identity politics - Wikipedia
Excerpted....
Identity politics is a term that describes a political approach wherein people of a particular religion, race, social background, class or other identifying factor develop political agendas and organize based upon the interlocking systems of oppression that affect their lives and come from their various identities. Identity politics centers the lived experiences of those facing various systems of oppression to better understand the ways in which racial, economic, gender, and other forms of oppression are linked and to ensure that political agendas and political actions arising out of identity politics leave no one behind.[1][2][3]

The term was coined by the Combahee River Collective in 1977.[4] The collective group of women saw identity politics as an analysis that introduced opportunity for Black women to be actively involved in politics, while simultaneously acting as a tool to authenticate Black women's personal experiences.[5] It took on widespread usage in the early 1980s, and in the ensuing decades has been employed in myriad cases with radically different connotations dependent upon the term's context.[6][7] It has gained currency with the emergence of social activism,[clarification needed] manifesting in various dialogues within the feminist, American civil rights, and LGBT movements, as well as multiple nationalist and postcolonial organizations.[8][9]


On 2nd thought, I don't like my standard.
The term doesn't appear to be used that way anymore.

 

[Audie]

I propose a standard....
Identity politics - Wikipedia
Excerpted....
Identity politics is a term that describes a political approach wherein people of a particular religion, race, social background, class or other identifying factor develop political agendas and organize based upon the interlocking systems of oppression that affect their lives and come from their various identities. Identity politics centers the lived experiences of those facing various systems of oppression to better understand the ways in which racial, economic, gender, and other forms of oppression are linked and to ensure that political agendas and political actions arising out of identity politics leave no one behind.[1][2][3]

The term was coined by the Combahee River Collective in 1977.[4] The collective group of women saw identity politics as an analysis that introduced opportunity for Black women to be actively involved in politics, while simultaneously acting as a tool to authenticate Black women's personal experiences.[5] It took on widespread usage in the early 1980s, and in the ensuing decades has been employed in myriad cases with radically different connotations dependent upon the term's context.[6][7] It has gained currency with the emergence of social activism,[clarification needed] manifesting in various dialogues within the feminist, American civil rights, and LGBT movements, as well as multiple nationalist and postcolonial organizations.[8][9]

I looked a bit myself. It appears hard to define without the author indulging in their own ideology.

Do you think "oppression " is an essential
element ?

 

[Stevicus]

Give it a little time. Maybe dont use "just because"
to wall off the element of truth,
for lo, "just because is not something I do.

Maybe so. I just look at life and call it as I see it. If someone presents an idea or proposition to me, then my first question would usually be, "Why do they want me to believe this?"