Does Islam Need the Sword to Spread?

[tariqkhwaja]

To spread what ? Love ? or Peace? tell me?

To spread love, peace, i.e. Islam.

 

[nameless]

To spread love, peace, i.e. Islam.

now love and peace in pakistan and afghanistan?

 

[tariqkhwaja]

Muslims don't follow Islam. Don't blame Islam for that.

Pakistan actively persecutes the true Islamic community of the world, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Don't blame Islam for that. Blame the people. And of course the people suffer as a result. Same is true for Afghanistan which was first to martyr members of our community. Afghanistan is a land fallen in Allah's eyes.

 

[YmirGF]

Muslims don't follow Islam. Don't blame Islam for that.

But that begs the question, "If Islam is the perfect religion, then why have so many Muslims, over the last 1400 years, repeatedly misunderstood its teachings?"

Pakistan actively persecutes the true Islamic community of the world, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Don't blame Islam for that. Blame the people. And of course the people suffer as a result. Same is true for Afghanistan which was first to martyr members of our community. Afghanistan is a land fallen in Allah's eyes.

So, in effect, 99.9% of Muslims who are not Ahmadiyya Muslims are not true Muslims. That doesn't exactly add to your credibility.

To get back to the OP, did Islam need the sword to spread? As I have said, repeatedly, no - it did not, however, once your Prophet had enough followers that simple truth did not stop them from taking up the sword to fight any who opposed them. So, again, Islam did not NEED the sword to spread but it used the sword anyway.

 

[tariqkhwaja]

But that begs the question, "If Islam is the perfect religion, then why have so many Muslims, over the last 1400 years, repeatedly misunderstood its teachings?"

Because humans tend to do that. It can be safely said that during the first 30 years after the death of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) Islam was generally speaking followed correctly. It was met, following that, with steady decline. There were stars and those continued to shine but the general trend was that of increasing ignorance. Such is the case in the history of religions that as the time of the Prophet goes away so people move towards ignorance.
Today the weak state of Islam is in front of all to see.

So, in effect, 99.9% of Muslims who are not Ahmadiyya Muslims are not true Muslims. That doesn't exactly add to your credibility.

Well not 99.9% ... I am optimist it is far less percentage.

In any case God is with Islam and so He raised within Islam a Prophet of God by the name of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, the Promised Messiah and Mahdi to reverse the weakening state of affairs of this religion. The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community defends Islam the world over with arguments and more importantly supplicates to God for assistance. And a drop of God's blessings has created an ocean for us.

The very sad state of Islam and the promise that God is with Islam further adds to the community's credibility because the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community represents the resergence of Islam. Unlike other "dead" religions Islam is a live religion still Divinely supported.

The community aims to do so by spreading the truth of Islam with the sword of love. The community proves by the increase in its own followers that Islam does not and never did need the sword to spread.

 

[nameless]

Muslims don't follow Islam. Don't blame Islam for that.

Pakistan actively persecutes the true Islamic community of the world, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Don't blame Islam for that. Blame the people.

why the situation is better(compared to pakistan) in their neighbour nation (india)?, the people and culture is almost the same ...

And if Muslims in pakistan persecutes true Islamic community, imagine the situation of non-muslim infidels under the mughal rule that happened in the past.

 

[chazz]

[ Dead Sea Scrolls ]

Chapter 2 : Verse 2
And it shall come to pass in the end of days, that the mountain of HaShem'S house shall be established as the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

 

[tariqkhwaja]

why the situation is better(compared to pakistan) in their neighbour nation (india)?, the people and culture is almost the same ...

And if Muslims in pakistan persecutes true Islamic community, imagine the situation of non-muslim infidels under the mughal rule that happened in the past.

Because Hindus in India generally chose to go against their religious teachings and did not implement a caste system and adopted secularism and democracy ... something that Hinduism did not promote.

On the other hand Muslims in Pakistan chose to let go of Islam and adopt extremism and forgo secularism and use the threat of the gun to protect Islam and adopted a caste system so to speak that Islam never promoted.

 

[nameless]

Because Hindus in India generally chose to go against their religious teachings and did not implement a caste system and adopted secularism and democracy ... something that Hinduism did not promote.

On the other hand Muslims in Pakistan chose to let go of Islam and adopt extremism and forgo secularism and use the threat of the gun to protect Islam and adopted a caste system so to speak that Islam never promoted.

:bow: lol, this is exactly what i wanted you to say :bow:
definitely you are a true muslim.

 

[Bismillah]

Islam was a dynamic religious and political movement whose appearence threatened those in power. Banu Abd Shams co opted the Querayshi elite to take swift and brutal stance against Islam since the beginning of the religion for 23 years and culminating in total war against Medina after the Hijra. The Queraysh and their Jewish allies were the first, followed by Banu Thaqif and Hawan, and then followed by the Sassanids and Byzantines.

Islam was challenged and attacked on every level and were it not under the adept political leadership of the Prophet I have no doubt that the religion would have been quashed and the idols would have been reinstated in the Kaaba.

Anyone doubting this historically valid claim is both blind and mislead.

 

[Madhuri]

Because Hindus in India generally chose to go against their religious teachings and did not implement a caste system and adopted secularism and democracy ... something that Hinduism did not promote.

Wow, you might want to study up on this. You are almost completely mistaken.

 

[Madhuri]

Does anybody know much about Balinese history? All I know is general information regarding the escape of Hindus to Bali due to the rise of Islam in Indonesia. Apparently they fled to avoid conversion. Were people being forced to convert in Indonesia?

 

[Bismillah]

The decline of the Majapahit Empire was due to external and internal influences, as seen in the cyclical history of countless Empires. The Muslim Chinese Admiral Zeng He established several Muslim and Arab trading posts. They also lost influence on the Mallaca Strait a vital economic waterway as well as the important city Sumatra. It was during this period of decline that Prince Kertabhumi revolted against the ruling king of Majapahit. Given these factors the capital was moven further inland to Daha and eventually the prince was defeated. However this led to war between Daha and the Sultanate of Damak, a Muslim fiefdom of the Majapahit, who were desendents of Kertabhumi. Demak eventually won the conflict and the ruling class of the Majapahit (the royalty, nobility, courtesans, priests etc.) fled to Bali which became independent with the break up of the Majapahit and one of the last Hindu majority states.

 

[tariqkhwaja]

:bow: lol, this is exactly what i wanted you to say :bow:
definitely you are a true muslim.

Please ... no bows. I am only a human.

Islam was a dynamic religious and political movement whose appearence threatened those in power. Banu Abd Shams co opted the Querayshi elite to take swift and brutal stance against Islam since the beginning of the religion for 23 years and culminating in total war against Medina after the Hijra. The Queraysh and their Jewish allies were the first, followed by Banu Thaqif and Hawan, and then followed by the Sassanids and Byzantines.

Islam was challenged and attacked on every level and were it not under the adept political leadership of the Prophet I have no doubt that the religion would have been quashed and the idols would have been reinstated in the Kaaba.

Anyone doubting this historically valid claim is both blind and mislead.

Islam was not and never a political movement. Rather religion and politics have little to do with each other. Nor was our Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) a politican. He did not seek nor wanted wordly power. He was not a politician because the principle of politicians is power.

For very early in his preaching he was offered women, power, and all in return for leaving the religion he was preaching. And he said that if the Sun were put on his right hand and the moon on his left still he would not leave the preaching of Islam.

Islam's victory was only and only God's blessing. The political strategizing of an unlettered man was not the real reason.

 

[Mark2020]

Islam's victory was only and only God's blessing.

Wasn't God's blessing enough?

 

[chazz]

Answer is yes, if this post is anything to go by, and I don't believe the perpretators are all terrorists, but just common people that follow Islam

While Mosques flourish in christian world including Mega Mosques; Christian Churches perish in Muslim World.
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DHAKA, Bangladesh (Compass Direct News) — Muslim fundamentalists in a village 192 kilometers (119 miles) north of the capital have threatened to kill a pastor as part of an effort to keep his church from constructing a church
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JATINANGOR, INDONESIA (Worthy News)– Muslims of the Islamic Defender Front aided by local officials recently shut down a Protestant church in Jatinangor on rumors that the church was a haven for newly baptised Christians.
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KARACHI, PAKISTAN (BosNewsLife) — A tense calm returned Tuesday, July 15, to the outskirts of Pakistan's largest city, Karachi, after several Christians, including a pastor, were injured when Muslim militants stormed a Protestant church during a prayer service
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(Compass Direct News) — Unidentified assailants hurled six Molotov cocktails at a Protestant place of worship in western Turkey last Saturday (November 4), breaking windows and inflicting minor damages on the exterior of the building.
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JAKARTA, January 12 (Compass) — Muslim groups are taking advantage of a document issued by the Indonesian government to close several existing churches and prevent the building of new churches in Jakarta. Letter of Decision No. 137, issued in 2002, allows for churches in the Jakarta area to be closed down — even if they have the required government permit — should people in the surrounding community object to their existence or location.
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Church firebombed in Egypt after "opposition from Muslim neighbors, The Coptic Church of Saint Paul and Saint Peter in the town of Shebin el Kom, 60 kilometers northwest of Cairo.
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Egyptian officials bow to Islamic pressure to keep Orthodox building closed. The Church of the Virgin Mary and St. Abraam in Ain Shams.
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Herewith is the list of attacks on Christian Churches in Indonesia of last year. sorry but the list is very long, so I have just included the amount of churches total 46.

 

[ohhcuppycakee]

Yes, Islam was spread by trade and also by the sword. So was Buddhism and Christianity. I don't see why people think it is something unique to Islam, lol. Not saying it's right, it's just history.

 

[chazz]

Yes, all you say is in the ages past, but what I said is NOW modern times

 

[Mark2020]

Church firebombed in Egypt after "opposition from Muslim neighbors, The Coptic Church of Saint Paul and Saint Peter in the town of Shebin el Kom, 60 kilometers northwest of Cairo.
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Egyptian officials bow to Islamic pressure to keep Orthodox building closed. The Church of the Virgin Mary and St. Abraam in Ain Shams.

I think if you check the news for what happens in Egypt now you'll see much more than that.
Some churches are burnt or destroyed. Police and army do nothing...
Christian protesters are run over by police and military vehicles, or even shot dead.

Coptic Christian Protesters Run Over By Egyptian Military Tanks | Video | TheBlaze.com

http://www.aina.org/news/20111010003621.htm

 

[nameless]

So was Buddhism

which parts of the world?